Lot of poker players are sick after playing WYNN tournament

[OK2]

Thats what happens with such a thing and no masks. Vaccine might help with symptoms and possibly make you asymptomatic but masks would have cut down on transmissions considerably. Sad. People hanging out for a week catch it early on then give it to a whole new group of people who sit across from them. Table changes of a tournment compound this as you are going to be exposed to more people.

The 'vaccines' certainly didn't reduce transmission at all

Something Pfizer never tested for but LIED about along with all the other faggot tyrants throughout this bullshit. The only basis for any ethical argument for mandates. BASED ON A LIE. Then came more LIES. Followed by more LIES. While any skeptic who it turns out was RIGHT was labelled an antivaxx conspiracy theorist misinformation spreader.



Admit you were lied to about so much of this or continue to be mocked, or shut the fuck up.

finis?

Nah you gobbled down a lot of bullshit.

Your opinion is redundant trash, get another booster without the social/financial coercion this time or are you done?

[donkdowndonedied]

Thats what happens with such a thing and no masks. Vaccine might help with symptoms and possibly make you asymptomatic but masks would have cut down on transmissions considerably. Sad. People hanging out for a week catch it early on then give it to a whole new group of people who sit across from them. Table changes of a tournment compound this as you are going to be exposed to more people.

The 'vaccines' certainly didn't reduce transmission at all

Something Pfizer never tested for but LIED about along with all the other faggot tyrants throughout this bullshit. The only basis for any ethical argument for mandates. BASED ON A LIE. Then came more LIES. Followed by more LIES. While any skeptic who it turns out was RIGHT was labelled an antivaxx conspiracy theorist misinformation spreader.



Reading is fundamental. Why don't ya get ya some?

Admit you were lied to about so much of this or continue to be mocked, or shut the fuck up.

finis?

Nah you gobbled down a lot of bullshit.

Your opinion is redundant trash, get another booster without the social/financial coercion this time or are you done?

[OK2]

The 'vaccines' certainly didn't reduce transmission at all

Something Pfizer never tested for but LIED about along with all the other faggot tyrants throughout this bullshit. The only basis for any ethical argument for mandates. BASED ON A LIE. Then came more LIES. Followed by more LIES. While any skeptic who it turns out was RIGHT was labelled an antivaxx conspiracy theorist misinformation spreader.



Reading is fundamental. Why don't ya get ya some?

Admit you were lied to about so much of this or continue to be mocked, or shut the fuck up.

finis?

Nah you gobbled down a lot of bullshit.

Your opinion is redundant trash, get another booster without the social/financial coercion this time or are you done?

Brilliant points you've made sir.

[donkdowndonedied]

I had a heart attack in November, 2019, was in intensive care for 18 days. Then covid hit the next March. I was recuperating from a heart attack during the heaviest part of the pandemic.

My doctors were warning the shit out of me. So I quarantined up for a few months but when Montana opened back up in MAY, 2020, I said fuck this shit. I ain't fucking hanging around here looking at four walls. I started going out doing whatever I wanted to do.

When the vaccine came out my doctors insisted I get the shots because they said I was high risk. So I got the shots, 4 of them.

About 6 months ago I developed a sore throat and runny nose. Didn't really feel bad. It was more annoying than anything. But I had a couple home test kits for covid. I tested positive. I waited until the next day and tested positive again.

I called my Primary and told her I tested positive with a home test kit. She asked if I was sick. I said no. She said to quarantine and if I get sick go to the hospital. So I rode out the five day quarantine.

At my next checkup she asked me how sick I got from covid. I said I didn't really get sick, just had a runny nose and scratchy throat for a couple days.

First words out of her mouth were "The vaccines saved you."

I don't know who the fuck to believe.

No one knows. That is the whole problem. It is an incredibly difficult problem to figure out. The conspiracy nonsense is the worst. "Moving goal posts". "Everyone going to die of cancer! Just wait and see!". Ad nauseum. I'll take the side of the smart guys who got where they are in life by being smart vs Joe Schmoo's opinion on the internet.

[donkdowndonedied]

Brilliant points you've made sir.

Barely paid attention and my text was placed in wrong part of post but it is even more accurate than before.

[donkdowndonedied]

Prove it

I'll wait

Repeating things you decided are true doesn't make it so. Wearing a mask might have some NEGATIVE health implications, ever thought of that? Probably not because you don't actually know. You outsource your decisions to an authority, they've been shown to be lying about a lot of things.

So go fuck yourself faggot

Prove you're not a loser.

