Boxing Thread

[TheXFactor]

Pacquiao has very little say over his career. He's Bob Arum's boy. Guy literally makes no decision whatsoever. I don't think it's a Mayweather/Pacquiao thing. I never have. I 100% believe that it's a Mayweather/Arum thing. And I believe that Arum knows what the outcome would be, and that's why he doesn't want his boy in with Mayweather. When Mayweather was a Top Rank fighter, Arum would routinely say "I've been around them all, Floyd's the best I've ever seen". It wasn't until Floyd left Arum, that he started "ducking" Top Rank fighters. Arum has been robbing Pacquiao blind for some time now. I mean, 6 fight, $75 million contract? For the 2nd biggest name in boxing? That's absurd. Pacquiao brings in a LOT more than that.

Maidana isn't an 11/1 dog. Mayweather is 11/1 favorite. Maidana is 7/1. And he's only 7/1 against Mayweather. He'd be 4-1 against Pacquiao. It's not that Maidana is so bad, it's that Mayweather is so good. I mean, Canelo is a very high risk fight for ANYONE in boxing right now. He's considered a "cherry pick" for Mayweather. He's held to a pretty high standard (admittedly, he brings it on himself with all this "TBE" shit).

As unlikely as it is, it wouldn't break my heart to see Maidana knock him out. I like Maidana a lot. And I've always wanted to see how Mayweather would act in defeat. I think he would be surprisingly humble.

I hope you're not serious. Its clear you dont like Arum but noboddy tells MP anything. If he wants to fight someone they will do what he says and make it happen.

Second part isnt true either. The great thing about MP is hes a huge draw win or lose. Hes not undefeated like MM. The only one concerned about losing is MM. If MM really cared about TBE he would demand a fight with MP, but he only cares about making money and whos to blame him.

Pacquiao has fought tougher fighters than Mayweather has.

The reason Arum doesn't want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather is not because he believes that Mayweather is the better boxer. It's because Mayweather has cost Arum money and has tried to steal away some of his boxers.

Arum hates Mayweather's guts.

But honestly it's too late to make Mayweather versus Pacquiao, the fight should've been made back in 2010 or 2011.

If Arum can't deal with MGM to host his fights, he will lose tens of millions of dollars.
Arum decided to fuck off MGM officials, because he saw billboards promoting Mayweather vs Maidana at the last Pacquiao fight at the MGM Grand.

Good riddance to Bob Arum, he has fucked over more boxers than Don King.

[JMM]

I hope you're not serious. Its clear you dont like Arum but noboddy tells MP anything. If he wants to fight someone they will do what he says and make it happen.

Second part isnt true either. The great thing about MP is hes a huge draw win or lose. Hes not undefeated like MM. The only one concerned about losing is MM. If MM really cared about TBE he would demand a fight with MP, but he only cares about making money and whos to blame him.

Pacquiao has fought tougher fighters than Mayweather has.

The reason Arum doesn't want Pacquiao to fight Mayweather is not because he believes that Mayweather is the better boxer. It's because Mayweather has cost Arum money and has tried to steal away some of his boxers.

Arum hates Mayweather's guts.

But honestly it's too late to make Mayweather versus Pacquiao, the fight should've been made back in 2010 or 2011.

If Arum can't deal with MGM to host his fights, he will lose tens of millions of dollars.
Arum decided to fuck off MGM officials, because he saw billboards promoting Mayweather vs Maidana at the last Pacquiao fight at the MGM Grand.

Good riddance to Bob Arum, he has fucked over more boxers than Don King.

The hatred that Arum has for Mayweather is kind of what I'm talking about. He despises Mayweather, and there's not a chance in hell that he wants to feed Pacquiao to Mayweather and ultimately lose this battle to him once and for all. Instead, he can keep recycling Top Rank fighters, keep Manny winning, and keep people thinking that Mayweather is "afraid" of Pacquiao. Arum isn't concerned with Pacquiao losing, he's concerned with Pacquiao losing to Mayweather.

