BUT LIKE JOSEPH BIDEN HAS SO MUCH FOREIGN EXPERIENCE OR SOMETHING

[Walter Sobchak]

What can you say about a country that removes troops before removing its citizens. That’s what happens when you elect a senile president and security chief hired on the color of his skin.

This is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.

[Dan Druff]

Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?

There are two issues here:

1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.

2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.

It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.

LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.

FFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.

The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.

Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.

Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...

[gimmick]

FFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.

The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.

Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.

Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...

Trump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.

US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.

The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.

So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.

[Cerveza Fria]

The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.

Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.

Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...

Trump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.

US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.

The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.

So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.

Sure, Blame Trump. Biden is directly responsible for the execution of the widhdrawal- not Trump. Get an new gimmick . This one is not aging well.

[Daly]

[Walter Sobchak]

The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.

Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.

Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...

Trump made the deal. He had one of Taliban's current leaders (second tier of their pyramid) released from prison 3 years ago. He pulled out most of the troops out.

US was already bombing Taliban before they boldly ran away. Interesting tactic for mutual trust.

The highly confident estimates before Taliban would rule the country were somewhere between 1-6 months.

So Biden either honors the deal and returns some faith to American diplomacy or brings in even more troops. Obv the deal was retarded. It's whatever.

Trump didn’t require as part of the deal that they let us pull out in an orderly fashion and take our people with us. He’s such a great deal maker, I don’t know how that slipped by him.

[BCR]

I can’t blame Trump. I can be pretty sure he’d have fucked it up as he fucked up anything that involved complexity like a withdrawal, but if I inherit your shit plan and don’t alter it, I’m just as dumb if not dumber.

Someone like Trump might have been more useful on 9/11 than Bush. Would be hard to be worse than Bush/Cheney/Wolfowitz. Might have actually thrived in that spot.

It would have been straight tough guy populist posturing where he doesn’t know what he’s babbling about, but being absolutely crazy enough to nuke you kind of works with some Stone Age saber rattling only understand the sword crowd.

It’s possible he starts WW3, but it’s also possible they hand over Taliban leaders knowing he’s crazy enough to nuke them if they’re worried he might actually start turning loved ones and mosques into mushroom clouds. Was always going to be interesting if Trump found himself in one of those spots. Scary, as he’d most likely fuck it up, but it might have worked. It’s also possible we didn’t have many issues because being stone cold crazy was possibly his most positive attribute as a president in that arena.

[lol wow]

can you faggot cucklords make another political thread this was about shaming sonatine and then slowly winding into a dave season finale thread while we discussed polenta

[splitthis]

What can you say about a country that removes troops before removing its citizens. That’s what happens when you elect a senile president and security chief hired on the color of his skin.

This is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.

You just made yourself a huge black idiot.

[Walter Sobchak]

This is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.

You just made yourself a huge black idiot.

We can always count on you to make it racial.

[sonatine]

[Sanlmar]

FFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.

The withdrawal date set by Trump keeps getting blamed, but it wasn't mid-August. It was May 1. So having blown by it by 3.5 months, why was it so important to withdraw so quickly and fuck everything up? This is a dumb excuse. Had we withdrawn on May 1 and Biden said he simply wanted to keep to our agreement, he'd at least have that. Here we were so far past the deadline that taking a bit more time to withdraw correctly wouldn't have drawn any criticism.

Biden also reversed a shitload of things Trump did, before he was even in office a week. To state that somehow this was Trump's fault for "laying the groundwork" is bullshit, because Biden could have changed or reversed anything he felt was incorrect.

Biden's top priority in his first week was to restore the rights of trans women to ruin women's sports. For some reason he didn't want to reverse Trump's perceived mistakes involving Afghanistan? Get the fuck outta here...

I read this and I think, “in the past 10 years this guy demonstrated far more passion about the trans woman issue than Afghanistan.”

Which put you squarely in the middle of everyone else on your board save 3 or 4. We always hope for better from you though.