I'll wait.

Of course I've heard the shit about the negative health implications of the mask. Everything in life has some form of a downside but yea I thought of it because I've seen tons of fucking idiots use it as one of their talking points?

[OK2]

I had a heart attack in November, 2019, was in intensive care for 18 days. Then covid hit the next March. I was recuperating from a heart attack during the heaviest part of the pandemic.

My doctors were warning the shit out of me. So I quarantined up for a few months but when Montana opened back up in MAY, 2020, I said fuck this shit. I ain't fucking hanging around here looking at four walls. I started going out doing whatever I wanted to do.

When the vaccine came out my doctors insisted I get the shots because they said I was high risk. So I got the shots, 4 of them.

About 6 months ago I developed a sore throat and runny nose. Didn't really feel bad. It was more annoying than anything. But I had a couple home test kits for covid. I tested positive. I waited until the next day and tested positive again.

I called my Primary and told her I tested positive with a home test kit. She asked if I was sick. I said no. She said to quarantine and if I get sick go to the hospital. So I rode out the five day quarantine.

At my next checkup she asked me how sick I got from covid. I said I didn't really get sick, just had a runny nose and scratchy throat for a couple days.

First words out of her mouth were "The vaccines saved you."

I don't know who the fuck to believe.

No one knows. That is the whole problem. The conspiracy nonsense is the worst. "Moving goal posts". "Everyone going to die of cancer! Just wait and see!". Ad nauseum. I'll take the side of the smart guys who got where they are in life by being smart vs Joe Schmoo's opinion on the internet.

Like I said, you outsource your thinking to those who get served up as 'the smart guys' when plenty of equally/even moreso credentialed smart guys were against it. You're just so stupid and lazy that you'll never realize this though so this is the last time i'll mock you ok? You're a fucking reject. I wasn't right by accident. I'm better at understanding this obviously and made better decisions than you. Fuck you.

[OK2]

Prove it

I'll wait

Repeating things you decided are true doesn't make it so. Wearing a mask might have some NEGATIVE health implications, ever thought of that? Probably not because you don't actually know. You outsource your decisions to an authority, they've been shown to be lying about a lot of things.

So go fuck yourself faggot

Prove you're not a loser.

I'll wait.

Of course I've heard the shit about the negative health implications of the mask. Everything in life has some form of a downside but yea I thought of it because I've seen tons of fucking idiots use it as one of their talking points?

Prove I'm not a loser?



Why are you so desperate to compare lives?

Not the best strategy to heal your ego I am guessing. I'm pretty content but to indulge in your desperation is not something I care to do.

[OK2]

I had a heart attack in November, 2019, was in intensive care for 18 days. Then covid hit the next March. I was recuperating from a heart attack during the heaviest part of the pandemic.

My doctors were warning the shit out of me. So I quarantined up for a few months but when Montana opened back up in MAY, 2020, I said fuck this shit. I ain't fucking hanging around here looking at four walls. I started going out doing whatever I wanted to do.

When the vaccine came out my doctors insisted I get the shots because they said I was high risk. So I got the shots, 4 of them.

About 6 months ago I developed a sore throat and runny nose. Didn't really feel bad. It was more annoying than anything. But I had a couple home test kits for covid. I tested positive. I waited until the next day and tested positive again.

I called my Primary and told her I tested positive with a home test kit. She asked if I was sick. I said no. She said to quarantine and if I get sick go to the hospital. So I rode out the five day quarantine.

At my next checkup she asked me how sick I got from covid. I said I didn't really get sick, just had a runny nose and scratchy throat for a couple days.

First words out of her mouth were "The vaccines saved you."

I don't know who the fuck to believe.

No one knows. That is the whole problem. It is an incredibly difficult problem to figure out. The conspiracy nonsense is the worst. "Moving goal posts". "Everyone going to die of cancer! Just wait and see!". Ad nauseum. I'll take the side of the smart guys who got where they are in life by being smart vs Joe Schmoo's opinion on the internet.

You're fucking blind obviously. Blatant corruption and medical fraud is what happened. Then you frame my position as 'everyones going to die of cancer'

You're a disingenuous retard, fuck off with your bullshit. enjoy your mRNA. You're clearly a stable and rational intellectual and not a scared and compliant faggot.

[Dan Druff]

I had a heart attack in November, 2019, was in intensive care for 18 days. Then covid hit the next March. I was recuperating from a heart attack during the heaviest part of the pandemic.

