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    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    The notion Jill could sway him is likely wrong. From my experience, men in decline will listen to adult sons, rarely wives.

    Trump pretty much lied with every word last night, but he was smart in reading the situation. He wasn't typical Trump. He recognized Biden was dead after 2 minutes and was calm and composed by Trump standards.
    Pay closer attention. Jill is the driving force behind Joe not retiring.

    Trump lies? Let's go over the lies you didn't notice. You know, the Biden lies. Lies are the one thing Joe excelled at in the debate.

    Suckers and losers lie
    Hitler did good things lie
    Fine people lie
    My son died in Iraq lie
    I capped insulin at $15 lie
    I capped medicaid drug expenses at $200
    Retaliation lie
    Trump said he would be dictator lie
    No soldiers died on my watch lie
    Border crossings fewer than Trump lie
    Unemployment was 15% under Trump lie
    Trump wants to get rid of Social Security lie
    Billionaires pay 8.2% in taxes lie
    Trump said inject bleach lie
    Border patrol endorsed me lie

    What was hysterically funny is the border patrol union immediately released a statement saying they never have and never will endorse Biden.

    Here's some more dem lies:

    Biden is not in cognitive decline
    Crime is down in major cities
    Lowest inflation rate in years
    Nobody is above the law
    Joe wasn't involved in Hunter's scandals
    The border is secure

    All lies by the lying liars called democrats.
    POKER FAG ALERT! FOR BLOW JOBS SEE SLOPPY JOE, SONATINE AND BCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post
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    If they replace him, it would have to be Kamala Harris. What, are you going do parachute a white guy in over the first black female VP in history, of the Democratic party? Never happen. Dems will bank on this will blow over and hope Biden will give an acceptable performance at the Convention. But bringing in Gavin Newsome, not only would that not happen, if he lost his career would be destroyed as the guy that muscled out the first female black VP. He will stay away from that and bank on 2028. It's Biden or Harris.
    Newsom wouldn't do it, but they are absolutely opening the door. This would be a little different than typical Democrat shenanigans since it's a sitting President, but your CNN panel talking point will mean nothing if this gets much worse. Have you forgotten the 2016 and 2008 primaries? Nothing is off the table with Democrats when it comes to the assumed best interest of the party. Kamala isn't viewed as black enough by the vast majority of those who that decision would actually affect. She herself is actually a liability among black voters. If you can not clearly see the coordinated campaign that started 10 seconds after the debate ended you are blind. They have laid the foundation, if Biden's situation gets worse something drastic will happen.
    LOL, how many black voters do you know? It's a rhetorical question. Kamala is a rock star with the abortionists, progressive left, BLM and anything left of center. She has a deep following with 80% of the Democratic party.

    There is no coordinated campaign to move against Biden, they (whoever 'they' is) absolutely cannot remove a sitting President of their own party. So that is out, he has nearly 1400 out of 1400 pledged delegates, no nobody is going to make a move on a sitting President of their own party based on a terrible debate.

    Now, Biden can quit, sure. But then he will be remembered as the guy who got knocked out by Trump and he would never allow that on his legacy, and obviously his wife would never allow it. She after all is in on every White House decision, and she is drunk on power.

    In the rare event Biden does step down, if they don't anoint the first black female VP, she almost certainly would quit the ticket and the party would be forever fractured. She was duly elected like Biden and to kick her to the side and put in someone white would be a catastrophe for the Democratic party.

    You are conflating primaries with a general election. Primaries are dirty business, look at John McCain. War hero, Senator, blah blah blah. The Bush campaign the week before the SC primary in 2000 sent out thousands of mailers he fathered a black kid. But when you get to the general, its all about unity and that is not changing based on one Biden debate.