I hate to say it, but boxing as a whole might be better off after Uncle Bob is DD.

[JMM]

Pacquiao has very little say over his career. He's Bob Arum's boy. Guy literally makes no decision whatsoever. I don't think it's a Mayweather/Pacquiao thing. I never have. I 100% believe that it's a Mayweather/Arum thing. And I believe that Arum knows what the outcome would be, and that's why he doesn't want his boy in with Mayweather. When Mayweather was a Top Rank fighter, Arum would routinely say "I've been around them all, Floyd's the best I've ever seen". It wasn't until Floyd left Arum, that he started "ducking" Top Rank fighters. Arum has been robbing Pacquiao blind for some time now. I mean, 6 fight, $75 million contract? For the 2nd biggest name in boxing? That's absurd. Pacquiao brings in a LOT more than that.

Maidana isn't an 11/1 dog. Mayweather is 11/1 favorite. Maidana is 7/1. And he's only 7/1 against Mayweather. He'd be 4-1 against Pacquiao. It's not that Maidana is so bad, it's that Mayweather is so good. I mean, Canelo is a very high risk fight for ANYONE in boxing right now. He's considered a "cherry pick" for Mayweather. He's held to a pretty high standard (admittedly, he brings it on himself with all this "TBE" shit).

As unlikely as it is, it wouldn't break my heart to see Maidana knock him out. I like Maidana a lot. And I've always wanted to see how Mayweather would act in defeat. I think he would be surprisingly humble.

I hope you're not serious. Its clear you dont like Arum but noboddy tells MP anything. If he wants to fight someone they will do what he says and make it happen.

Second part isnt true either. The great thing about MP is hes a huge draw win or lose. Hes not undefeated like MM. The only one concerned about losing is MM. If MM really cared about TBE he would demand a fight with MP, but he only cares about making money and whos to blame him.

Of course I'm serious. I didn't say that Manny couldn't have any say. I said that he doesn't. His response is ALWAYS "it depends on my promoter, Bob Arum". Pacquiao never goes to Arum and says "I want this guy, make it happen". It's just not what he does. Could he? Absolutely. Will he? Nope.

Again, Arum isn't concerned with Pacquiao losing. Arum is concerned with him losing to Mayweather. And he would.

So I guess, I hope you're not serious when you say "Nobody tells Pacquiao what to do", because that's EXACTLY what Bob Arum does.

[simpdog]

Lol Lil wayne trying to get in a boxing match back stage.

Snapedit: It's really too bad he didn't get his ass handed to him.

[ShadyJ]

I hope you're not serious. Its clear you dont like Arum but noboddy tells MP anything. If he wants to fight someone they will do what he says and make it happen.

Second part isnt true either. The great thing about MP is hes a huge draw win or lose. Hes not undefeated like MM. The only one concerned about losing is MM. If MM really cared about TBE he would demand a fight with MP, but he only cares about making money and whos to blame him.

Of course I'm serious. I didn't say that Manny couldn't have any say. I said that he doesn't. His response is ALWAYS "it depends on my promoter, Bob Arum". Pacquiao never goes to Arum and says "I want this guy, make it happen". It's just not what he does. Could he? Absolutely. Will he? Nope.

Again, Arum isn't concerned with Pacquiao losing. Arum is concerned with him losing to Mayweather. And he would.

So I guess, I hope you're not serious when you say "Nobody tells Pacquiao what to do", because that's EXACTLY what Bob Arum does.

So you're taking his responses to the media as what goes on behind the scenes? Bullshit if he really wanted to fight mayweather I guarantee you the only person on the planet who could stop it is Mayweather himself. I agree with whoever said its too late kinda because even though it would have been better to see 2-3 years ago it would still be the biggest fight in boxing history at least the modern era.

Neither one of these guys want to fight each other for different reasons, but if they did it would happen I guarantee you that regardless of anyone working for them.