My doctors were warning the shit out of me. So I quarantined up for a few months but when Montana opened back up in MAY, 2020, I said fuck this shit. I ain't fucking hanging around here looking at four walls. I started going out doing whatever I wanted to do.

When the vaccine came out my doctors insisted I get the shots because they said I was high risk. So I got the shots, 4 of them.

About 6 months ago I developed a sore throat and runny nose. Didn't really feel bad. It was more annoying than anything. But I had a couple home test kits for covid. I tested positive. I waited until the next day and tested positive again.

I called my Primary and told her I tested positive with a home test kit. She asked if I was sick. I said no. She said to quarantine and if I get sick go to the hospital. So I rode out the five day quarantine.

At my next checkup she asked me how sick I got from covid. I said I didn't really get sick, just had a runny nose and scratchy throat for a couple days.

First words out of her mouth were "The vaccines saved you."

I don't know who the fuck to believe.

No one knows. That is the whole problem. It is an incredibly difficult problem to figure out. The conspiracy nonsense is the worst. "Moving goal posts". "Everyone going to die of cancer! Just wait and see!". Ad nauseum. I'll take the side of the smart guys who got where they are in life by being smart vs Joe Schmoo's opinion on the internet.

Normally I would say that, yes, we should trust the accredited experts over armchair internet science analysts.

However, given how political COVID became, and given all the misinformation on both sides, it was difficult to trust these "experts". Sure, they had the best academic background to understand the issue, but I felt many allowed their politics to cloud their judgment.

The scientific community is largely left-wing. Those who aren't left wing basically have to hide their politics in order for it not to hurt their career, especially when it comes to COVID matters. Thus, even subconsciously, it was much more beneficial for these scientists to conclude what the left/media wanted them to conclude, rather than study the problem from a completely unbiased perspective.

Why was natural immunity ignored during talk of vaccine mandates? All available evidence suggested (and still suggests) that real COVID is better than the vaccine in preventing both future infection and hospitalization, and that's also true across all other viruses for which vaccines exist. However, if you dared bring up natural immunity as a reason you should be excused from any vaccine requirements, you were treated like a pariah who didn't care about killing people. This is one of many examples of the media/scientific community either pushing misinformation or suppressing relevant information.

The "experts" were also surprisingly quiet when it came to the age-stratified COVID danger. The narrative we were told was that COVID was dangerous to everyone, but moreso to the elderly. Rarely did you hear that middle-aged people were in much more danger than young people, because they were afraid to have poor vaccine compliance among children and young adults. Therefore, the lie (or at least lie-by-omission) was pushed that lots of healthy people were dying of COVID in every age group, thus everyone should take the vaccine. It was bullshit, and they knew it. The entire way, 99% of deaths were people over 35, and now that number is approaching 100%. Children were never dying from COVID, unless they had major preexisting conditions. This information was intentionally suppressed by the experts and establishment media.

I will not deny the fact that many right wingers were terrible and unscientific regarding COVID. That always bothered me. There was plenty on the left to criticize without needing to go the anti-vax or "COVID isn't a big deal" route.

But today we are seeing a rewriting of history that the left was just trying to follow the science and get the correct info out there, and right wing agitators were using social media to trick people into not masking and not vaxxing, thus killing hundreds of thousands of extra people. That's not anywhere close to the full story.

[Dan Druff]

And mickey, there's no way to know if the vaccine saved your life.

However, I can say with certainty that a man your age with existing health problems was FAR more likely to die of COVID than the vaccine. It wasn't even close. We're talking about orders of magnitude of difference.

Elderly people who refused the vaccine in 2020-21 had a death wish. That was the demographic which should have had 100% vaccination, even if the vaccine carried risks.

My age group (49 years old at the time) was also one where the benefits of the vax far outweighed the downsides. Today, that may not be true, given that Omicron is killing almost nobody under 65. But back in 2020-21, taking the vax was the right move, and I laugh at anyone who ignores the statistics which prove otherwise.

I also took four shots. Unless something changes, I will not be taking a fifth. I definitely don't regret the first 3 -- as those were in the age of original and Delta COVID, which had the potential to kill me. The fourth shot, which I got in May 2022, was the only questionable shot I took. However, I mainly did that in order to avoid a WSOP infection, which I ended up getting anyway. However, it's possible the vax helped me, as my case was extremely mild.

[donkdowndonedied]

Responding to Druff ->

Normally I would say that, yes, we should trust the accredited experts over armchair internet science analysts.

However, given how political COVID became, and given all the misinformation on both sides, it was difficult to trust these "experts". Sure, they had the best academic background to understand the issue, but I felt many allowed their politics to cloud their judgment.