    If Biden quits it's going to Harris. Now I hope your theory is right and a group of 5 people kick Biden and Harris to the curb because Trump would win by 10 points and the Dems would be fractured for a decade. But I think that is a 1% chance, and no you are not the smartest man in the room. Biden is smart politically and especially his wife. They know in a couple weeks this will be forgotten and the whole focus will be on Trump, his sentencing and the Republican convention. Like the Access Hollywood tape in 2016 when Republicans were hyperventilating Trump needed to quit, it passed on the next news cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by VaughnP View Post

    Newsom wouldn't do it, but they are absolutely opening the door. This would be a little different than typical Democrat shenanigans since it's a sitting President, but your CNN panel talking point will mean nothing if this gets much worse. Have you forgotten the 2016 and 2008 primaries? Nothing is off the table with Democrats when it comes to the assumed best interest of the party. Kamala isn't viewed as black enough by the vast majority of those who that decision would actually affect. She herself is actually a liability among black voters. If you can not clearly see the coordinated campaign that started 10 seconds after the debate ended you are blind. They have laid the foundation, if Biden's situation gets worse something drastic will happen.
    LOL, how many black voters do you know? It's a rhetorical question. Kamala is a rock star with the abortionists, progressive left, BLM and anything left of center. She has a deep following with 80% of the Democratic party.

    There is no coordinated campaign to move against Biden, they (whoever 'they' is) absolutely cannot remove a sitting President of their own party. So that is out, he has nearly 1400 out of 1400 pledged delegates, no nobody is going to make a move on a sitting President of their own party based on a terrible debate.

    Now, Biden can quit, sure. But then he will be remembered as the guy who got knocked out by Trump and he would never allow that on his legacy, and obviously his wife would never allow it. She after all is in on every White House decision, and she is drunk on power.

    In the rare event Biden does step down, if they don't anoint the first black female VP, she almost certainly would quit the ticket and the party would be forever fractured. She was duly elected like Biden and to kick her to the side and put in someone white would be a catastrophe for the Democratic party.

    You are conflating primaries with a general election. Primaries are dirty business, look at John McCain. War hero, Senator, blah blah blah. The Bush campaign the week before the SC primary in 2000 sent out thousands of mailers he fathered a black kid. But when you get to the general, its all about unity and that is not changing based on one Biden debate.

    If Biden quits it's going to Harris. Now I hope your theory is right and a group of 5 people kick Biden and Harris to the curb because Trump would win by 10 points and the Dems would be fractured for a decade. But I think that is a 1% chance, and no you are not the smartest man in the room. Biden is smart politically and especially his wife. They know in a couple weeks this will be forgotten and the whole focus will be on Trump, his sentencing and the Republican convention. Like the Access Hollywood tape in 2016 when Republicans were hyperventilating Trump needed to quit, it passed on the next news cycle.
    And for the record, I hope Biden does quit, I really do, then it will finally put the Dems to the test on race and gender equality with regards to Harris. No longer will it be lip service, it will be their actions in real time for the country to watch.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    And for the record, I hope Biden does quit, I really do, then it will finally put the Dems to the test on race and gender equality with regards to Harris. No longer will it be lip service, it will be their actions in real time for the country to watch.
    Really my only reason for sprinkling Meghan Whitmore. She’s the only way they can exit Kamala imo.

    I will be intrigued to see the plush landing spot Kamala is gifted in the private sector in return for her cooperation.

     
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    harris is a brick and if the dems put up anyone who isnt a late middle age white male, no one will take them seriously ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    And for the record, I hope Biden does quit, I really do, then it will finally put the Dems to the test on race and gender equality with regards to Harris. No longer will it be lip service, it will be their actions in real time for the country to watch.
    Really my only reason for sprinkling Meghan Whitmore. She’s the only way they can exit Kamala imo.

    I will be intrigued to see the plush landing spot Kamala is gifted in the private sector in return for her cooperation.
    LOL. Her and Pete would be an unstoppable force.

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    to be clear i like harris as a person but shes even less electable than hillary for reasons id just assume not get into on this site.
    "Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky

    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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    One more point, Biden has $200M in his war chest. The only candidate that has access to that type of money is Kamala Harris since she it part of the ticket. The money cannot be transferred to say Gavin, it would violate campaign finance laws. So if they nominate someone in August outside Kamala, they would have to raise money from scratch. Let's say you raised $100M say mid September and declared it? How would you spend it? All the TV spots, radio spots, billboards, etc.. would already be taken up. Trump obviously would never debate the new candidate to give them any oxygen. They would simply have no advertising, no platform, etc.. Nobody outside CA knows who Gavin Newsome is, who was like a sliver of being recalled as Governor. The Dems would be spending every waking hour trying to get all the ballots changed. By the time the yard signs got printed and distributed early voting would be done.

