Anyone want to shop at Target in Minneapolis today? (George Floyd police brutality death)

[Dan Druff]

BTW, despite the efforts of Trump and Fox News and Russian propaganda network OAN, over 80% of WHITE people support the protests. They know the violence is a small minority of the protesters.

The more out of touch with reality Trump gets on this issue, the more it helps Biden. That's why Biden's poll numbers are increasing even in the most recent polls taken after the protests started. Texas, Georgia, Iowa, even Missouri and Utah are in play.

"Support the protests" is a very loaded term.

What does that mean?

Support the right for people to protest? Umm.... sure. I think almost every American supports that.

Supports people protesting for change regarding handling of police brutality issues? Sure. I can agree with that, too.

Supports protesting tactics such as blocking major roads and highways? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports protests where police are pelted with objects and their vehicle are vandalized? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports the protests even if they turn violent? I doubt many people outside of Democrats support that.

Pretty LOL poll.

[Dan Druff]

It really is very cute how the 2020 left thinks that they're the first geniuses to come up with community outreach being used in place of policing in order to reduce crime.

Talk to your parents and grandparents and ask if this was tried during their time, and how that worked out.

It's amazing how I see the return of a lot of things which were tried and determined to be a bad idea back when I was young, and now suddenly today's generation of adults want to try the same dumb crap all over again, believing a different result will occur.

Higher taxes for the rich! Community outreach instead of policing! Throwing money at impoverished areas and programs designed to help them, with the belief it will solve everything! Working with career violent criminals to reform them instead of locking them up!

Groundbreaking stuff, guys. Never seen any of that tried before. You leftists in 2020 are real out-of-the-box thinkers.

[Sanlmar]

No mention of prosperity (economy) in your theory Druff. Hmm, 2014 and 2020.

Not simply a law and order issue. Nothing is that simple. Immediately, I recall Gladwell (I think) proposing NYC abortion rates (new access to abortion) resulting in fewer black delinquents 17 years later.

Somewhere there is a chart crime & prosperity.

[BCR]

BTW, despite the efforts of Trump and Fox News and Russian propaganda network OAN, over 80% of WHITE people support the protests. They know the violence is a small minority of the protesters.

The more out of touch with reality Trump gets on this issue, the more it helps Biden. That's why Biden's poll numbers are increasing even in the most recent polls taken after the protests started. Texas, Georgia, Iowa, even Missouri and Utah are in play.

"Support the protests" is a very loaded term.

What does that mean?

Support the right for people to protest? Umm.... sure. I think almost every American supports that.

Supports people protesting for change regarding handling of police brutality issues? Sure. I can agree with that, too.

Supports protesting tactics such as blocking major roads and highways? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports protests where police are pelted with objects and their vehicle are vandalized? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports the protests even if they turn violent? I doubt many people outside of Democrats support that.

Pretty LOL poll.

I thought this was going to help Trump in a major way, but I’m hearing a lot of “it’s always something with this fucking guy” lately. People irritated that supported him that he can’t just ever take the high road and say one conciliatory word. Not that they might voter Biden, but definitely approval isn’t what it once was.

Just kind of a burnout. We will see if it lasts. I’m shocked at the continued poor approval polls after a great economic week and continued protests. That would have been a dream week before.


I am not a fan of this weeks-long focus on a relatively minor problem. My issues on it are entirely different than yours other than we agree it’s opportunism by criminals initially.

The reality is all murder is largely whites killing whites and blacks killing blacks. They kill us more, but in general, you kill what’s around you and people kill their own.

This shit is maybe 30-50 people a year. I’m interested in the wealth inequality and the class struggle, but the blacks pretty much opted out of that discussion when they fell in line with a backslapper like joe. They had an authentic choice who was getting arrested in the 60s with them when Joe was at the country club or at school doing C- work.

They told white kids buried in debt with shit entry jobs living 4 an apartment and Latinos working and struggling to keep their families intact to go stand in the corner.

Even now, as you march for their cause, if you dared list a grievance of yours on line 10, with the first 9 being black issues, you’d catch a brick upside your head.

So a few days of respectful protest for a straight up murder is appropriate, but this nonsensical defund the police campaign and weeks long martyrdom is not the root of the fucking problem in this country, but this isn’t a class struggle. They made it very clear they didn’t want to be part of a class struggle.