You can trust them to the extent that they believe what they believe because it is likely the closest thing to scientific consensus at the time.

The scientific community is largely left-wing. Those who aren't left wing basically have to hide their politics in order for it not to hurt their career, especially when it comes to COVID matters. Thus, even subconsciously, it was much more beneficial for these scientists to conclude what the left/media wanted them to conclude, rather than study the problem from a completely unbiased perspective.

I agree with the first part of this but what are these conclusions that became mainstream and were significantly false? There was the original talk to try and keep people from hoarding masks over the medical profession but that was exceedingly minor and only at hte very very start

Why was natural immunity ignored during talk of vaccine mandates? All available evidence suggested (and still suggests) that real COVID is better than the vaccine in preventing both future infection and hospitalization, and that's also true across all other viruses for which vaccines exist. However, if you dared bring up natural immunity for a reason you should be excused from any vaccine requirements, you were treated like a pariah who didn't care about killing people. This is one of many examples of the media/scientific community either pushing misinformation or suppressing relevant information.

Natural immunity would only occur after you caught it? Mandates were almost rarely a government thing. As long as mandates are done by private entities then I don't have much problem with it. I feel private entities should have that right and government should stay out.

Besides, a big part of this was to keep the medical profession from just giving up as the hospitals were inundated.


The "experts" were also surprisingly quiet when it came to the age-stratified COVID danger. The narrative we were told was that COVID was dangerous to everyone, but moreso to the elderly. Rarely did you hear that middle-aged people were in much more danger than young people, because they were afraid to have poor vaccine compliance among children and young adults. Therefore, the lie (or at least lie-by-omission) was pushed that lots of healthy people were dying of COVID in every age group, thus everyone should take the vaccine. It was bullshit, and they knew it. The entire way, 99% of deaths were people over 35, and now that number is approaching 100%. This information was intentionally suppressed by the experts and establishment media.

I don't disagree but if you scratched even the surface of this thing it was clear as day. This is far from some big conspiracy cover-up. Not sure who "they" is in the above.

But today we are seeing a rewriting of history that the left was just trying to follow the science and get the correct info out there, and right wing agitators were using social media to trick people into not masking and not vaxxing, thus killing hundreds of thousands of extra people. That's not anywhere close to the full story.

No, not the full story but the full story is never heard and what you just said isn't particularly inaccurate.

[Dan Druff]

Normally I would say that, yes, we should trust the accredited experts over armchair internet science analysts.

However, given how political COVID became, and given all the misinformation on both sides, it was difficult to trust these "experts". Sure, they had the best academic background to understand the issue, but I felt many allowed their politics to cloud their judgment.

You can trust them to the extent that they believe what they believe because it is likely the closest thing to scientific consensus at the time.

You cannot trust them if they are presenting biased findings in a highly politically charged matter. I saw just about zero evidence that left wing scientists were ever willing to go against the narrative that Democrats wanted presented.

The scientific community is largely left-wing. Those who aren't left wing basically have to hide their politics in order for it not to hurt their career, especially when it comes to COVID matters. Thus, even subconsciously, it was much more beneficial for these scientists to conclude what the left/media wanted them to conclude, rather than study the problem from a completely unbiased perspective.

I agree with the first part of this but what are these conclusions that became mainstream and were significantly false? There was the original talk to try and keep people from hoarding masks over the medical profession but that was exceedingly minor and only at hte very very start

Huh? I just presented two conclusions/implications from the mainstream media which were false -- ignoring natural immunity and that everyone was at significant risk.

The masking thing was also a lie. There were never any credible stories that cloth masks were effective, but the left/media presented them as the difference between safety and recklessness. I always laughed at haughty liberals who got together indoors in large groups in the pre-vax 2020 days, but they cited, "Don't worry, we were all masking!" as evidence as to why they were being safe.

The public legitimately believed that if you wore a mask, and if everyone else wore a mask, your chance of getting COVID was very low. This was completely false, and no studies backed it.

Why was natural immunity ignored during talk of vaccine mandates? All available evidence suggested (and still suggests) that real COVID is better than the vaccine in preventing both future infection and hospitalization, and that's also true across all other viruses for which vaccines exist. However, if you dared bring up natural immunity for a reason you should be excused from any vaccine requirements, you were treated like a pariah who didn't care about killing people. This is one of many examples of the media/scientific community either pushing misinformation or suppressing relevant information.

