But, he's not trolling. Just ask him.Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts
How rude!
But, he's not trolling. Just ask him.How rude!
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I guess there really is a sucker born every minute. Lol, you fags don't even know if he is actually playing. Excuse after excuse. I really wish I knew how much cash has been scammed from these boards. Gotta be 6 figures. Yet there is never a shortage of asshats willing to blindly send money with no way to verify results. Gotta love the internet.But, he's not trolling. Just ask him.
I have contacted every one of my investors...
I am not napping or avoiding anything, I have always stated that I am not available on weekends, that has been standard for me for 2 years now and will not be changing anytime soon...
Tomorrow I will go through this thread, pull out the questions and write a response to all of them.
In case that is not good enough for some of you I am happy to come on PFA radio and let Druff grill me on whatever he wants with no refusal to answer anything....
My investors are my top priority and I will make sure they are all comfortable with the situation first and foremost and after that I am happy to discuss anything else community wide.
I feel like their should be a response from 4Bet in this thread, O never mind
-Allergic to the struggle
Where are his online stats? I don't think I have seen them posted anywhere. Surely a self proclaimed winning poker player of 10+ years has an extensive online poker history.
I also see he ignores people who have brought up the identity theft issue. Sure he's got an excuse for that too. Seems like a solid guy.
So im confused, are you done whining now?Not going underground.... just no longer offering free entertainment and discussion for people who deserve nothing from me
I need a tl;dr on this thread because i'm not reading 19 pages of shit, but based off the first page it seems like he plays mostly live. I'm a losing player online and a winning player live. Just because you have an extensive poker history doesn't mean your stats online reflect well on you.
Yea but if you are putting yourself forward as some winning pro worthy of investment, you should be able to beat online poker.I need a tl;dr on this thread because i'm not reading 19 pages of shit, but based off the first page it seems like he plays mostly live. I'm a losing player online and a winning player live. Just because you have an extensive poker history doesn't mean your stats online reflect well on you.
OK well I sat around all day with no NFL going crazy (fuck the pro bowl) and actually thought of a solution to all of this shit! Again I have no $$ invested here, so if you think I should just butt out I can understand!
But I think Ive come up with a pretty good answer to all of this, so hear me out.
Seems like people have a few issues here.
First they have no fucking idea whether Jasep is reporting his results accurately. There is no way around this one, you either trust him or you dont!
Second people are worried about his background, both his arrest in the past and his poker results that are hard to find or might not exist. Again you either have to trust he is a winning player or don't.
Third people are worried he is a scammer and has already spent or gambled away all of the money. This is where my idea comes in.
Correct me if Im wrong but this 5k stake does not really require Jasep to have all 5k at once. The games he plays there is no way he would ever lose 5k in one session or anything close to that. So maybe Jasep shouldnt be the one holding all 5k if he doesnt need it at the moment.
My solution is to have Jasep keep a working roll of 1k and send the other 4k to Druff to hold for safekeeping. If Jasep keeps winning he will never need that 4k and it can be returned to the backers at some point. If he loses and needs it, then Druff can dole out another 1k to him, etc etc. In the meantime if anyone feels uncomfortable at any point they can get out and Druff will ship them the money prorated for what they lost. Like lets say some dude bought 500 for 10 percent and Jasep is down a total of 400 for the stake, and then the dude wants out. Druff would send him 460 and he would be considered out.
So this idea does not solve the trust issues but it does at least make everyone secure that their $$ has not already been spent on other shit!
What do you guys think? Druff would you do this?
why?Yea but if you are putting yourself forward as some winning pro worthy of investment, you should be able to beat online poker.
there's simply too many distractions playing online poker. when you're sitting at a poker table you can sit there watch and listen to music maybe. when you're online you're either playing a zillion games and incapable of concentrating on all of them or you're off im'ing someone and doing this and that online.
some people just are able to focus better live than online. is that a bad thing?
I am an investor. I did not inherit the money I invested, I earned it the hard way by good decisions and sound investments in the past. I do not have a trust issue with anyone. The suggestion that investors somehow didn't know they were placing trust in Jasep is pretty goofy - from my perspective. Whether the investors made a wise or profitable decision or not will only be known in the future - there is no way to really know until Projekt:Sep is over. Speculation and commenting was and is an expected part of the Projekt:Sep, but I think the focussing on trust that has gone on recently on this board is way over board. It should be obvious to anyone that trust was being placed in Jasep by the investors and I don't know what more needs to be said than that. I haven't really paid attention if any actual investor is complaining in this thread. In any case, I don't think this thread would be the way to complain to Jasep if an investor had a complaint. It seems to me that this thread recently has gone completely to shit. I don't think that is good for Druff, Jasep or the investors.