So please continue your Afghan silence

[gimmick]

My previous post was mostly about why people blame Trump. I have no idea what Biden could have done better.

I'm fairly sure timely withdrawal in civilized manner wasn't on the table. He needed to triple the current troops to keep this timeline with mostly peaceful missile strikes to stop Taliban for advancing too fast.

I'm not sure how he was going to sell the public the need to bring in 10-50k Afghani refugees. 2500 sneaked in sounds about right.

I'm assuming the idea was to leave and the biggest risk to that was dead Americans on the ground. Getting overrun was always a real possibility.

Taliban will use missile strikes as an excuse, but they don't take it personally. They knew what they were doing when they started advancing. More ground troops, military bases getting filled or anything that doesn't look like a casual retreat they will feel some type of way.

Way it played out Taliban is actually behaving in an almost civil manner with only moderate amount of beheadings. As long as they believe they can achieve some legitimacy for their rule there's a chance Afganistan retains it's status as bottom tier shithole. If things work out they might even start aiming for mid tier.

Oh yea, withdrawal from Iraq is slated for this year as well. It might work out.

[Walter Sobchak]

Kalam: Afghan porn any day of the week.

[Cerveza Fria]

My previous post was mostly about why people blame Trump. I have no idea what Biden could have done better.


Way it played out Taliban is actually behaving in an almost civil manner with only moderate amount of beheadings.
.

I can't believe you actually said that. Why don't you just go ahead and call them "Mostly Peaceful Protesters"?

A "Moderate amount of beheadings?" Tell me, what would be considered an inordinate amount of beheadings? SMH.

[gimmick]

My previous post was mostly about why people blame Trump. I have no idea what Biden could have done better.


Way it played out Taliban is actually behaving in an almost civil manner with only moderate amount of beheadings.
.

I can't believe you actually said that. Why don't you just go ahead and call them "Mostly Peaceful Protesters"?

A "Moderate amount of beheadings?" Tell me, what would be considered an inordinate amount of beheadings? SMH.

That line is there just to piss you off.

On the other hand i'm not the rocket scientist that thought it was a good idea to make deal with the Taliban based on the honor system.

[Daly]

Are you really going to attempt at making the point that media is biased to the side of deficit reduction or anti inflationary policies?

I think it’s fair to say there are some media types left who are anti socialism in the far left sense. Pragmatically I think it was also a understanding that Tump beats Sanders but had little shot vs Biden so they went with the winning horse because anyone > Orange man.

That I said I couldn’t disagree more about “deficit reduction and anti inflationary”.

It’s an interesting take, I’ll give you that.

[DJ_Chaps]

What can you say about a country that removes troops before removing its citizens. That’s what happens when you elect a senile president and security chief hired on the color of his skin.

This is Trump’s fault. Go back to being a fake nurse.

Sorry hun, you don’t get to blame trump no more. This is Biden’s bed full of shit.

[Cerveza Fria]

I can't believe you actually said that. Why don't you just go ahead and call them "Mostly Peaceful Protesters"?

A "Moderate amount of beheadings?" Tell me, what would be considered an inordinate amount of beheadings? SMH.

That line is there just to piss you off.

On the other hand i'm not the rocket scientist that thought it was a good idea to make deal with the Taliban based on the honor system.

No, you were the rocket scientist that used the phrase "moderate amount of beheadings".

[country978]

My heart is heavy today for the people at that airport. I'm feeling more and more worry for them. Today I read that the Taliban will "respond" with "consequences" if we are not out of the country by 8/31. Also that ISIS is making threats to our sons and daughters. At some point soon the last flight is leaving. Does anyone disagree that the last people there are going to have to fight their way out? Some people I've talked to want to go back in and restart the war. A couple mentioned nukes. One person said these are the end times. I don't know what the right answers are. Our country is very weak right now. I don't think Mr Biden is a strong leader and I don't think he's well mentally. He makes me cringe every time I hear him speak and Ms Harris frightens me even more than him.