Natural immunity would only occur after you caught it? Mandates were almost rarely a government thing. As long as mandates are done by private entities then I don't have much problem with it. I feel private entities should have that right and government should stay out.

Besides, a big part of this was to keep the medical profession from just giving up as the hospitals were inundated.

You could not enter the US for a long time if you were a foreigner and were unvaccinated. You're correct that was there was no government mandated vax requirement, but many private companies did this because the "experts" recommended it. Nobody was given an exception for natural immunity, which was absurd. The scientific establishment and Democratic politicians refused to even discuss the value of natural immunity. You had to get the vax anyway, even if you just recently had COVID, in order to continue working many jobs, and in order to enter many businesses. This was a result of misinformation.

The "experts" were also surprisingly quiet when it came to the age-stratified COVID danger. The narrative we were told was that COVID was dangerous to everyone, but moreso to the elderly. Rarely did you hear that middle-aged people were in much more danger than young people, because they were afraid to have poor vaccine compliance among children and young adults. Therefore, the lie (or at least lie-by-omission) was pushed that lots of healthy people were dying of COVID in every age group, thus everyone should take the vaccine. It was bullshit, and they knew it. The entire way, 99% of deaths were people over 35, and now that number is approaching 100%. This information was intentionally suppressed by the experts and establishment media.

I don't disagree but if you scratched even the surface of this thing it was clear as day. This is far from some big conspiracy cover-up. Not sure who "they" is in the above.

"They" means the media, left wing social media influencers, and Democratic politicians. You might have known this, but the vast majority of Americans did not. It was widely believed that COVID was a big killer of people of all ages, but worse for the elderly. I can't tell you how many people were shocked (on both the left and right) when I would cite the statistics of deaths in the 40-49 age group versus the 20-29 age group. Almost nobody knew that 99% of deaths were people over 35 -- a very telling statistic given that people 0-34 comprised about 43% of the population. Seemingly every day there was a headline on CNN about a healthy 23-year-old dying from COVID. These were never presented as extreme outliers, but rather as a panicky warning to all young people not taking COVID seriously.

But today we are seeing a rewriting of history that the left was just trying to follow the science and get the correct info out there, and right wing agitators were using social media to trick people into not masking and not vaxxing, thus killing hundreds of thousands of extra people. That's not anywhere close to the full story.

No, not the full story but the full story is never heard and what you just said isn't particularly inaccurate.

I'd say that the left was very inaccurate when presenting the COVID narrative. See above.

There were many more inaccuracies. For example, there was a lot of denial of vaccine risks. The myocarditis concern was haughtily dismissed, and the "experts" were talking down to anyone who asked, insisting that the myocarditis danger from COVID was greater than the vaccine. End of story. End of conversation. Now it has come out that the Moderna vaccine had a 6x greater myocarditis in males 18-25 compared to catching COVID -- and this was the demographic which really didn't need to be vaccinated in the first place. You were silenced and shouted down if you dared say this in 2021. When women complained that the vaccine was disrupting their menstrual cycle, it was stated that this was right-wing misinformation. Indeed, today they are admitting that the vaccine does temporarily disrupt the menstrual cycle of many women. It was so common that there's no way they didn't know this. They just told so-called "noble lies" to get everyone to shut up and take the vaccine.

As I said, you can't trust the COVID experts. They are tainted by politiics.

[Dan Druff]

Here is a good article by left-center journalist Faye Flam, regarding COVID misinformation: https://t.co/8XloZ9YXRZ

The headline of the article is critical of Ron Desantis, accusing him of exploiting the situation for political gain. Obviously the author is no right winger!

However, a lot of the article also calls out the left for its own misinformation, and how it eroded public trust. Her point was that the "experts" and left wing media were caught lying so many times that they can't complain when right wingers don't believe them. She then concludes that some right wing politicians are exploiting that (justified) lack of trust in order to push their own misinformation.

Here's one passage from it:

Despite the success of these vaccines, misleading messaging from public health experts and from the White House has created confusion that’s left fertile ground for DeSantis’s disingenuous and self-serving maneuvers.

It’s well past time to talk honestly about the downsides of the Covid-19 vaccines. They don’t do much to prevent people from getting mild cases of the current variants. They don’t do much to stem community transmission. And like all pharmaceuticals, they’re not perfectly safe. Booster mandates for young people amount to safety theater (free rapid tests would do a lot more to keep college students from infecting their grandparents or professors).

This point has been missing in most of the "COVID misinformation" narrative. But I've been making it forever. You can't expect the public to "trust the science" if the people disseminating the conclusions are clearly going along with a political agenda, and have been caught in multiple lies and omissions.

