john oliver destroys the ncaa and march madness

[Sanlmar]

As much as everyone wants to claim the NCAA is bullshit for not paying the student athletes, can someone actually post a realistic solution?


I've yet to ever hear one. All I hear is that the NCAA is screwing over the athletes. How do you possibly pay athletes? Do they ALL get the same amount? If different, how do they get paid and how much? Do small schools get fucked because they cant pony up millions for some 4 star recruit?

Excellent

We've already established what you are. Now we're just haggling over the price.

Should be a percentage of overall NCAA revenue. Equal for all D1 athletes. Schools must field 7 D1 teams to be eligible

Pay them all. No reason NCAA should keep all the cash. Spread it around.

Names, images and likeness should be the Wild West.

[ThreeBet]

I think they should be paid a small amount roughly equivalent to what an average college student would making working part-time while going to school full-time. Obviously there is no way they can get get a job with school/sports taking up all of their time.

LOL @ how some of these schools get away with being "non-profit". I can only imagine how shady their accounting is.

[Sanlmar]

I think they should be paid a small amount roughly equivalent to what an average college student would making working part-time while going to school full-time. Obviously there is no way they can get get a job with school/sports taking up all of their time.

LOL @ how some of these schools get away with being "non-profit". I can only imagine how shady their accounting is.

By the time you chop up some percentage of NCAA gross revenue (never trust bottom line accounting) across all D1 sports you prolly ARE talking minimum wage.

The important thing is NCAA now spreads the wealth amongst those that earn it.

Nobody gonna get rich and no one getting completely raped.

When legalized sports betting comes online we will have fresh revenue to chop. Oops, why did I do that.

[GrenadaRoger]

sorry to troll, but with players jumping to the pros after 1 year of college, or by-passing college entirely to play in Euro leagues, is the college game worth much attention anymore? and then sport itself has gone almost entirely Afro---and college and Afro aren't two words i regularly associate

[Daly]

You guys are missing the most critical question that needs to be answered. If the main question was how much do we pay them someone could step forward with a plan and trial and error it over the next ten years. But that's not the question. The real issue is once you start paying these guys you are admiting that they are a de facto employee. The problem question that needs to be answered is where does the liability end for the school?

You get that question answered and the NCAA falls tomorrow. The problem is it's the question wants to answer because it's a mountan of liability for the schools they would be taking on.

[JUSTIFIEDhomicide]

I think they should be paid a small amount roughly equivalent to what an average college student would making working part-time while going to school full-time. Obviously there is no way they can get get a job with school/sports taking up all of their time.

LOL @ how some of these schools get away with being "non-profit". I can only imagine how shady their accounting is.

Yeah, it's really not that hard to not have them be employee's and just giving them a small stipend. Even 100$ a week would go a long way. They're complaining about basics, so give them basics. They're not gonna break the bank giving athletes 400$ a month

[Texter]

Is this true?

http://www.holyturf.com/2011/05/foot...in-ncaa-rules/

[anonamoose]

Do they even necessarily have to pay them? Sure that would be ideal, but wouldn't most players be satisfied with a system where they can get something like workman's comp if they're injured and the ability to attend school for free even if they get injured?

Also, they should be free to get whatever endorsements they like or play in any pro sports that they would want on the side. For example a while ago there was a QB in the NCAA that was a professional snowboarder and that obviously became an issue. Why should this remain an issue?

This way you don't have to worry about schools giving ridiculous perks to the top athletes and can remain competitive but still give the players rights.

[Daly]

"The offical Raptor of the State of NH"

[Sanlmar]

You guys are missing the most critical question that needs to be answered. If the main question was how much do we pay them someone could step forward with a plan and trial and error it over the next ten years. But that's not the question. The real issue is once you start paying these guys you are admiting that they are a de facto employee. The problem question that needs to be answered is where does the liability end for the school?

You get that question answered and the NCAA falls tomorrow. The problem is it's the question wants to answer because it's a mountan of liability for the schools they would be taking on.

It was HBO Real Sports turn to take their shot at the NCAA in their most recent episode. HBO chose to focus more on the workmans comp/liability angle.

I was amazed to see a couple of NCAA representatives stand in like men against the onslaught of common sense. When it came to the panel discussion the NCAA rep. quietly took the abuse

Providing health insurance to injured, top college athletes after they graduate receives the support of majorities of Americans, 56%, and college sports fans, 55%, alike according to,the Marist poll cited in the story.

