** OFFICIAL ISIS THREAD ***

[ToasterOven]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the video.

That knife was easily an inch deep in his throat before they cut away. TBH, that was the part that bothered me the most. Looked extremely painful to the point where he started to stand up to try and ease it. Asshole did the sawing method with a small knife. Fucking brutal.

Also, that video was recorded very recently according to everything I've seen and heard. They made references to recent events, and Sotloff's hair and facial hair was in line with the amount that would have grown in the time since the first video.

The cut away scene now is definitely a tactic of sorts. Not sure what exactly... Maybe it's a way to look more professional for recruitment purposes, maybe it's a way to get more people to watch the video knowing they won't actually see someone get their head sawed off... Who the Hell knows... All I know is it's fucking awful no matter how you slice it.

They already had an expert on tv say that the beheading was fake. The only used the guy in the video because he spoke english, but he wasnt the actual beheader.

I know they're lying to these guys and telling them to read this bullshit and we wont kill you, but theres no way Id read that shit. No fucking way. If your man enough to go over there knowing the risks involved then be man enough to go out like a man.

Foley was abducted in 2012, so you have no idea what he went through for a couple of years, you stupid arm chair faggot.

[vegas1369]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the video.

That knife was easily an inch deep in his throat before they cut away. TBH, that was the part that bothered me the most. Looked extremely painful to the point where he started to stand up to try and ease it. Asshole did the sawing method with a small knife. Fucking brutal.

Also, that video was recorded very recently according to everything I've seen and heard. They made references to recent events, and Sotloff's hair and facial hair was in line with the amount that would have grown in the time since the first video.

The cut away scene now is definitely a tactic of sorts. Not sure what exactly... Maybe it's a way to look more professional for recruitment purposes, maybe it's a way to get more people to watch the video knowing they won't actually see someone get their head sawed off... Who the Hell knows... All I know is it's fucking awful no matter how you slice it.

They already had an expert on tv say that the beheading was fake. The only used the guy in the video because he spoke english, but he wasnt the actual beheader.

I know they're lying to these guys and telling them to read this bullshit and we wont kill you, but theres no way Id read that shit. No fucking way. If your man enough to go over there knowing the risks involved then be man enough to go out like a man.

I never watched the first video, but I did watch the second one in the OP. Instead of listening to "experts", go ahead and watch it yourself and tell me how he isn't the guy doing the killing.

[cmoney]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the video.

That knife was easily an inch deep in his throat before they cut away. TBH, that was the part that bothered me the most. Looked extremely painful to the point where he started to stand up to try and ease it. Asshole did the sawing method with a small knife. Fucking brutal.

Also, that video was recorded very recently according to everything I've seen and heard. They made references to recent events, and Sotloff's hair and facial hair was in line with the amount that would have grown in the time since the first video.

The cut away scene now is definitely a tactic of sorts. Not sure what exactly... Maybe it's a way to look more professional for recruitment purposes, maybe it's a way to get more people to watch the video knowing they won't actually see someone get their head sawed off... Who the Hell knows... All I know is it's fucking awful no matter how you slice it.

They already had an expert on tv say that the beheading was fake. The only used the guy in the video because he spoke english, but he wasnt the actual beheader.

I know they're lying to these guys and telling them to read this bullshit and we wont kill you, but theres no way Id read that shit. No fucking way. If your man enough to go over there knowing the risks involved then be man enough to go out like a man.

I agree. I also agree with the US not paying ransom. It isnt like ISIS came to the USA and jacked our citizens. They knew the risks, and even though it fucking sucks, this is what can happen when you do a job like this. Same thing with the aid workers. It is very admirable what they are doing, but I think a lot of them are naive to the evils of the world.

[Sanlmar]

If that part of the world had experienced a little economic prosperity, do you think this religious fanaticism would have reached this threshold?

Money trumps religion.

When you got no cash and no prospects religion fills the void.

I cannot believe I am plowing throw this book - A Distant Mirror. themes include the folly of chivalry, religion and the tragedy of war

NY Bestseller back in the day. Life in the 14th century. Shit never changes.

[Walter Sobchak]

also this is what these fucking nutjobs are claiming their 5 year plan is for expansion...

I Loled at Spain being on the map. It is fitting though, as they are probably the country with the most pussies in the EU.

Not France?

[Walter Sobchak]

I'm guessing you didn't watch the video.

That knife was easily an inch deep in his throat before they cut away. TBH, that was the part that bothered me the most. Looked extremely painful to the point where he started to stand up to try and ease it. Asshole did the sawing method with a small knife. Fucking brutal.

Also, that video was recorded very recently according to everything I've seen and heard. They made references to recent events, and Sotloff's hair and facial hair was in line with the amount that would have grown in the time since the first video.

The cut away scene now is definitely a tactic of sorts. Not sure what exactly... Maybe it's a way to look more professional for recruitment purposes, maybe it's a way to get more people to watch the video knowing they won't actually see someone get their head sawed off... Who the Hell knows... All I know is it's fucking awful no matter how you slice it.

They already had an expert on tv say that the beheading was fake. The only used the guy in the video because he spoke english, but he wasnt the actual beheader.