Once you have made the decision to lie to the public "for their own good", you have lost their trust forever.

[donkdowndonedied]

Here is a good article by left-center journalist Faye Flam, regarding COVID misinformation: https://t.co/8XloZ9YXRZ

The headline of the article is critical of Ron Desantis, accusing him of exploiting the situation for political gain. Obviously the author is no right winger!

However, a lot of the article also calls out the left for its own misinformation, and how it eroded public trust. Her point was that the "experts" and left wing media were caught lying so many times that they can't complain when right wingers don't believe them. She then concludes that some right wing politicians are exploiting that (justified) lack of trust in order to push their own misinformation.

Here's one passage from it:

Despite the success of these vaccines, misleading messaging from public health experts and from the White House has created confusion that’s left fertile ground for DeSantis’s disingenuous and self-serving maneuvers.

It’s well past time to talk honestly about the downsides of the Covid-19 vaccines. They don’t do much to prevent people from getting mild cases of the current variants. They don’t do much to stem community transmission. And like all pharmaceuticals, they’re not perfectly safe. Booster mandates for young people amount to safety theater (free rapid tests would do a lot more to keep college students from infecting their grandparents or professors).

This point has been missing in most of the "COVID misinformation" narrative. But I've been making it forever. You can't expect the public to "trust the science" if the people disseminating the conclusions are clearly going along with a political agenda, and have been caught in multiple lies and omissions.

Once you have made the decision to lie to the public "for their own good", you have lost their trust forever.

TBH by now I have given up on being too concerned with COVID. The thing about these examples is that the complaints I am hearing from you were stated from the very beginning. Now that most everything has opened up, very few wearing masks, milder strains, less lecturing in general, better meds - I see very few suggestions and preaching from the leftwing media. I just don't see it. And previous to that it all seemed sensible. The biggest problem was likely the lack of talking about the downsides and studies on how often people get sick.

Also pretty sure leftwing media has talked plenty about how the vaccines aren't as effective against current strains. They don't go out of their way but there is no cover-up like being implied.

There is a whole movement towards being anti-science and it doesn't bode well for this country. I tend to not put too much stock in people who say "they". There is no single source of anything or any view.

[donkdowndonedied]

I'm going to outline my response. I'm too lazy to chop this up and format it.

You can trust them to the extent that they believe what they believe because it is likely the closest thing to scientific consensus at the time.

You cannot trust them if they are presenting biased findings in a highly politically charged matter. I saw just about zero evidence that left wing scientists were ever willing to go against the narrative that Democrats wanted presented.

I don't know who "them" is. Are we talking about government scientists? Academia scientists? Journalists? If so which ones? Most scientists don't say "I am leftwing" so I'm not sure. Most scientists who come up with the data are not the ones selecting what to cover or not in the media? The peer-reviewed studies are not that tainted by politics.

The scientific community is largely left-wing. Those who aren't left wing basically have to hide their politics in order for it not to hurt their career, especially when it comes to COVID matters. Thus, even subconsciously, it was much more beneficial for these scientists to conclude what the left/media wanted them to conclude, rather than study the problem from a completely unbiased perspective.

I agree with the first part of this but what are these conclusions that became mainstream and were significantly false? There was the original talk to try and keep people from hoarding masks over the medical profession but that was exceedingly minor and only at hte very very start

Huh? I just presented two conclusions/implications from the mainstream media which were false -- ignoring natural immunity and that everyone was at significant risk.

Ok, so the whole point was to avoid COVID to begin with until better treatments/medical care was available. So I guess your problem is that people who already had it shouldn't have to get the vax? So was it supposed to be an honor system where every anti-vaxxer can just readily lie about it? (Not like much prevented lying turns out) Not sure what you mean by everyone at significant risk?

The masking thing was also a lie. There were never any credible stories that cloth masks were effective, but the left/media presented them as the difference between safety and recklessness. I always laughed at haughty liberals who got together indoors in large groups in the pre-vax 2020 days, but they cited, "Don't worry, we were all masking!" as evidence as to why they were being safe.

I tend to agree with but I think they are effective to the degree that they slow your exhalation and keep the aerosols more localized. You hold liberals to a fairly narrow and high standard I see. You know, the haughty ones.

The public legitimately believed that if you wore a mask, and if everyone else wore a mask, your chance of getting COVID was very low. This was completely false, and no studies backed it.

I more or less agree with this.

