The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger
The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger
your president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakThe Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger
he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.
why is it okay for your side to cheat?
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Originally Posted by Walter SobchakThe Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger
Remove the word "falsely" and your comment is correct.
Bin Laden warned in 2010 letter that Biden would ‘lead US into crisis’
https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/bin-la...s-into-crisis/
:lol2
Wondering how Druff would spin to blame Trump’s failure in massively contributing to this crisis on Joe Biden.
https://youtu.be/O034MK2i4ck
I agree, Dwai. Biden's obvious decline should be a major concern for us all. His lapses make me cringe. The border issue should not be so contentious at this point. We cannot allow vast numbers of unknown people into the country illegally. And we cant allow an inhumane situation at the border to linger on forever. It seems like it should be a very simple issue for the government to solve but the bureaucracy and bickering cause nothing but chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiyour president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.
why is it okay for your side to cheat?
Devastating proof provided by a former aide to Mike Pence that Team Trump is responsible for a huge aspect of why so many of our Afghan allies are stuck over in this crisis. Bottom line? Trump’s golden boy fellow white nationalist xenophobe Steven Miller lead the dismantling/sabotage with the Trump administration of the special visa process meant to allow those allies to get asylum in the US.
https://youtu.be/88R5aLuz97Q
And Druff has repeatedly expressed how he liked the immigration policies advocated by Stephen Miller. So, I’m wondering how he’s going to try to spin THIS to be Biden’s fault.
i was curious about af copper rights the chicoms outbid phelps dodge for around 2011. 0.0 copper produced unless we count the output of six men, 2 shovels and 1 wheelbarrow. rights required building elec generation for the mine, ore processing and surrounding villages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-...n-afghanistan/ tl dr not enough coal nearby to create electricity. lack of phosphate. chicom wanted renegotiation. taliban might demand some small $$. notice the dry river running through the compound and down the pass. not always dry.
Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?
There are two issues here:
1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.
2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.
It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.
LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.
The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
You are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.
Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.
I dont think any senior official would accept assignment to Kabul at this point. The grunts are there. Maybe 1 general? You're right, the situation is FUBAR and should have been avoided. In the end, the brunt of the blame has to be on the Afghan people themselves. For better or worse, we tried there. I'm sure there was a lot of God's work being done by the Americans for the Afghans. They had all that time to build a civil society and they failed. The president fled the country and the troops decided what they had to fight for wasnt worth it. I think the marines will be the last ones there, as they should be and those motherfuckers are gonna get the last of those out who need to come out, God willing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SanlmarYou are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978
Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.
Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.
That’s excuse making.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978I dont think any senior official would accept assignment to Kabul at this point. The grunts are there. Maybe 1 general? You're right, the situation is FUBAR and should have been avoided. In the end, the brunt of the blame has to be on the Afghan people themselves. For better or worse, we tried there. I'm sure there was a lot of God's work being done by the Americans for the Afghans. They had all that time to build a civil society and they failed. The president fled the country and the troops decided what they had to fight for wasnt worth it. I think the marines will be the last ones there, as they should be and those motherfuckers are gonna get the last of those out who need to come out, God willing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
We were there solely to assert American interests. If you accept the original stated reason at face value we were there for OUR national security.
We weren’t fighting on behalf of ex president Karzi or the people. We weren’t coming in as a white knight. This isn’t on the Afghan people.
Russia had their interests the first time around. We then had ours. Stop with the it’s on them BS.
Maybe we thought we could single handedly try to change the Taliban’s behavior through extinction or something.
After a certain point…. when the numbers approached a billion dollars a day it becomes a military industrial complex perpetual motion machine. I’ll give the Pentagon an out by saying it was fought poorly cause there really isn’t any legit reason to be there. I’m being generous. The military intelligence toward the end was f’ing wildly wrong. They misread the situation and lost really big.
There is a poetic justice to Biden, who was originally in support of the Bush Cheney nonsense, getting crucified in the end.