Of course, the upshot of the story, Daly, is that you take the millions sloshing around the NCAA offices and buy a workmans comp policy. Maybe Mark Emmert doesn't make 1.8 million this year. Perhaps he gets by with a million.

Reform is coming.

The comedian at the end of the piece was pretty funny. HBO Real Sports is usually anything but funny with that pompous douchebag Bryant Gumbel.

[Sanlmar]

Hello darkness my old friend. Yeah, the NCAA.

The one and done farce of college basketball players taking money. Why is the FBI wasting their resources on this? Aside from the NCAA being a multi billion dollar industry.

If the kids got paid above board we aren’t even talking about this.

The talk is that the NBA might finally be done with the embarrassment of being associated with the NCAA. Just ship the top high school prospects to D League or an NBA academy. Kids get their money at 18.

The NCAA screwed around with this for too long and now it’s probably too late. They killed their golden goose.

Does this fuck the March tournament? Can you imagine?

Sweet hypocrisy. Fuck the NCAA

[hongkonger]

Hello darkness my old friend. Yeah, the NCAA.

The one and done farce of college basketball players taking money. Why is the FBI wasting their resources on this? Aside from the NCAA being a multi billion dollar industry.

If the kids got paid above board we aren’t even talking about this.

The talk is that the NBA might finally be done with the embarrassment of being associated with the NCAA. Just ship the top high school prospects to D League or an NBA academy. Kids get their money at 18.

The NCAA screwed around with this for too long and now it’s probably too late. They killed their golden goose.

Does this fuck the March tournament? Can you imagine?

Sweet hypocrisy. Fuck the NCAA

Could make the NCAA tourney better. More teams with depth and experience and teamwork advancing. Less imbalance in talent between the top teams and the lesser teams. Maybe more upsets and a mid-major winning the tourney. I could be wrong but we can hope for the best. The tourney was god in the 80s and 90s before this one and done crap was so common.

[mulva]

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[mulva]

just because 1 crooked coach gets busted doesn't mean this cash cow is dead. for every 1 that's busted there's 10 that isn't.

sadly the ncaa isn't about higher learning. if it was they would not have allowed this 1 and done bs to punks to schools that require a resume nothing short of curing cancer to get in. much higher qualified students are being passed over because of it. it's a joke. these punks get free rides to 40/50k per yr schools and it isn't enough.

sad farce colleges and universities are

[Sanlmar]

Hate is the correct play Mulva. We just need to channel it correctly.

The one and done is an NBA rule. Nothing to do with college.

By way of example, the really elite high school baseball kids are drafted to the MLB minor leagues. Think Kershaw. No college. I have a feeling the basketball progression is going to be this.

The allusion to 80’s & 90’s was thought provoking in this context. I remember the Michigan Fab Five. None of those kids would play College in my new model. Their talent was clear and the NBA would draft out of high school.

If you saw the 30 for 30 piece you learned how pissed the Fab Five were about not being able to afford the merch the schools and sneaker companies were banking off their brand. They all said, “fuck the NCAA” and became the godfathers of the early bounce.

Nostalgia is a weird thing

[GambleBotsChafedPenis]

Hello darkness my old friend. Yeah, the NCAA.

The one and done farce of college basketball players taking money. Why is the FBI wasting their resources on this? Aside from the NCAA being a multi billion dollar industry.

If the kids got paid above board we aren’t even talking about this.

The talk is that the NBA might finally be done with the embarrassment of being associated with the NCAA. Just ship the top high school prospects to D League or an NBA academy. Kids get their money at 18.

The NCAA screwed around with this for too long and now it’s probably too late. They killed their golden goose.

Does this fuck the March tournament? Can you imagine?

Sweet hypocrisy. Fuck the NCAA

does seem like an odd one, until you remember that most of these schools are taking federal money through grants/student loans/etc...so like always you start to fuck with the gobment's money they get all pissy and shit about it...

I hope sean miller doesn't accidentally say, 'SEND IT IN JEROME' when he gets to the slammer or he's gonna get a very large surprise in his ass...

too bad mark emerett wont be joining him behind bars...to hear that cocksucker wax poetically about corruption in basketball is truly disgusting...that motherfucker doesn't know that this shit is going on right beneath his nose? are you fucking kidding me???? no, he just turned a blind eye while the billions rolled in and he collected his 6 figure salary...as long as the rights money continued to flow he didn't give two fucks about the exploitation going on...

