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Todd: I recently was listening to loop of radio and it just so happens it was an episode where you where talking about buying a car and how much of a pain in the ass it was . You went on to state about how you call a dealer and say what you want and what you will pay and then inform the salesperson that you want the best price over the phone and that you will call other dealers and whomever has the lowest price wins.

Anyways you continued on and on about your car buying savy and even somebody called in who use to be a salesman and tried explaining a few things to you. It was a great part of the show.

I was in the car business for about 13 years . Started as a salesman and ended up with my own lot. I will admit right now with 100% certainty I would have never sold you a car. I wouldn't have wanted your business . The minute you called I would have hung up on you. Why? When I sold cars I wanted repeat business , When I sold a car I wanted you to bring it to me to be serviced. Your not that guy. You are the guy who drives 200 miles to save $300.00 on a car and then services it at your local dealer . Being Jewish myself you sir take it to a whole level beyond even my jewness.

You also stated that you only deal with sales managers instead of salesman . You do realize that by doing that you save the owner money. Yep by dealing directly with a manager you cut out the salesman who gets a commission. Even if you bought the car at cost the salesman would get a mini of $50.00 . Guys like you are the worst customers ever and even as a salesman I would have shown you the door quickly.

Car dealers are part of local communities. Most are family owned . They employee local people and provide a service. You should be ashamed of yourself for being such a Jew.
Sorry but this post makes no sense.

You first say that you wouldn't have sold me a car, as either a salesman or a lot owner.

Then you chide me for going to the sales manager instead of the salesman.

According to your own post, I did the right thing, and you proved my point. I asserted on radio that salesmen are uncooperative and sometimes downright hostile if it appears you won't be making them much commission. So I stated that I go directly to the sales manager, rather than deal with that crap.

Your post basically verifies that what I said was true -- that salesmen would avoid selling me a car at all.

So I'm basically forced to deal with the sales manager for that reason.

You then chided me for screwing the salesman out of commission by going over his head!

Huh??? I had no choice exactly BECAUSE salesmen dismiss me due to the low commission they'll make.

You ended your post by giving me a hard time for denying "local people" from enough making money off me.

Sorry, but that's not how businesses work. I don't go to businesses to give them charity, nor do I expect businesses to give me charity. Car buying is mostly done through a negotiating model, and I will not feel ashamed for negotiating the best price. The profit that the owner makes and the commission the salespeople make are not my problem or concern. Similarly, the dealership should not feel guilty for selling someone an overpriced car and making a huge commission off of them, provided that they do it honestly.

I will admit that I'm not the ideal customer for a dealership, because they don't make a lot of money off of me, an as you said, I often don't service the car in the same location as where I buy it. However, again, I do not live my life concerning myself with how to let others profit off me. If you sell a car with a non-fixed-price model, you need to take the good with the bad -- customers like me AND the customers who stupidly pay whatever you ask.

You missed my point.

The way you go about it is why a salesperson doesn't want to deal with you. It has nothing to do with the commission. You yourself have no other option but to deal with a manager . You use the hostile salesperson as the reason.

Let's look at the average auto salesman day. Work at 8:00 am . Some floors are open some have what's called an up system. Open floor is customer comes on lot first salesman to the customer gets it. Up system is you wait in line for a customer. Most average car salesman work 60 hours a week. When I say average that's exactly what I mean they are making decent money but a horrible hourly wage.


Salesman take a ton of phone calls each day . Most of them consist of customer's such as you . Do you have this ? Can you get that? How much is it? I'll only pay this ? I want blue not green. On and on and on it goes. These salesman are fighting a two front war. One with you the customer and two with there sales manager or owner to produce sales.


Myself I was a complete asshole to customers. There are many ways to explain it but basically I can't sell you a car over the phone. You need to make an appointment to come see me and give me the opportunity to EARN your business. I didn't waste time with non buyer's . If I had the car in stock with the correct options in the color you wanted at the price you would pay you where driving that fucking thing home.


If I didn't have those things then goodbye I have other things to do. People liked my upfront attitude with them . They came to respect it .


One of my best lines was when a customer would say oh I'm just looking. My response instantly would be sir do we really want to start a business relationship lying to each other? What do you mean? Sir nobody comes to a car lot to look . This is not a car show it's a business we sell cars . Nobody likes coming to a car lot to buy cars so if I have the right model for the right price you would buy it today correct? Then I shut up and wait as long as it takes to get an answer. If it's yes we continue if it's no I usually excuse myself and go print out directions to the closest competition and cone out and hand it to said customer. I would say here is the closest store maybe they are willing to let you browse. When you are serious about purchasing please come back and see me cause we all pay the same amount for these cars .


I'm just saying that me personally wouldn't want your business. For reasons stated. Your not a loyal customer. Also the whole haggling excuse you give is bullshit. I use to love to tell guys like you this.

When you go to the grocery store and the total comes to $248.63 do you haggle with the checkout person. When they say there's no discount do you ask to speak to a manager? Lol! Guys like you are easy target for guys like me . I would insult you looking you straight in the eye while shaking your hand and showing you the exit.