Kamala Harris political future is finished too. Nowhere to be seen when there is the Taliban women’s issue. She ran when things got hot.
Politicians are a dime a dozen. No tears. These two are nothing special.
Nobody is doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dwaiyour president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.
why is it okay for your side to cheat?
FFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Originally Posted by SanlmarYou are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978
Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.
Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.
The reason no senior official is on site relates to the century old a captain going down with the ship mentality. It is decades old dignity and it simply does not exist anymore.
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Originally Posted by SanlmarThat’s excuse making.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978
We were there solely to assert American interests. If you accept the original stated reason at face value we were there for OUR national security.
We weren’t fighting on behalf of ex president Karzi or the people. We weren’t coming in as a white knight. This isn’t on the Afghan people.
Russia had their interests the first time around. We then had ours. Stop with the it’s on them BS.
Maybe we thought we could single handedly try to change the Taliban’s behavior through extinction or something.
A valid point of view, for sure. I guess I just dont accept the original stated reason of us being there for our national security only all these years after OBL was killed. There was mission creep. It almost doesnt even matter who is to blame now; its all over except the evacuation. The marines are going to get everyone out. I'm fairly sure their motto says something to that effect. I think theyll need to fight their way out from helicopters to do so but I have faith in those boys and girls to do what has to be done. I am thinking of them and wishing them all of God's blessings every day.
After a certain point…. when the numbers approached a billion dollars a day it becomes a military industrial complex perpetual motion machine. I’ll give the Pentagon an out by saying it was fought poorly cause there really isn’t any legit reason to be there. I’m being generous. The military intelligence toward the end was f’ing wildly wrong. They misread the situation and lost really big.
There is a poetic justice to Biden, who was originally in support of the Bush Cheney nonsense, getting crucified in the end.
Kamala Harris political future is finished too. Nowhere to be seen when there is the Taliban women’s issue. She ran when things got hot.
Politicians are a dime a dozen. No tears. These two are nothing special.
A valid point of view, for sure. I guess I just dont accept the original stated reason of us being there for our national security only all these years after OBL was killed. There was mission creep. It almost doesnt even matter who is to blame now; its all over except the evacuation. The marines are going to get everyone out. I'm fairly sure their motto says something to that effect. I think theyll need to fight their way out from helicopters to do so but I have faith in those boys and girls to do what has to be done. I am thinking of them and wishing them all of God's blessings every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by country978Quote:
Originally Posted by Sanlmar
What can you say about a country that removes troops before removing its citizens. That’s what happens when you elect a senile president and security chief hired on the color of his skin.
This is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadlyFFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.
Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...
Trump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThe withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.
Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...
US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.
The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.
So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.
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Originally Posted by gimmickTrump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.
The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.
So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.
Sure, Blame Trump. Biden is directly responsible for the execution of the widhdrawal- not Trump. Get an new gimmick . This one is not aging well.
Trump didn’t require as part of the deal that they let us pull out in an orderly fashion and take our people with us. He’s such a great deal maker, I don’t know how that slipped by him.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickTrump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.
The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.
So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.
I can’t blame Trump. I can be pretty sure he’d have fucked it up as he fucked up anything that involved complexity like a withdrawal, but if I inherit your shit plan and don’t alter it, I’m just as dumb if not dumber.
Someone like Trump might have been more useful on 9/11 than Bush. Would be hard to be worse than Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz. Might have actually thrived in that spot.
It would have been straight tough guy populist posturing where he doesn’t know what he’s babbling about, but being absolutely crazy enough to nuke you kind of works with some Stone Age saber rattling only understand the sword crowd.
