Druff, you are strawmanning what a working super majority of Minneapolis council members who want yo defund their city’s current police department will end up doing based on the most extreme voices in that council are arguing for, which BTW is that the media have focused on given the newsworthiness of what those voices are saying.Originally Posted by Dan Druff
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Druff, you are strawmanning what a working super majority of Minneapolis council members who want yo defund their city’s current police department will end up doing based on the most extreme voices in that council are arguing for, which BTW is that the media have focused on given the newsworthiness of what those voices are saying.
Mumbles, show me any evidence that the Minneapolis City Council is going to vote for anything other than a complete teardown and rebuild regarding what is known as modern policing.
Honestly, there should be one city where crime is legal. Anything goes. And if you don't like it, don't live there.
Not sure where you're getting that the guy with a long-running radio gag of "being in a secret locaion" isn't a privacy advocate. I was a privacy advocate going back to the 1980s when everyone laughed at me for being a privacy advocate.
However, there are times when I believe privacy concerns should take a back seat to public interest. For example, I'm fine with police using sites like 23andMe in order to solve murder cold cases, because... they're murder cold cases. I'm also fine with law enforcement cracking iPhone passwords provided they have a warrant to do so. I find it absurd that people think that they somehow have a "right" to not have their electronics searched, even if police are holding a warrant authorizing a complete search of their person and property. We don't want pedos to be able to easily have a device to store all of their homemade child porn which isn't accessible to law enforcement, for example.
However, I am not a fan of general monitoring programs, and I'm especially not a fan of it when it comes to private industry doing it (often without your knowledge).
That's the real threat these days -- private industry. They're harvesting way more information about you than the government, and they're using it for far more nefarious purposes.
Anyway, back to the topic you brought up.
sonatine is correct. It's very possible IBM was on the verge of this decision anyway, and pulled the trigger because it bought them good woke PR.
A great rule of thumb is never to attribute corporate good citizenship to any other factor besides bottom line profit calculation. There are a few exceptions -- mainly companies with a long history of cause or religious based decisions. Chic-Fil-A legitimately cares about Christianity. Ben & Jerry's has long incorporated left-wing hippy politics into their company philosophy. Whether I agree or disagree with these companies on their politics, at least it's genuine.
IBM... not so much.
Actually it's been really irritating receiving the pandering e-mails from large companies, pretending like they're supporting change, and citing some million dollar donation they gave to a black charity. They're all dripping with such insincerity that I wonder if even the most gullible of the population takes their faux-concern seriously.
Not sure where you're getting that the guy with a long-running radio gag of "being in a secret locaion" isn't a privacy advocate. I was a privacy advocate going back to the 1980s when everyone laughed at me for being a privacy advocate.
However, there are times when I believe privacy concerns should take a back seat to public interest. For example, I'm fine with police using sites like 23andMe in order to solve murder cold cases, because... they're murder cold cases. I'm also fine with law enforcement cracking iPhone passwords provided they have a warrant to do so. I find it absurd that people think that they somehow have a "right" to not have their electronics searched, even if police are holding a warrant authorizing a complete search of their person and property. We don't want pedos to be able to easily have a device to store all of their homemade child porn which isn't accessible to law enforcement, for example.
However, I am not a fan of general monitoring programs, and I'm especially not a fan of it when it comes to private industry doing it (often without your knowledge).
That's the real threat these days -- private industry. They're harvesting way more information about you than the government, and they're using it for far more nefarious purposes.
Anyway, back to the topic you brought up.
sonatine is correct. It's very possible IBM was on the verge of this decision anyway, and pulled the trigger because it bought them good woke PR.
A great rule of thumb is never to attribute corporate good citizenship to any other factor besides bottom line profit calculation. There are a few exceptions -- mainly companies with a long history of cause or religious based decisions. Chic-Fil-A legitimately cares about Christianity. Ben & Jerry's has long incorporated left-wing hippy politics into their company philosophy. Whether I agree or disagree with these companies on their politics, at least it's genuine.
IBM... not so much.
Actually it's been really irritating receiving the pandering e-mails from large companies, pretending like they're supporting change, and citing some million dollar donation they gave to a black charity. They're all dripping with such insincerity that I wonder if even the most gullible of the population takes their faux-concern seriously.
You wouldn’t feel that way about warrants if you knew just how easy they are to obtain.
Actually I would like that too.
It would be great to have a city with no police -- or some kind of weak pseudo-police force -- and watch it turn into complete and utter chaos.