[JMM]

Of course I'm serious. I didn't say that Manny couldn't have any say. I said that he doesn't. His response is ALWAYS "it depends on my promoter, Bob Arum". Pacquiao never goes to Arum and says "I want this guy, make it happen". It's just not what he does. Could he? Absolutely. Will he? Nope.

Again, Arum isn't concerned with Pacquiao losing. Arum is concerned with him losing to Mayweather. And he would.

So I guess, I hope you're not serious when you say "Nobody tells Pacquiao what to do", because that's EXACTLY what Bob Arum does.

So you're taking his responses to the media as what goes on behind the scenes? Bullshit if he really wanted to fight mayweather I guarantee you the only person on the planet who could stop it is Mayweather himself. I agree with whoever said its too late kinda because even though it would have been better to see 2-3 years ago it would still be the biggest fight in boxing history at least the modern era.

Neither one of these guys want to fight each other for different reasons, but if they did it would happen I guarantee you that regardless of anyone working for them.

If Pacquiao had very much say, he wouldn't be getting ripped off like he is. I mean, he's still making a ton of money, but he could be making a LOT more. I just can't imagine why he would be cutting himself so short.

I do agree that neither of them want to fight very badly, though. Mayweather is gonna clear damn near 70 million for Maidana. Cleared just as much for Canelo. I'm not shocked he's not rushing to fight Pacquiao. And as long as 500-700k people are gonna pay to see Pacquiao beat up on the same Top Rank fighters, they won't be in any rush either.

[Shizzmoney]

Betting the 12 round decision is becoming very +EV in these big time, "main event" fights, even with the big juice now. It's free money with the way these guys fight now.

I've taken the last four Floyd fights and the Rios-PacMan fight (which was a +175 underdog to go the distance, despite Rios having one of the best chins I have ever seen in combat sports!). I dunno when this trend stops, but riding the train for now!

[ShadyJ]

So you're taking his responses to the media as what goes on behind the scenes? Bullshit if he really wanted to fight mayweather I guarantee you the only person on the planet who could stop it is Mayweather himself. I agree with whoever said its too late kinda because even though it would have been better to see 2-3 years ago it would still be the biggest fight in boxing history at least the modern era.

Neither one of these guys want to fight each other for different reasons, but if they did it would happen I guarantee you that regardless of anyone working for them.

If Pacquiao had very much say, he wouldn't be getting ripped off like he is. I mean, he's still making a ton of money, but he could be making a LOT more. I just can't imagine why he would be cutting himself so short.

I do agree that neither of them want to fight very badly, though. Mayweather is gonna clear damn near 70 million for Maidana. Cleared just as much for Canelo. I'm not shocked he's not rushing to fight Pacquiao. And as long as 500-700k people are gonna pay to see Pacquiao beat up on the same Top Rank fighters, they won't be in any rush either.

He lives in the Phillipines hes probably the equivalent of a billionaire there. Mannys a huge draw but not close to MM. Plus MM owns everything so hes going to make more. Like he said on all access I know how to make money. The guy knows how to make money cant argue that.

[ErickAA]

I was watching the fight and the way the fight went I thought 116-112 Mayweather was fair. However, I think the outcome could have been very different if the ref had let Maidana work through Mayweather holds, instead of always separating them. In many of the close rounds Mayweather had periods he was trapped against the ropes so he basically hugged Maidana and got a quick separation. Maidana seemed willing to keep punching and try to work through the holds, and I kinda feel the ref should have let him.

Ironically, I saw Mayweather actually criticized the ref saying he didn't separate them quick enough when they got "tied up" (which was him really just grabbing Maidana when he got in trouble).

[ErickAA]

Like he said on all access I know how to make money. The guy knows how to make money cant argue that.

Does he know how to hold onto money? With the lifestyle and gambling would be interesting to see what his net worth is. Probably less than most would guess.

[ErickAA]

Betting the 12 round decision is becoming very +EV in these big time, "main event" fights, even with the big juice now. It's free money with the way these guys fight now.