Now getting to Cokehead's idea, I think adding a new party to the arrangement would not in any way help and is completely unnecessary from my perspective. I made a decision to invest based on the terms offered and I have no regrets and I have made no complaints and no requests for any changes. To tell you the truth, I would not have invested if the original offer had been presented this way. So, I do not like the idea outline by Cokehead. While I do appreciate his effort, I actually don't want or need any help from him or anyone else in relation to Projekt:Sep.
I think Projekt:Sep is an interesting idea and I continue to support the idea and Jasep as Projekt:Sep continues.
Please just STFU with your moronic jasep issues.
Online Poker is better than live poker by a far stretch the majority of the time IMO. Even the great Doyle Brunson who played live his entire life posted about a million reasons why online is better.why?
there's simply too many distractions playing online poker. when you're sitting at a poker table you can sit there watch and listen to music maybe. when you're online you're either playing a zillion games and incapable of concentrating on all of them or you're off im'ing someone and doing this and that online.
some people just are able to focus better live than online. is that a bad thing?
when you're sitting at a poker table you can sit there watch and listen to music maybe.
You can do this online as well
when you're online you're either playing a zillion games and incapable of concentrating on all
Playing a lot of games is good. You can play enough hands in short periods of time to avoid long downswings that occur live because at best you can only get in a little over 1,000 hands a week live on a 40 hr shift. Maybe 1500 with the right dealers and players playing quick. Online you can get that action in 1 hr. If you are playing too many games then you should close the extra tables.
of them or you're off im'ing someone and doing this and that online.
Then shut off your IM!
Live poker you get small comps, online you get bonuses and rakeback
Live poker you are seated in the game they put you in. Online you can table and site hop all day.
You can watch lobbies all day long and only play good games if you really wanted to online on a $40 internet bill 24-7. Live poker you have to travel to the casino every day and use gas money which adds up fast.
Rake is better online for the most part and you don't have to tip dealers.
2 good things about live poker. If you are a reg in big enough games where you are the best or one of the best I am sure you can make a decent living but at the same time you could just hit variance for a year live and break even. Very rarely will you see a consistent winning online cash player break even or even have a losing year if they are doing things correctly .
Live poker you can get you cash right at the window when you leave. Online it is more difficult to get paid but in my 10 years of online poker I have never been stiffed by a site. Actually 2 of the 3 U.S. sites right now you can cash out in less than 7 days which is good.
it's a lot easier to do what you say when you're in a situation designated for that. not everyone can just plop down on the sidewalk and fall asleep regularly because it's not a place you normally sleep. online may be better for the terms you speak of, but like i said in this caseOnline Poker is better than live poker by a far stretch the majority of the time IMO. Even the great Doyle Brunson who played live his entire life posted about a million reasons why online is better.
when you're sitting at a poker table you can sit there watch and listen to music maybe.
You can do this online as well
when you're online you're either playing a zillion games and incapable of concentrating on all
Playing a lot of games is good. You can play enough hands in short periods of time to avoid long downswings that occur live because at best you can only get in a little over 1,000 hands a week live on a 40 hr shift. Maybe 1500 with the right dealers and players playing quick. Online you can get that action in 1 hr. If you are playing too many games then you should close the extra tables.
of them or you're off im'ing someone and doing this and that online.
Then shut off your IM!
Live poker you get small comps, online you get bonuses and rakeback
Live poker you are seated in the game they put you in. Online you can table and site hop all day.
You can watch lobbies all day long and only play good games if you really wanted to online on a $40 internet bill 24-7. Live poker you have to travel to the casino every day and use gas money which adds up fast.
Rake is better online for the most part and you don't have to tip dealers.
2 good things about live poker. If you are a reg in big enough games where you are the best or one of the best I am sure you can make a decent living but at the same time you could just hit variance for a year live and break even. Very rarely will you see a consistent winning online cash player break even or even have a losing year if they are doing things correctly .
Live poker you can get you cash right at the window when you leave. Online it is more difficult to get paid but in my 10 years of online poker I have never been stiffed by a site. Actually 2 of the 3 U.S. sites right now you can cash out in less than 7 days which is good.
i have habits of when i'm on a computer of doing this and that and i have habits of sitting at a poker table in almost a sense of meditation dedicated to poker that i can't achieve playing on a computer. it's just not a mental state i can hit on a computer.
this type of stuff isn't uncommon and can be seen in a variety of every day type items. some people can't wake up without coffee and it ruins their whole day. some people are extremely smart and can take what they learn in a class and put it to use further than anyone else, but couldn't pass a test if their life depended on it. some people are extremely smart and ace every exam but are incapable of putting that knowledge to a practical use.
why is this any different?
yeah there is added expenses but what the hell does that matter when you make a profit using one method vs another you can't make a profit on? when i have a bad beat at a poker room i stand up walk away for a minute talk to some people and come back. i can't do that online it's just not the same.
i also rely strongly on observing people. yeah i know betting patterns and know how to pick off a lot of bluffs using it (and this is probably my one strong point online), but i'm consistently better at it in person when i can see how a person reacts after placing a bet vs just the numbers popping up on the screen.
