The casings had the words "deny", "defend", and "depose".Originally Posted by sonatine
So unless this is a false lead meant to distract people from the identity of the actual killer, it is likely related to a decision made about a United Healthcare policyholder.
"deny" = deny authorization for some kind of expensive medical care
"defend" = defend the decision
"depose" = when sued about the matter, start deposing as many people as possible in order to make the decision look correct
My money is on that this was a disgruntled policy holder or someone they knew, who got fucked by denial of some crucial lifesaving coverage that should have probably been approved but wasn't.
I even told some people around me several months ago...its only a matter of time before some deranged lunatic kills a ceo or something in that order, of a big health insurance company that probably fucked them over or someone they love with denial of coverage.
I mean, come on... imo the writing was more or less on the wall for years.
At first I thought it was a professional hit, then I saw he was in a Starbucks on camera, a pro would not have done that. What is curious still is how he knew the CEO's schedule. It's clear the CEO was walking over to meet someone for breakfast at the Hilton before the conference started at 8am at the Hilton. You would have thought the CEO would have stayed at the Hilton out of convenience, but he was at a Marriott property across the street, that is very odd as well, usually the CEO would stay at a suite where the conference is, especially since its his company's investor conference. Also, the killer needed the element of darkness, so it was a limited window. Also, the CEO was being investigated for insider trading by the DOJ. I don't think this was a lone wolf, there had to be some coordination, only because he knew the CEO would be walking in the dark from across the street. Someone gave him his schedule.The casings had the words "deny", "defend", and "depose".
So unless this is a false lead meant to distract people from the identity of the actual killer, it is likely related to a decision made about a United Healthcare policyholder.
"deny" = deny authorization for some kind of expensive medical care
"defend" = defend the decision
"depose" = when sued about the matter, start deposing as many people as possible in order to make the decision look correct
Also, the killer's nose looks like a prosthetic.
Side note, there is a book with the same theme:
Here's my take on the situation.
I personally know a CEO for a major insurance carrier. He has for at least a decade had 24 hour security with him. His security goes with him everywhere. This is par for the course for similarly situated CEOs for other major insurance carriers.
It should noted be the meetings that the United CEO was attending included discussions about a merger/acquisition.
It should also be noted that the United Healthcare CEO was walking alone.
This is why I don't think it is related to a coverage denial. Whoever ordered the hit knew where he was going, knew his schedule, where would be staying, and the timing of his schedule.
I think it was a corporate/shareholder issue and not coverage related. The shell casings are there to throw off the investigators.
If the shooter turns up dead, then you know it was someone cleaning up the loose ends.
En boca cerrada, no entran moscas
It could be a reference to the book, to throw off investigators, write it on the casings, etc.. I am repeating myself, but it bears repeating. It is highly unusual for a CEO to not stay at the hotel where his own conference is being held and everyone is staying, but stays across the street instead. I have just never heard that before. Now maybe he was having a mistress come over and did not want to be spotted, or maybe something gay where he definitely did not want to be spotted. Either way, someone knew where he was staying, and his schedule of when he was going to walk across the street and show up at the Hilton. Someone had to know his schedule. Anyone random who knew of the conference, would have to assume he was staying at the Hilton and would have followed him to his suite.
Another thing to consider, given the DOJ investigation, maybe the CEO staged his own murder to make sure his family got a massive insurance policy? Unlikely, yes, but not improbable if he knew the FEDs were closing in. It's just odd a CEO would be walking to conference at 6:45am with nothing in hand, when he could have had a presidential suite at that very hotel his own conference was at. That is just bizarre. He also apparently was offered private security and refused it. And where was his staff, you would think a couple colleagues would have walked with him. I've know several CEOs and at these conferences they have like entourages. Plus, I know midtown very well, the only way you could have got away with this is in the early morning when it was dark. If it were light, or 7pm a night no way, the place is just mobbed. Something is really off here.
this is a compelling thesis..