This is a blown up niche issue. A horrific killing, but problem 850 on a list of black community problems, and all lower income peoples problems. I’m shocked it’s lingered this long.

I saw Killer Mike address those people in Atlanta last week and think about what could have been. Huge Bernie guy last cycle and this one. That would be a powerful movement with an economy sure to have large unemployment numbers for a good long while. This is a very sad event, one of too many, but worrying about one small niche of a much larger issue imo.

[Sanlmar]

Cop killed a black guy or cop killed someone he knew and didn’t like.

All this fuss over law and order and riots.

I’m in a bar after a shitty day at work. I didn’t go home cause my wife has been a bitch. You spill your drink on me I might crack your windpipe. The drink is just a trigger.

The cop video triggered emotion in a country that’s under a lot of strain. Economically and politically. Locked up for 3 months. I graduated college with big debt, not great job prospects, never get my own place. Swap in 5 other demographics that are dissatisfied atm.

Lotta civil unrest parading under the guise of righteous black lives matter. It woulda been something else and in a few months it WILL be something else.

Let’s be frank, the President just fans the flames.

I prefer a discussion as to why the population is really pissed off.

I really give very few fucks about this Floyd story and the riots any more.

[Tellafriend]

Cop killed a black guy or cop killed someone he knew and didn’t like.

All this fuss over law and order and riots.

I’m in a bar after a shitty day at work. I didn’t go home cause my wife has been a bitch. You spill your drink on me I might crack your windpipe. The drink is just a trigger.

The cop video triggered emotion in a country that’s under a lot of strain. Economically and politically. Locked up for 3 months. I graduated college with big debt, not great job prospects, never get my own place. Swap in 5 other demographics that are dissatisfied atm.

Lotta civil unrest parading under the guise of righteous black lives matter. It woulda been something else and in a few months it WILL be something else.

Let’s be frank, the President just fans the flames.

I prefer a discussion as to why the population is really pissed off.

I really give very few fucks about this Floyd story and the riots any more.

A lack of hope.

[BCR]

Cop killed a black guy or cop killed someone he knew and didn’t like.

All this fuss over law and order and riots.

I’m in a bar after a shitty day at work. I didn’t go home cause my wife has been a bitch. You spill your drink on me I might crack your windpipe. The drink is just a trigger.

The cop video triggered emotion in a country that’s under a lot of strain. Economically and politically. Locked up for 3 months. I graduated college with big debt, not great job prospects, never get my own place. Swap in 5 other demographics that are dissatisfied atm.

Lotta civil unrest parading under the guise of righteous black lives matter. It woulda been something else and in a few months it WILL be something else.

Let’s be frank, the President just fans the flames.

I prefer a discussion as to why the population is really pissed off.

I hope your last few sentences are correct. If we are going to war, let it be with an objective beyond pressuring a bunch of CEOs to make some generic statement that means nothing. A coalition.

As a pure political calculation, Joe may have been the right move. Bernie scared old white peoples also. I just can’t pretend I didn’t see a bunch of people ignore the authentic guy and now want to have a revolution with an old guard politico. Thankfully Trump is playing horribly. Couple nice words and a few presidential moments and he would have owned this thing .

[sonatine]

I thought this was going to help Trump in a major way, but I’m hearing a lot of “it’s always something with this fucking guy” lately. People irritated that supported him that he can’t just ever take the high road and say one conciliatory word. Not that they might voter Biden, but definitely approval isn’t what it once was.

'everything trump touches dies' is no longer something sneered around cigars in back rooms by wealthy criminals banking their tax breaks.

its just not funny anymore.

[BCR]

Cop killed a black guy or cop killed someone he knew and didn’t like.

All this fuss over law and order and riots.

I’m in a bar after a shitty day at work. I didn’t go home cause my wife has been a bitch. You spill your drink on me I might crack your windpipe. The drink is just a trigger.

The cop video triggered emotion in a country that’s under a lot of strain. Economically and politically. Locked up for 3 months. I graduated college with big debt, not great job prospects, never get my own place. Swap in 5 other demographics that are dissatisfied atm.

Lotta civil unrest parading under the guise of righteous black lives matter. It woulda been something else and in a few months it WILL be something else.

Let’s be frank, the President just fans the flames.