    It's Biden or Harris.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    harris is a brick and if the dems put up anyone who isnt a late middle age white male, no one will take them seriously ever again.
    The gravelly voice and abortion stance can be overlooked by DNC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    to be clear i like harris as a person but shes even less electable than hillary for reasons id just assume not get into on this site.
    I can't stand Biden, but he does have an outside shot. Stay low, give canned rallys in July and read completely off the telepromter, he does that well. Then put on a great convention, and here again give a pre-written speech off the teleprompter. Show energy. Then cancel the debate with Trump saying he won't debate a 'liar'. If he does that, come November you hope inflation has cooled and Trump has an October surprise his way or something. You have a chance. Getting rid of Biden in August at the convention, it's a certain loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    to be clear i like harris as a person but shes even less electable than hillary for reasons id just assume not get into on this site.
    I can't stand Biden, but he does have an outside shot. Stay low, give canned rallys in July and read completely off the telepromter, he does that well. Then put on a great convention, and here again give a pre-written speech off the teleprompter. Show energy. Then cancel the debate with Trump saying he won't debate a 'liar'. If he does that, come November you hope inflation has cooled and Trump has an October surprise his way or something. You have a chance. Getting rid of Biden in August at the convention, it's a certain loss.

    against an actual politician id say all this is fairly on the nose but people would vote in a rocky and bullwinkle ticket to keep trump from turning the US into a christian autocracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post

    I can't stand Biden, but he does have an outside shot. Stay low, give canned rallys in July and read completely off the telepromter, he does that well. Then put on a great convention, and here again give a pre-written speech off the teleprompter. Show energy. Then cancel the debate with Trump saying he won't debate a 'liar'. If he does that, come November you hope inflation has cooled and Trump has an October surprise his way or something. You have a chance. Getting rid of Biden in August at the convention, it's a certain loss.

    against an actual politician id say all this is fairly on the nose but people would vote in a rocky and bullwinkle ticket to keep trump from turning the US into a christian autocracy.
    not necessarily enough of the to get the electoral votes but you get the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    against an actual politician id say all this is fairly on the nose but people would vote in a rocky and bullwinkle ticket to keep trump from turning the US into a christian autocracy.
    not necessarily enough of the to get the electoral votes but you get the idea.
    You look at it from the MSNBC prism which has like 1M viewers a night from blue states. Getting rid of the Biden Harris ticket this late, you would lose a decent portion of the Dem voting base. Only because they would be like WTF is going on. What would be the odds of a Republican victory if the leadership replaced Trump with Nikki Haley? You would have historically low turnout and she would get blown out.

    You can't be the party about protecting democracy, then Biden quits and you dump the duly elected VP by presumably a bunch of men. I can't even fathom Obama would go along with that, so almost certainly be white men making that decision. Seriously, the real question would be if Hillary Clinton were the VP would this even be the conversation? That is the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tgull View Post
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    not necessarily enough of the to get the electoral votes but you get the idea.
    You look at it from the MSNBC prism which has like 1M viewers a night from blue states. Getting rid of the Biden Harris ticket this late, you would lose a decent portion of the Dem voting base. Only because they would be like WTF is going on. What would be the odds of a Republican victory if the leadership replaced Trump with Nikki Haley? You would have historically low turnout and she would get blown out.

    You can't be the party about protecting democracy, then Biden quits and you dump the duly elected VP by presumably a bunch of men. I can't even fathom Obama would go along with that, so almost certainly be white men making that decision. Seriously, the real question would be if Hillary Clinton were the VP would this even be the conversation? That is the issue.

    i see your point but im really not sure any of this is true.
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    Biden's term has been a success. Compared to Trump's term it has been a clear success. Trump has a personality disorder that has led to
    felony convictions for perpetual fraud and sexual assault.

    It also led to charges against the state when he stole top secret documents after losing the presidency.

    Replacing Biden with a parrot is better than giving a convicted thief, a sexual offender and traitor the keys to the office

    These truths are not lost on the average person.
    Trump's convictions have been front and centre
    through every medium.
    He is done. Few disregard such a track record

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    this is what you faggots do on saturdays?

     
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    the oldies are not goodies.
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    "America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs

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