Why was natural immunity ignored during talk of vaccine mandates? All available evidence suggested (and still suggests) that real COVID is better than the vaccine in preventing both future infection and hospitalization, and that's also true across all other viruses for which vaccines exist. However, if you dared bring up natural immunity for a reason you should be excused from any vaccine requirements, you were treated like a pariah who didn't care about killing people. This is one of many examples of the media/scientific community either pushing misinformation or suppressing relevant information.

I agree with this but what is the solution? Oh you said you had COVID so ok come'on in. (?) The tests for such a thing was never cheap or done at scale. The problem is if you go repeating that "if you've had it you don't need the vax" then it sorta leads to other issues but you're also right in that it really changes the risk equation for those who have had it.

Natural immunity would only occur after you caught it? Mandates were almost rarely a government thing. As long as mandates are done by private entities then I don't have much problem with it. I feel private entities should have that right and government should stay out.

Besides, a big part of this was to keep the medical profession from just giving up as the hospitals were inundated.

You could not enter the US for a long time if you were a foreigner and were unvaccinated. You're correct that was there was no government mandated vax requirement, but many private companies did this because the "experts" recommended it. Nobody was given an exception for natural immunity, which was absurd. The scientific establishment and Democratic politicians refused to even discuss the value of natural immunity. You had to get the vax anyway, even if you just recently had COVID, in order to continue working many jobs, and in order to enter many businesses. This was a result of misinformation.

If you have a mandate it is because people are avoiding something. Therefore they can't really be trusted or why have the mandate? It is amusing how much faith you feel we should have in those people or am I missing something?

The "experts" were also surprisingly quiet when it came to the age-stratified COVID danger. The narrative we were told was that COVID was dangerous to everyone, but moreso to the elderly. Rarely did you hear that middle-aged people were in much more danger than young people, because they were afraid to have poor vaccine compliance among children and young adults. Therefore, the lie (or at least lie-by-omission) was pushed that lots of healthy people were dying of COVID in every age group, thus everyone should take the vaccine. It was bullshit, and they knew it. The entire way, 99% of deaths were people over 35, and now that number is approaching 100%. This information was intentionally suppressed by the experts and establishment media.

I don't disagree but if you scratched even the surface of this thing it was clear as day. This is far from some big conspiracy cover-up. Not sure who "they" is in the above.

"They" means the media, left wing social media influencers, and Democratic politicians. You might have known this, but the vast majority of Americans did not. It was widely believed that COVID was a big killer of people of all ages, but worse for the elderly. I can't tell you how many people were shocked (on both the left and right) when I would cite the statistics of deaths in the 40-49 age group versus the 20-29 age group. Almost nobody knew that 99% of deaths were people over 35 -- a very telling statistic given that people 0-34 comprised about 43% of the population. Seemingly every day there was a headline on CNN about a healthy 23-year-old dying from COVID. These were never presented as extreme outliers, but rather as a panicky warning to all young people not taking COVID seriously.

There is far more nuance to this and when you lump EVERYONE in one side of the political and start labeling it as "they" then you typically lose your point. I'm not sure your take on it is all that accurate but yea leftwing media was definitely trying to scare people into take it. My guess is that younger people also had very fewer effects from the vaccine though?

But today we are seeing a rewriting of history that the left was just trying to follow the science and get the correct info out there, and right wing agitators were using social media to trick people into not masking and not vaxxing, thus killing hundreds of thousands of extra people. That's not anywhere close to the full story.

No, not the full story but the full story is never heard and what you just said isn't particularly inaccurate.

I'd say that the left was very inaccurate when presenting the COVID narrative. See above.

There were many more inaccuracies. For example, there was a lot of denial of vaccine risks. The myocarditis concern was haughtily dismissed, and the "experts" were talking down to anyone who asked, insisting that the myocarditis danger from COVID was greater than the vaccine. End of story. End of conversation. Now it has come out that the Moderna vaccine had a 6x greater myocarditis in males 18-25 compared to catching COVID -- and this was the demographic which really didn't need to be vaccinated in the first place. You were silenced and shouted down if you dared say this in 2021. When women complained that the vaccine was disrupting their menstrual cycle, it was stated that this was right-wing misinformation. Indeed, today they are admitting that the vaccine does temporarily disrupt the menstrual cycle of many women. It was so common that there's no way they didn't know this. They just told so-called "noble lies" to get everyone to shut up and take the vaccine.

As I said, you can't trust the COVID experts. They are tainted by politiics.