It’s possible he starts WW3, but it’s also possible they hand over Taliban leaders knowing he’s crazy enough to nuke them if they’re worried he might actually start turning loved ones and mosques into mushroom clouds. Was always going to be interesting if Trump found himself in one of those spots. Scary, as he’d most likely fuck it up, but it might have worked. It’s also possible we didn’t have many issues because being stone cold crazy was possibly his most positive attribute as a president in that arena.
can you faggot cucklords make another political thread this was about shaming sonatine and then slowly winding into a dave season finale thread while we discussed polenta
You just made yourself a huge black idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter SobchakThis is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
We can always count on you to make it racial.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthisYou just made yourself a huge black idiot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak
I read this and I think, “in the past 10 years this guy demonstrated far more passion about the trans woman issue than Afghanistan.”Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan DruffThe withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by MumblesBadly
Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.
Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...
Which put you squarely in the middle of everyone else on your board save 3 or 4. We always hope for better from you though.
So please continue your Afghan silence
My previous post was mostly about why people blame Trump. I have no idea what Biden could have done better.
I'm fairly sure timely withdrawal in civilized manner wasn't on the table. He needed to triple the current troops to keep this timeline with mostly peaceful missile strikes to stop Taliban for advancing too fast.
I'm not sure how he was going to sell the public the need to bring in 10-50k Afghani refugees. 2500 sneaked in sounds about right.
I'm assuming the idea was to leave and the biggest risk to that was dead Americans on the ground. Getting overrun was always a real possibility.
Taliban will use missile strikes as an excuse, but they don't take it personally. They knew what they were doing when they started advancing. More ground troops, military bases getting filled or anything that doesn't look like a casual retreat they will feel some type of way.
Way it played out Taliban is actually behaving in an almost civil manner with only moderate amount of beheadings. As long as they believe they can achieve some legitimacy for their rule there's a chance Afganistan retains it's status as bottom tier shithole. If things work out they might even start aiming for mid tier.
Oh yea, withdrawal from Iraq is slated for this year as well. It might work out.
Kalam: Afghan porn any day of the week.
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Originally Posted by gimmick
I can't believe you actually said that. Why don't you just go ahead and call them "Mostly Peaceful Protesters"?
A "Moderate amount of beheadings?" Tell me, what would be considered an inordinate amount of beheadings? SMH.
That line is there just to piss you off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza FriaQuote:
Originally Posted by gimmick
I can't believe you actually said that. Why don't you just go ahead and call them "Mostly Peaceful Protesters"?
A "Moderate amount of beheadings?" Tell me, what would be considered an inordinate amount of beheadings? SMH.
On the other hand i'm not the rocket scientist that thought it was a good idea to make deal with the Taliban based on the honor system.
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Originally Posted by sonatine
Are you really going to attempt at making the point that media is biased to the side of deficit reduction or anti inflationary policies?
I think it’s fair to say there are some media types left who are anti socialism in the far left sense. Pragmatically I think it was also a understanding that Tump beats Sanders but had little shot vs Biden so they went with the winning horse because anyone > Orange man.
That I said I couldn’t disagree more about “deficit reduction and anti inflationary”.
It’s an interesting take, I’ll give you that.
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Originally Posted by Walter SobchakThis is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis
Sorry hun, you don’t get to blame trump no more. This is Biden’s bed full of shit.
No, you were the rocket scientist that used the phrase "moderate amount of beheadings".Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmickThat line is there just to piss you off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerveza Fria
On the other hand i'm not the rocket scientist that thought it was a good idea to make deal with the Taliban based on the honor system.
My heart is heavy today for the people at that airport. I'm feeling more and more worry for them. Today I read that the Taliban will "respond" with "consequences" if we are not out of the country by 8/31. Also that ISIS is making threats to our sons and daughters. At some point soon the last flight is leaving. Does anyone disagree that the last people there are going to have to fight their way out? Some people I've talked to want to go back in and restart the war. A couple mentioned nukes. One person said these are the end times. I don't know what the right answers are. Our country is very weak right now. I don't think Mr Biden is a strong leader and I don't think he's well mentally. He makes me cringe every time I hear him speak and Ms Harris frightens me even more than him.