I'm with you san, fuck the NCAA...hopefully they'll be able to take the power/money away from those fucking idiots at some point in the near future...

[mulva]

Hate is the correct play Mulva. We just need to channel it correctly.

The one and done is an NBA rule. Nothing to do with college.

By way of example, the really elite high school baseball kids are drafted to the MLB minor leagues. Think Kershaw. No college. I have a feeling the basketball progression is going to be this.

The allusion to 80’s & 90’s was thought provoking in this context. I remember the Michigan Fab Five. None of those kids would play College in my new model. Their talent was clear and the NBA would draft out of high school.

If you saw the 30 for 30 piece you learned how pissed the Fab Five were about not being able to afford the merch the schools and sneaker companies were banking off their brand. They all said, “fuck the NCAA” and became the godfathers of the early bounce.

Nostalgia is a weird thing

fuck jalen jose and chris webber. i couldn't afford shit in high school/college either. i got waitlisted at UM because of these or smiliar fuckwads. explotation is everywhere and if people can use it to make money they will. there may be educators that teach in universities but don't confuse that with the business side of many administrations. that side trumps everything

[GambleBotsChafedPenis]

interesting article on yahoo co-authored by forde...I like his shit so figured i'd post...

https://sports.yahoo.com/black-marke...030605930.html

from the article:

On Aug. 29 of 2016, Dawkins writes in an email with the subject line “Morning Update” that former NBA coach and current Los Angeles Clippers executive Lawrence Frank is going to connect Pasternack with Andy Miller that week. (Andy Miller and Frank are childhood friends from New Jersey.) Dawkins writes that Pasternack recruited Markkanen: “He is saying that hes [sic] not in place with [NBA agent Dan] Fegan,” Dawkins wrote of Pasternack. “Vye, if you have to make a call to these guys the kid that they want from me is Brian Bowen.” He goes on to encourage Vye, a veteran ASM agent, to build a relationship with Markkanen’s father. “Arizona will do pretty much whatever we ask of them right now, until my kid decides on a school.”

so yeah these agents/runners are trading these kids around like they're fucking whores...we (the ASM agency) get markkanen from AZ and AZ gets the commit from bowen (think he was a top 10 recruit in his class)...

[hongkonger]

Hate is the correct play Mulva. We just need to channel it correctly.

The one and done is an NBA rule. Nothing to do with college.

By way of example, the really elite high school baseball kids are drafted to the MLB minor leagues. Think Kershaw. No college. I have a feeling the basketball progression is going to be this.

The allusion to 80’s & 90’s was thought provoking in this context. I remember the Michigan Fab Five. None of those kids would play College in my new model. Their talent was clear and the NBA would draft out of high school.

If you saw the 30 for 30 piece you learned how pissed the Fab Five were about not being able to afford the merch the schools and sneaker companies were banking off their brand. They all said, “fuck the NCAA” and became the godfathers of the early bounce.

Nostalgia is a weird thing

fuck jalen jose and chris webber. i couldn't afford shit in high school/college either. i got waitlisted at UM because of these or smiliar fuckwads. explotation is everywhere and if people can use it to make money they will. there may be educators that teach in universities but don't confuse that with the business side of many administrations. that side trumps everything

You weren't waitlisted because of athletes. Their admissions are handled in a separate process that has nothing to do with regular admissions. The money is in a separate pot too. The super rich athletics departments sure aren't sharing the wealth with those dorky people who do the work that makes a university a university.

[ErickAA]

fuck jalen jose and chris webber. i couldn't afford shit in high school/college either. i got waitlisted at UM because of these or smiliar fuckwads. explotation is everywhere and if people can use it to make money they will. there may be educators that teach in universities but don't confuse that with the business side of many administrations. that side trumps everything

You weren't waitlisted because of athletes. Their admissions are handled in a separate process that has nothing to do with regular admissions. The money is in a separate pot too. The super rich athletics departments sure aren't sharing the wealth with those dorky people who do the work that makes a university a university.

I think the high level basketball and football programs bring a lot of value to the schools in different ways, if not financially. Also, my understanding is they help fund the money losing sports.

But yeah, the idea you got waitlisted at a school because a full scholarship athlete took your spot is pretty LOL.