And most of the people on the other side are far more tainted by politics. IMO it isn't so much political per se just the left has a different view on how to approach things. A more collectivist approach.

There are many many claims from people on the right so it can be very hard to sort out the noise.

For example, I could easily take a ton of the weird beliefs people on the right had and throw them all under one umbrella. List them all out and talk about "them" as if they all share these same beliefs. I'd bet if you look at clearly conservative media you can find just as many inaccuracies and blind spots in their coverage . It just isn't the cause du jour of liberals to rant on about misleading media.

If you think all those kooky rightwing views should have been engaged with by serious people then that is where we will find no common ground.

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Fair enough Druff, I think you made a big mistake but you were logical about many other issues regarding it all in my view

My take from the start

There's a massive agenda behind this hysteria obviously, media is lying about the origin, this is going to body bag the old, obese and already compromised so put ALL resources to protect these people. They didn't follow logic, didn't recommend virtually cost free advice and rushed EXPERIMENTAL gene therapy COERCIVELY without informed consent or any data to support mandates at all. No child should have ever been given this unproven drug. Now excess deaths are spiking harder by a significant amount AFTER the 'vaccine' with a WEAKER variant and the 'experts' LIED about everything else they possibly could, damaged society irreversibly and made most people much poorer and desperate while the richest people on the planet gained trillions. There was a debate to be had and it was censored, lefty lunatics proclaimed they would never take the trump juice then did a 180 really quick, way to go team censor any dissent, oh so democratic. Exposed now for all to see.

Dr. Fauci predicts "surpise outbreak" Speaking at Georgetown University in 2017

https://rumble.com/v9397x-dr.-fauci-...-outbreak.html



SURPRISE!

First time I heard this fucking rat I knew he was not to be trusted. Conspiracy theorist is a cope for people too afraid to realize how sick in the head some of these people are and can't face reality, all of you that took it are human lab rats and if you didn't pressure or convince anyone else then good luck for real, if you did though I think you deserve to be in the excess mortality statistics you suddenly susan's

Better late than never

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Here is a good article by left-center journalist Faye Flam, regarding COVID misinformation: https://t.co/8XloZ9YXRZ

The headline of the article is critical of Ron Desantis, accusing him of exploiting the situation for political gain. Obviously the author is no right winger!

However, a lot of the article also calls out the left for its own misinformation, and how it eroded public trust. Her point was that the "experts" and left wing media were caught lying so many times that they can't complain when right wingers don't believe them. She then concludes that some right wing politicians are exploiting that (justified) lack of trust in order to push their own misinformation.

Here's one passage from it:

Despite the success of these vaccines, misleading messaging from public health experts and from the White House has created confusion that’s left fertile ground for DeSantis’s disingenuous and self-serving maneuvers.

It’s well past time to talk honestly about the downsides of the Covid-19 vaccines. They don’t do much to prevent people from getting mild cases of the current variants. They don’t do much to stem community transmission. And like all pharmaceuticals, they’re not perfectly safe. Booster mandates for young people amount to safety theater (free rapid tests would do a lot more to keep college students from infecting their grandparents or professors).

This point has been missing in most of the "COVID misinformation" narrative. But I've been making it forever. You can't expect the public to "trust the science" if the people disseminating the conclusions are clearly going along with a political agenda, and have been caught in multiple lies and omissions.

Once you have made the decision to lie to the public "for their own good", you have lost their trust forever.

Still disagree heavily on the juice but you articulate all the other relevant failures and the inevitable results of them far better than I ever have

Someone needed to balance out the 'settled science' with schizophrenic shit posting and I stepped up to take those swings at the plate

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Answer me this Druff - At the end of the day, do you think the far left covid nutbags are out of touch with reality as much as this OK2 guy?

Where do you think this person got their info?

Do you think such nonsense makes a better society?

The liberal misinformation has been put past us and people have evolved. Look at this thread's nut. Not so much.

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Answer me this Druff - At the end of the day, do you think the far left covid nutbags are out of touch with reality as much as this OK2 guy?

Where do you think this person got their info?

Do you think such nonsense makes a better society?

The liberal misinformation has been put past us and people have evolved. Look at this thread's nut. Not so much.

Out of touch with reality?



Society really thriving thanks to all your treasured 'experts' isn't it. Ignore all the lies, that's what you're good at.

You are a fucking joke, pretty much nobody wants to address upticks in literally everything. Covid is still swirling around bro, go get your booster! big pharma cares! Enjoy being behind AGAIN. Folded pretty hard on all your other tissue paper thick beliefs didn't ya?