also when i'm online the multi tabling into games i probably shouldn't be playing just because i find them "fun" occurs constantly too. it's an impulse after i start winning so much and it's not something i've been able to shake. online i can play pretty conservative until i'm up several thousand and then it all starts to go down the drain. it's just my train of thought.
when i'm sitting at one game on one table irl it doesn't matter if i have 1 dollar or 10000 in front of me, i'm concentrating purely on the people in the game and how to get their money.
am i a bad online poker player, yes because i don't have the discipline to do it, and i probably never will. am i a bad poker player, no i don't believe i am.
i have habits of when i'm on a computer of doing this and thatit's a lot easier to do what you say when you're in a situation designated for that. not everyone can just plop down on the sidewalk and fall asleep regularly because it's not a place you normally sleep. online may be better for the terms you speak of, but like i said in this case
i have habits of when i'm on a computer of doing this and that and i have habits of sitting at a poker table in almost a sense of meditation dedicated to poker that i can't achieve playing on a computer. it's just not a mental state i can hit on a computer.
this type of stuff isn't uncommon and can be seen in a variety of every day type items. some people can't wake up without coffee and it ruins their whole day. some people are extremely smart and can take what they learn in a class and put it to use further than anyone else, but couldn't pass a test if their life depended on it. some people are extremely smart and ace every exam but are incapable of putting that knowledge to a practical use.
why is this any different?
yeah there is added expenses but what the hell does that matter when you make a profit using one method vs another you can't make a profit on? when i have a bad beat at a poker room i stand up walk away for a minute talk to some people and come back. i can't do that online it's just not the same.
i also rely strongly on observing people. yeah i know betting patterns and know how to pick off a lot of bluffs using it (and this is probably my one strong point online), but i'm consistently better at it in person when i can see how a person reacts after placing a bet vs just the numbers popping up on the screen.
also when i'm online the multi tabling into games i probably shouldn't be playing just because i find them "fun" occurs constantly too. it's an impulse after i start winning so much and it's not something i've been able to shake. online i can play pretty conservative until i'm up several thousand and then it all starts to go down the drain. it's just my train of thought.
when i'm sitting at one game on one table irl it doesn't matter if i have 1 dollar or 10000 in front of me, i'm concentrating purely on the people in the game and how to get their money.
am i a bad online poker player, yes because i don't have the discipline to do it, and i probably never will. am i a bad poker player, no i don't believe i am.
if you are playing for a living you just can't do that, if you do then it is a leak and you will lose value somewhere. I used to be really bad at what you describe.
yeah there is added expenses but what the hell does that matter when you make a profit using one method vs another you can't make a profit on?
I can only speak for myself but here would be an example for my current situation and why it would matter
I play online poker every day. I can play the amount of hands a live player would play in a full year in 2 weeks. I like the fact that I can break even for 2 weeks online and it doesnt matter. If I played the same amount of hands I just described in a live setting it may take a year and I could break even for that year or even lose big and it may take 2 or 3 years to outrun the live downswing. If I break even or lose for that year that is not a good thing when I can outrun the variance online over time and and hands quickly and turn a very good profit over a year. The less expenses the better and that is the case in every field , any business in the world.
i also rely strongly on observing people. yeah i know betting patterns and know how to pick off a lot of bluffs using it (and this is probably my one strong point online), but i'm consistently better at it in person when i can see how a person reacts after placing a bet vs just the numbers popping up on the screen.
Fair point but I will counter that point with not only the betting patterns which you mentioned but there is a ton of software out there that can make losing players winning players. Hem, notecaddy, ptr etc. Any decent player or even losing player could use PTR and turn themselves from a losing or breakeven player to a winning player with very little work. You may be able to watch a guy put money in the pot but for that one thing there are 10 things that will propel you more online.
also when i'm online the multi tabling into games i probably shouldn't be playing just because i find them "fun" occurs constantly too.
Then you have leaks! You need to fix those to be a winning player online. Also live you are stuck in the game they put you in. You have the option to move around online
Also the biggest poker winners more often than not in poker are HU or shorthanded players. You cannot play either of those games at the casino.
all this other crap aside, can i get a tl;dr
None of this "noise" is coming from the investors/backers. That's all that really needs to be said.
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I think theres alot of posts from non pro poker players. Its easy to assume that if you go broke you suck at poker, but speaking from experience its not always true because life costs money. When you have kids rent/mortgage and all the bills that come with them its easy to run into hard times even if your beating the games. Thats why so many young kids are succesfull they live with there parents and are able to keep investing everything they make in themselves.
Whoever said to beat live you should be able to beat online is just insanely wrong. I would bet that 95% of winning live players couldnt beat online cash games for a living. Could they 1 table and win maybe but try playing 30+ at a time like I did. The edge you have is so small compared to playing live. Its almost impossible to be somewhat competant and not beat live cash games.
Is Jasep not available on weekends cuz he's serving em in Sing Sing?
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