I prefer a discussion as to why the population is really pissed off.

I really give very few fucks about this Floyd story and the riots any more.

A lack of hope.

Apropos of nothing. You said you’re on Hitler in Argentina and Columbia in 1962. Are we taking grey wolf book about the escape of Hitler or something else? I’ve never see a compelling case, but I eat that ww2 shit up if you found something of value. That’s the only thing I can find that seems to make that case

[tgull]

"Support the protests" is a very loaded term.

What does that mean?

Support the right for people to protest? Umm.... sure. I think almost every American supports that.

Supports people protesting for change regarding handling of police brutality issues? Sure. I can agree with that, too.

Supports protesting tactics such as blocking major roads and highways? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports protests where police are pelted with objects and their vehicle are vandalized? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports the protests even if they turn violent? I doubt many people outside of Democrats support that.

Pretty LOL poll.

I thought this was going to help Trump in a major way, but I’m hearing a lot of “it’s always something with this fucking guy” lately. People irritated that supported him that he can’t just ever take the high road and say one conciliatory word. Not that they might voter Biden, but definitely approval isn’t what it once was.

Just kind of a burnout. We will see if it lasts. I’m shocked at the continued poor approval polls after a great economic week and continued protests. That would have been a dream week before.


I am not a fan of this weeks-long focus on a relatively minor problem. My issues on it are entirely different than yours other than we agree it’s opportunism by criminals initially.

The reality is all murder is largely whites killing whites and blacks killing blacks. They kill us more, but in general, you kill what’s around you and people kill their own.

This shit is maybe 30-50 people a year. I’m interested in the wealth inequality and the class struggle, but the blacks pretty much opted out of that discussion when they fell in line with a backslapper like joe. They had an authentic choice who was getting arrested in the 60s with them when Joe was at the country club or at school doing C- work.

They told white kids buried in debt with shit entry jobs living 4 an apartment and Latinos working and struggling to keep their families intact to go stand in the corner.

Even now, as you march for their cause, if you dared list a grievance of yours on line 10, with the first 9 being black issues, you’d catch a brick upside your head.

So a few days of respectful protest for a straight up murder is appropriate, but this nonsensical defund the police campaign and weeks long martyrdom is not the root of the fucking problem in this country, but this isn’t a class struggle. They made it very clear they didn’t want to be part of a class struggle.

This is a blown up niche issue. A horrific killing, but problem 850 on a list of black community problems, and all lower income peoples problems. I’m shocked it’s lingered this long.

I saw Killer Mike address those people in Atlanta last week and think about what could have been. Huge Bernie guy last cycle and this one. That would be a powerful movement with an economy sure to have large unemployment numbers for a good long while. This is a very sad event, one of too many, but worrying about one small niche of a much larger issue imo.

This Floyd stuff will burn out in a couple weeks. This reminds me of Sandy Hook which was obviously a tragedy and much worse than Floyd. Gun control laws were all the rage for like a month, but the NRA just waited it out and it went away. Same thing with the Las Vegas spree, the guy with the bump stock. The American public loses interest after a few weeks on any issue and then the most important thing is where they are going on vacation. If people are employed come October and the stock market is at an all time high, Trump will be fine. The only real wildcard is if the virus roars back, then it comes down to voter turnout and who is willing to wait in line. Not sure who voter turnout will benefit under that scenario. My guess is it will benefit Biden because someone like me would take a pass under that scenario. I had some blue hair cough on me at Walgreens today and I damn near beat the shit out of him.

[big dick]

I had some blue hair cough on me at Walgreens today and I damn near beat the shit out of him.

[Sanlmar]

I thought this was going to help Trump in a major way, but I’m hearing a lot of “it’s always something with this fucking guy” lately. People irritated that supported him that he can’t just ever take the high road and say one conciliatory word. Not that they might voter Biden, but definitely approval isn’t what it once was.

'everything trump touches dies' is no longer something sneered around cigars in back rooms by wealthy criminals banking their tax breaks.

its just not funny anymore.

Just so we are on the same page...... let’s not play Druff’s game where one side is good and the other evil. We know they both suck. It’s just a matter of degree

The reason there is “lack of hope” ? Biden is our future. I’m all a tingle. Can you think of anything less inspiring? I guess Grandpa can’t cause too much harm but I feel like we deserve more.