I know they're lying to these guys and telling them to read this bullshit and we wont kill you, but theres no way Id read that shit. No fucking way. If your man enough to go over there knowing the risks involved then be man enough to go out like a man.

You would so fucking read it, and you'd be shitting your pants while you did. As would anybody on this board.

[Walter Sobchak]

That is what I am saying, somehow try to get them isolated and separate from the non savages and then just level the entire fucking area where they are at.

A lot of people throw out nuking a country or people as a sort of joke. I actually believe we may need to nuke the fuck out of them. If we do our standard solution of firing missiles over there from planes or drones it is simply going to piss them off and create more martyrs and more terror attacks. Millions may die, but this evil is so great, and has so much potential to threaten modern society, it may have to be done. If they had the technology they would do it to us in a heart beat.

Nuking is a good way to destroy a city and kill everyone in it but it's probably not an effective way to hit a diffuse group spread over a huge area with very little identifiable infrastructure. It would also contaminate the whole planet. Just 1 of today's nukes is 1000x bigger than Hiroshima.

To get rid of these fuckers you draft a couple million soldiers, send them all in and go house to house. If we arent willing to man up and do that the problem will not be solved.

[Baron Von Strucker]

fuel up the plane Chubbs, just to ease the tension baby

[Dan Druff]

The first video had no blood at all.

The second one had a little bit, but still not convincing enough to make me believe that's when the beheading occurred.

Notice that the videos actually have production value. They weren't just shot with a cheapo camera and uploaded to the net. They have the "static" at the beginning as Obama speaks, and then do a "fake TV turn off" effect at the end. I'm not saying it's amazingly complicated stuff, but the videos have enough production quality to where both murders could have been faked for the camera, and then actually committed later.

We will see if there's a 3rd video where they provide some kind of proof of when they were filmed, such as one of the hostages saying the date and the prior day's news headlines. Steve Sotloff saying, "By now you know who I am" is meaningless, because that would be easy to predict given the first video's earlier release.

[jsearles22]

The first video had no blood at all.

The second one had a little bit, but still not convincing enough to make me believe that's when the beheading occurred.

Notice that the videos actually have production value. They weren't just shot with a cheapo camera and uploaded to the net. They have the "static" at the beginning as Obama speaks, and then do a "fake TV turn off" effect at the end. I'm not saying it's amazingly complicated stuff, but the videos have enough production quality to where both murders could have been faked for the camera, and then actually committed later.

We will see if there's a 3rd video where they provide some kind of proof of when they were filmed, such as one of the hostages saying the date and the prior day's news headlines. Steve Sotloff saying, "By now you know who I am" is meaningless, because that would be easy to predict given the first video's earlier release.

Im confused about why any of this matters. So there is a shot of the dead dude with his own head sitting on his chest? So they clearly murdered him. Does it actually matter if the murder appeared just after the video cut off, or at some other point? I mean they killed him and lopped his head off. Does anyone care if they humanely gave him a shot and he just fell asleep and then they decapitated him after he was dead? Is the outrage really over whether or not they sawed his head off with a rusty spoon or not? I think the fact that they MURDERED these guys is enough isnt it, regardless of the manner?

[ToasterOven]

The first video had no blood at all.

The second one had a little bit, but still not convincing enough to make me believe that's when the beheading occurred.

Notice that the videos actually have production value. They weren't just shot with a cheapo camera and uploaded to the net. They have the "static" at the beginning as Obama speaks, and then do a "fake TV turn off" effect at the end. I'm not saying it's amazingly complicated stuff, but the videos have enough production quality to where both murders could have been faked for the camera, and then actually committed later.

We will see if there's a 3rd video where they provide some kind of proof of when they were filmed, such as one of the hostages saying the date and the prior day's news headlines. Steve Sotloff saying, "By now you know who I am" is meaningless, because that would be easy to predict given the first video's earlier release.

Im confused about why any of this matters. So there is a shot of the dead dude with his own head sitting on his chest? So they clearly murdered him. Does it actually matter if the murder appeared just after the video cut off, or at some other point? I mean they killed him and lopped his head off. Does anyone care if they humanely gave him a shot and he just fell asleep and then they decapitated him after he was dead? Is the outrage really over whether or not they sawed his head off with a rusty spoon or not? I think the fact that they MURDERED these guys is enough isnt it, regardless of the manner?

I agree. But the question is about "enough". Enough for what? The debate in this country is reminding me of 2001-2. The morons scream, "Go get them" and the government is all aboard with the war machine. Everyone agrees that ISIS is terrible, barbaric and murderous, but I've yet to hear if they pose an actual threat to America. We've already put soldiers back in Iraq, albeit not that many. How many more is acceptable? Even fucking Rand Paul has changed his tune and is open to military action.

[jsearles22]

Im confused about why any of this matters. So there is a shot of the dead dude with his own head sitting on his chest? So they clearly murdered him. Does it actually matter if the murder appeared just after the video cut off, or at some other point? I mean they killed him and lopped his head off. Does anyone care if they humanely gave him a shot and he just fell asleep and then they decapitated him after he was dead? Is the outrage really over whether or not they sawed his head off with a rusty spoon or not? I think the fact that they MURDERED these guys is enough isnt it, regardless of the manner?