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
This is the only good take so far. Everything else is hilariously bad. The person went to Starbucks. They wanted to be seen. Probably because they look nothing like what they appear to look like and wanted LE to chase a ghost. If they paid with a card, it will lead to a dead end.
My read is this was a professional hit for business reasons and they are using the angry ex-customer as a red herring.
The fact they haven't caught this person already given he was seen at Starbucks leads me to believe that was an intentional decoy from a professional.
I'd be shocked if that wasn't some kind of prosthetic nose or mask.
I don’t have Facebook but I think United Health made a post and it was responded to with nearly 20,000 laughing emojis. On boomer Facebook
Whether it was a customer or business partner kinda matters not wit when all is said and done imo
Who Done It is far less interesting to me than the sociology of the public response.
But yeah, the guy has a big nose
Given the pictures of the unmasked shooter now on Drudge (effeminate looking and thin), and given the fact the CEO was staying at a different hotel then where his own conference was being held, and given the fact someone had to know his schedule when he was walking by at 6:40am, I am going back to my original prognosis, this was almost assuredly homosexual related. This just sounds like a jilted male lover at this point, which is why he "dropped" bullet casings with language on them that looked like he was a disgruntled policy holder. He was obviously disgruntled, but not a policy holder.
UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was facing DOJ probe for insider trading when he was killed in targeted NYC shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/12/04/us-new...rading-report/
I'm sure UnitedHealth Group chairman Stephen Helmsley is 100% not guilty.UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson was one of several senior executives at the company under investigation by the Department of Justice when he was gunned down outside a Manhattan hotel on Wednesday.
Thompson — who was killed in what police called a targeted shooting outside the Hilton hotel in Midtown — exercised stock options and sold shares worth $15.1 million on Feb. 16, less than two weeks before news of the federal antitrust probe went public, according to a Crain’s New York Business report from April.
The stock price dropped sharply after the revelation that the DOJ was investigating whether the company had made acquisitions that consolidated its market position in violation of antitrust laws, a source familiar with the probe told the outlet.
Thompson’s stock options reportedly had several years until expiration, and the sale of shares was his first since assuming the helm of parent company UnitedHealth’s insurance division in 2021.
Thompson, 50, along with UnitedHealth Group chairman Stephen Helmsley, chief people officer Erin McSweeney and chief accounting officer Tom Roos, sold a combined $101.5 million in shares, with Helmsley personally netting just shy of $85 million, according to the report.
Charles Elson, founding director of the Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware, told Crain’s that share sales by firm principals are typically scrutinized by a company’s general counsel, who can determine whether any additional disclosures to the market may be required before the trades are executed.
Earlier this year, UnitedHealth was hit by one of the largest health care data breaches in US history, the company estimating that as many as one-third of Americans’ private data — potentially including Social Security numbers — were compromised in the ransomware attack.
The company wound up paying the hackers a $22 million ransom, CEO Andrew Witty told a congressional panel in May.
The massive firm — with annual revenue of around $372 billion — later said it estimated its financial cost as a result of the hack to be around $705 million, Reuters reported.
This is interesting..
"The executives were being investigated after netting a combined $101.5 million from stock sales over four months before the public became aware of a federal antitrust investigation. Thompson exercised stock options and sold shares worth $15.1 million on Feb. 16, less than two weeks before news of the federal antitrust probe went public. Helmsley personally netted just shy of $85 million."
Hmmm Ransomware
Don’t you need to leave a calling card if you are murdering for failure to pay or is the doubt enough for the object of future attacks.
This story is gonna consume the nation for more than a few hours
One hard lesson most executive managers never learned- Dont fuck people over. Thats why USPS workers "go postal" and other shoot their lawyers and kill others in general. Strengthen your moral/ethical compass and use it.
What Can You Do About It?
Shoot the CEO in the back with a World War 2 pistol?
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