Governance in America is at an all time low. It’s all slipping away.

[Sanlmar]

A lack of hope.

Apropos of nothing. You said you’re on Hitler in Argentina and Columbia in 1962. Are we taking grey wolf book about the escape of Hitler or something else? I’ve never see a compelling case, but I eat that ww2 shit up if you found something of value. That’s the only thing I can find that seems to make that case

Grey Wolf Coronavirus binge.... I actually went pretty deep ... History channel has some awful thing. Operation Paper Clip too. Couple other things.

It’s not new to me. Just made me happy to revisit

I found an old PFA thread ..... I’ll meet you over there. Gimme time

[big dick]

Tellafriend: Standard white trash


I quoted tgull you stupid whale

[Walter Sobchak]

BTW, despite the efforts of Trump and Fox News and Russian propaganda network OAN, over 80% of WHITE people support the protests. They know the violence is a small minority of the protesters.

The more out of touch with reality Trump gets on this issue, the more it helps Biden. That's why Biden's poll numbers are increasing even in the most recent polls taken after the protests started. Texas, Georgia, Iowa, even Missouri and Utah are in play.

"Support the protests" is a very loaded term.

What does that mean?

Support the right for people to protest? Umm.... sure. I think almost every American supports that.

Supports people protesting for change regarding handling of police brutality issues? Sure. I can agree with that, too.

Supports protesting tactics such as blocking major roads and highways? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports protests where police are pelted with objects and their vehicle are vandalized? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports the protests even if they turn violent? I doubt many people outside of Democrats support that.

Pretty LOL poll.

That's why I mentioned the violence as separate from the protest.

[Dan Druff]

No mention of prosperity (economy) in your theory Druff. Hmm, 2014 and 2020.

Not simply a law and order issue. Nothing is that simple. Immediately, I recall Gladwell (I think) proposing NYC abortion rates (new access to abortion) resulting in fewer black delinquents 17 years later.

Somewhere there is a chart crime & prosperity.

Yes, I've seen the abortion theory about the reduction in violent crime starting in 1992. It's possible that has something to do with it. However, you can't discount the aggressive policing and heavy police presence starting in those years which really cleaned up a lot of areas.

When would you have rather walked around in Times Square? 2000 or 1990?

[sonatine]

'everything trump touches dies' is no longer something sneered around cigars in back rooms by wealthy criminals banking their tax breaks.

its just not funny anymore.

Just so we are on the same page...... let’s not play Druff’s game where one side is good and the other evil.

i cant help you with whatever pathological need to hedge against reality compelled you to type that.

everyone with a better-than-functional iq has beaten the 'its not two sides of the same coin' thing to death, its retard cult vs humanity's future and if you want to somehow pretend thats splitting hairs, i guess you have the perfect audience here for it.

[Dan Druff]

"Support the protests" is a very loaded term.

What does that mean?

Support the right for people to protest? Umm.... sure. I think almost every American supports that.

Supports people protesting for change regarding handling of police brutality issues? Sure. I can agree with that, too.

Supports protesting tactics such as blocking major roads and highways? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports protests where police are pelted with objects and their vehicle are vandalized? I bet the majority does NOT support that.

Supports the protests even if they turn violent? I doubt many people outside of Democrats support that.

Pretty LOL poll.

That's why I mentioned the violence as separate from the protest.

You might have mentioned it, but the poll you referred to likely didn't.

"Do you support the protests?" is purposely phrased in a way to where it seems like there is greater widespread support for the entire matter than there actually is.

The controversy is NOT about the protesting, but rather that awful things which sprung from it, and the bad decision not to clamp down upon it. Then there's a further controversy about the left making excuses for the bad actors, rather than properly referring to them as thugs and criminals (which they are).

I mean, there are actual bail funds meant to help bail out rioters and looters. When I point out to people that the money is going to ALL people arrested, which are more often bad actors than falsely-arrested peaceful protesters, the response I always get is, "Good. I want that."

Insane.

[nightmarefish]

Seattle is a complete shit show right now. Used to love that city, now Antifa's new home base.

Sad

[thesidedish]

Seattle is a complete shit show right now. Used to love that city, now Antifa's new home base.

Sad

NOW PORTLAND. SAN FRAN NEXT?

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