Rapes, robberies, murderers, savage beatings, organized crime, extortion, you name it.
Then people will realize that the need for police and jails were well established hundreds of years ago, that the job is often difficult and dangerous, and we can finally put this silly anti-police discussion to bed.
Reminds me of the spoiled kid who constantly bitches that his parents are so terrible, and he finally leaves home to show how much better he can do without them in his life. Then after everything falls apart, he returns home and finally appreciates all they did for him. We need that here.
Go ahead, Minneapolis. Do it.
Have black cops respond to black crimes, soon won’t be any black cops.
Let’s go back to segregation y’all can have your bad selves.
So many minority groups and the one that gets the most free shit whines the most and commits the most crime.
Government needs to quit propagating poor black bitches pumping out useless trash by multiple losers.
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same.
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lol...
read this persons tweets
https://twitter.com/QueenOfGeele?lang=en
Something very similar to that actually existed in Hong Kong at one point. It was called the Kowloon Walled City, but it was demolished in 1994. When it existed, it was the densest place on earth (by far). 50,000 people lived in an area of 6.5 acres.Actually I would like that too.
It would be great to have a city with no police -- or some kind of weak pseudo-police force -- and watch it turn into complete and utter chaos.
There's some longer documentaries on it, but here's some footage. There was actually a lot of industry, and they'd supply a lot of the high-end restaurants with noodles because they could produce them cheaply with no regulations (and with rats running around).
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Then reform the procedure for obtaining search warrants for devices to the requirement of a higher standard of necessity.
You wouldn’t feel that way about warrants if you knew just how easy they are to obtain.
I can't get behind allowing every pedo wtih an iPhone knowing he has a safe place to store his kiddie porn, with zero worry of it ever being used against him.
I've seen some stuff about this before.Something very similar to that actually existed in Hong Kong at one point. It was called the Kowloon Walled City, but it was demolished in 1994. When it existed, it was the densest place on earth (by far). 50,000 people lived in an area of 6.5 acres.
There's some longer documentaries on it, but here's some footage. There was actually a lot of industry, and they'd supply a lot of the high-end restaurants with noodles because they could produce them cheaply with no regulations (and with rats running around).
However, mix in some violent US culture into the whole thing, and I can only imagine what that would look like.
On the bright side, put some loot-proof cameras up within the city and we will have one of the best reality shows ever.
That's true, every time I hear Trump whining I think I guess he just hasn't had enough advantages in life. Better write himself a few more tax loopholes.
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shes got a point, all these fly over state maga tards cant go a week without their foodstamps and oxies.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
First person I’ve seen who say they knew each other, but he isn’t super convincing imo. but I’d assume he knows.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/derek-...oworker-says/#
Lots of talk these past 2 weeks about "demilitarizing" police.
Can someone take a crack here at stating why this is a good idea? Seems like the goal is to weaken police so violent mobs can overwhelm and abuse them without consequence.
Either police have authority to use force, or they don't. We shouldn't be weakening them when they do need to use force. Militarized police would have put down these riots quickly, and people would have been more likely to peacefully protest than feel they could escalate to rioting/looting with no consequence.
When I think of demilitarizing police, I think of the North Hollywood Shootout of 1997. where a huge police contingent was outgunned by two dudes with heavy weaponry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout
After that and similar incidents, police decided they would be more prepared to deal with heavily violent or threatening situations, and I was all for that.
if you read your history, you'll find places and times that were close to that: mining camps during the the California gold rush, no law or police--so vigilante groups formed; also Montreal, Canada in 1969 had a night of no police due to a strike--looting and destruction happened...so no need to have one lawless city to demonstrate what its like to have no police protection
(long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)
After 32 years, the reality T.V. show "Cops" has been cancelled.
Thank you, George Floyd.
Which T.V. show is next?
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Hopefully not scripted shows like Law & Order: SVU, Chicago PD, NCIS, or FBI. I like those shows. The Rookie can suck it.
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Pretty strightforward that police are reactionary and it’s better to target reasons for crimes than focus on arrests. It’s better to have police officers working as gang mentors or improving employment and education in hoods. Defunding police altogether is stupid and only the most extreme believe that. But there are legitimate arguments that funding for the aforementioned issues has better return on the dollar than miliarizing police.
I’ll also emphasize that most developed nations do not militarize police and their crime issues are far less severe.
Also the idea that brute force can stop riots is pretty well tested throughout history....
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