I've taken the last four Floyd fights and the Rios-PacMan fight (which was a +175 underdog to go the distance, despite Rios having one of the best chins I have ever seen in combat sports!). I dunno when this trend stops, but riding the train for now!

I donno. If you bet Pac and Mayweather in their last 10 fights to win by any decision you would have gone 6-4 with Pac and 8-2 with Money. With the odds I would be surprised if you were ahead very much at all. Seems like you might be a little swayed by short term variance.

If you had specified UD you probably would have done even worse as there were multiple split decisions due to what most believe was very bad judging.

[JMM]

I was watching the fight and the way the fight went I thought 116-112 Mayweather was fair. However, I think the outcome could have been very different if the ref had let Maidana work through Mayweather holds, instead of always separating them. In many of the close rounds Mayweather had periods he was trapped against the ropes so he basically hugged Maidana and got a quick separation. Maidana seemed willing to keep punching and try to work through the holds, and I kinda feel the ref should have let him.

Ironically, I saw Mayweather actually criticized the ref saying he didn't separate them quick enough when they got "tied up" (which was him really just grabbing Maidana when he got in trouble).

Weeks did a fantastic job considering how the fight was going. For the most part, he let them fight it out. Technically, when they clinch, he's supposed to break them up. Clinching is a part of boxing, sure, but it's his job to break it up.

Mayweather should have lost a point for excessive holding.

He also let Chino get away with A LOT. I mean, a lot of refs would have taken a point from him for the multiple low blows, and INSTANTLY taken a point for the attempted knee to the face. I mean, he brought his knee up, and tried to pull Mayweather's head down at the same time. Mix in over 50 attempted rabbit punches, and Maidana certainly should have lost at least one point.

Mayweather typically doesn't complain to the referee. Usually he just fights dirty himself. In this fight, I thought it was justified. As was Maidana's complaints of the excessive holding.

[JMM]

Like he said on all access I know how to make money. The guy knows how to make money cant argue that.

Does he know how to hold onto money? With the lifestyle and gambling would be interesting to see what his net worth is. Probably less than most would guess.

There was an article in ESPN's "Fighting" edition of their magazine where a guy spent a week with Mayweather. He said he went to the ATM with him, and caught a glimpse of his ATM receipt. Said it was over $100 million.

Seems like it'd be more than that considering he ends up making like $70 million per fight.

[Wiganer]

Does he know how to hold onto money? With the lifestyle and gambling would be interesting to see what his net worth is. Probably less than most would guess.

There was an article in ESPN's "Fighting" edition of their magazine where a guy spent a week with Mayweather. He said he went to the ATM with him, and caught a glimpse of his ATM receipt. Said it was over $100 million.

Seems like it'd be more than that considering he ends up making like $70 million per fight.

It is conceivable he has money in more than one account.

[JMM]

There was an article in ESPN's "Fighting" edition of their magazine where a guy spent a week with Mayweather. He said he went to the ATM with him, and caught a glimpse of his ATM receipt. Said it was over $100 million.

Seems like it'd be more than that considering he ends up making like $70 million per fight.

It is conceivable he has money in more than one account.

Yep, except that in the same article, Mayweather makes reference to "keeping it all in one account"

[vegas1369]

It is conceivable he has money in more than one account.

Yep, except that in the same article, Mayweather makes reference to "keeping it all in one account"

Confirmed. I saw him on 24/7 say the same thing.

[JMM]

Yep, except that in the same article, Mayweather makes reference to "keeping it all in one account"

Confirmed. I saw him on 24/7 say the same thing.

What are the odds out there on this Stiverne/Arreola rematch tomorrow? Stiverne opened at +130, now sits at like -160 on 5dimes. He kicked the shit out of CA in the first fight.

[Wiganer]

[Belly Buster]

That's a hell of beatdown. Because of the shitty PPV rights the news can only show stills even after the fight - thanks for posting.

[JMM]

That's a hell of beatdown. Because of the shitty PPV rights the news can only show stills even after the fight - thanks for posting.

That little faint Froch used with his left is such an under used tool. Set him up beautifully.