I agree. But the question is about "enough". Enough for what? The debate in this country is reminding me of 2001-2. The morons scream, "Go get them" and the government is all aboard with the war machine. Everyone agrees that ISIS is terrible, barbaric and murderous, but I've yet to hear if they pose an actual threat to America. We've already put soldiers back in Iraq, albeit not that many. How many more is acceptable? Even fucking Rand Paul has changed his tune and is open to military action.

When I used the word enough, I was strictly meaning enough to cause outrage. I dont dare speak to what the results of that outrage will be. I was all for war after 9/11. Ive grown tired of it though. We cant be the world police. But at the same time if we have the resources to stop people from being treated heinously, how do we stand by and do nothing? Its a fine line that will be debated for eternity.

[El Gallo]

Shooting a bunch of people and dropping a bunch of bombs actually makes the situation worse. For every one terrorist you kill, 20 more replace him. We rarely kill terrorists without also killing 50 times more innocent civilians, which is going to piss off fathers, sons and uncles. You leave them with broken cities and no where to turn but radical religion promising them salvation and a way to avenge their families deaths. These people are starving a great number of the time, these militants offer food, protection, family and a sense of belonging... all things are bombs took away from them.

What we need to do is change an ideology. That an eye for an eye is not conducive to a prosperous society. It could take 2 generations, maybe 3.... but just wiping them out is not the answer. Religion is even scarier when you have no hope.... we have created a breeding ground for despair, hatred and hopelessness even worse than they had before. I don't have the exact answers, but I can say for certain that dropping bombs and killing more innocent people is not the answer... so at least in my mind we can cross that off the list.

[patience]

A lot of people throw out nuking a country or people as a sort of joke. I actually believe we may need to nuke the fuck out of them. If we do our standard solution of firing missiles over there from planes or drones it is simply going to piss them off and create more martyrs and more terror attacks. Millions may die, but this evil is so great, and has so much potential to threaten modern society, it may have to be done. If they had the technology they would do it to us in a heart beat.

Nuking is a good way to destroy a city and kill everyone in it but it's probably not an effective way to hit a diffuse group spread over a huge area with very little identifiable infrastructure. It would also contaminate the whole planet. Just 1 of today's nukes is 1000x bigger than Hiroshima.

To get rid of these fuckers you draft a couple million soldiers, send them all in and go house to house. If we arent willing to man up and do that the problem will not be solved.

No need for soldiers when you have drones. Those days are coming to an end.

[tyde]

Shooting a bunch of people and dropping a bunch of bombs actually makes the situation worse. For every one terrorist you kill, 20 more replace him. We rarely kill terrorists without also killing 50 times more innocent civilians, which is going to piss off fathers, sons and uncles. You leave them with broken cities and no where to turn but radical religion promising them salvation and a way to avenge their families deaths. These people are starving a great number of the time, these militants offer food, protection, family and a sense of belonging... all things are bombs took away from them.

What we need to do is change an ideology. That an eye for an eye is not conducive to a prosperous society. It could take 2 generations, maybe 3.... but just wiping them out is not the answer. Religion is even scarier when you have no hope.... we have created a breeding ground for despair, hatred and hopelessness even worse than they had before. I don't have the exact answers, but I can say for certain that dropping bombs and killing more innocent people is not the answer... so at least in my mind we can cross that off the list.

the answer is to demolish all of them through whatever means necessary

Islam is a cancer to the well-being of humanity

I've been all over the middle east (Jordan, Egypt, the U.A.E. and Oman)

the entire region is fucking cursed

lol @ 'religion of peace'

fanatical fucks need to be exterminated for the well being of the planet

I have no problem at all with our government/army unleashing the wrath of God on these baboons

[Lord of the Fraud]

Been in mid east for last couple weeks and locals are pretty spooked by the brutality of these fuckers and can't say I blame em.

Reckon the inevitable war with Isis could last decades too.

Also if you're sending the nukes over then wait until after the weekend please. Thanks

[Walter Sobchak]

Nuking is a good way to destroy a city and kill everyone in it but it's probably not an effective way to hit a diffuse group spread over a huge area with very little identifiable infrastructure. It would also contaminate the whole planet. Just 1 of today's nukes is 1000x bigger than Hiroshima.

To get rid of these fuckers you draft a couple million soldiers, send them all in and go house to house. If we arent willing to man up and do that the problem will not be solved.

No need for soldiers when you have drones. Those days are coming to an end.

There is no substitute for boots on the ground, and there never will be.

[NaturalBornHustler]

No need for soldiers when you have drones. Those days are coming to an end.

There is no substitute for boots on the ground, and there never will be.

Would you support boots on the ground to destroy these motherfuckers?

[DirtyB]

If that part of the world had experienced a little economic prosperity, do you think this religious fanaticism would have reached this threshold?

Money trumps religion.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia disagrees.

[yaahello]

http://topinfopost.com/2014/09/05/is...-likely-staged