NaturalBornHusler/JustifiedHomicide/Vegas
I always thought these were the same guy, could be wrong but. ???
NaturalBornHusler/JustifiedHomicide/Vegas
I always thought these were the same guy, could be wrong but. ???
If Martha's computer was also confiscated, expect a flood of phantom nudes on the internet.
It's amazing to watch you get worse by the minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by garrett
People should be able to play some poker
is it random and, disjointed or just lo down dirty huslin
I can only imagine what they are going through right now. How many times you think they told her to drop this delusional lazy fuck? Probably every fucking day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
If I am Martha I go back to the US, with child, and tell Micon you can come back and see her whenever you want to grow the fuck up and act like an adult once in your life. No reason for her to be forced to live on a 3rd world island because her POS husband is a fugitive from justice.
http://pokerfraudalert.org/point.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by ToasterOven
Micon is like the Howard Stern of the internet around these places. Like him or hate him you want to see what he will say/do next.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G6xu-J_Dmc
I am being serious here, but I wonder if this is a form of the Stockholm Syndrome. How do you get a well paid lawyer to quit her career and move to Vegas and basically cut ties with reality? It is almost cultish in it's behavior. Her parents have to be freaking out right about now. They lose their daughter and now their grand daughter to third world country.Quote:
Originally Posted by NaturalBornHustlerI can only imagine what they are going through right now. How many times you think they told her to drop this delusional lazy fuck? Probably every fucking day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
If I am Martha I go back to the US, with child, and tell Micon you can come back and see her whenever you want to grow the fuck up and act like an adult once in your life. No reason for her to be forced to live on a 3rd world island because her POS husband is a fugitive from justice.
Micon is a sociopath to drag his family into this lifestyle. It's not like he moved to start a legitimate business in say London or Sydney. He is hiding out in a 3rd world country trying to launch a gambling website which launders currency. Yeah, that is not dangerous. To drag your family in that is downright sociopathic.
The scary thing is he thinks he is an entrepreneur. Um no. He is just another grifter who got caught trying to make a buck illegally. He might not like the law, but that does not give you the right to break it.
At this point, what's Micon's best play?
If I was him I'd probably return to the US in a week or so and move out of Nevada.
He would be extradited back to Nevada to face charges. That really is not the long term issue though. It's going to be the Feds, likely money laundering, violation of the UIGEA Act and income tax evasion. The UIGEA has broad bi-partisan support as it was passed by a Republican Congress and enforced vigorously by a liberal President.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Note that Bovada doesn't allow residents of Nevada, New Jersey, New York, Maryland, or Delaware to play on there.
Nevada, New Jersey, and Delaware are obvious -- because they have licensed, legalized state-level online poker sites.
Maryland are New York are because the two DOJ offices actively busting online gambling operate from those states, and they use the fact that residents from those states play on the sites as a simple justification to get arrest/search warrants. So they are making it tougher for those DOJ offices to establish a case against them.
So as much as Bovada has been giving the finger to the US government during their 15 years in operation, they are also careful.
I have plenty of issues with Bovada lately, and only play there because they're the least of all the online evils, and I trust them marginally enough not to steal my money. However, despite Bovada's problems, they are absolute geniuses when it comes to both payment processing and avoiding smackdowns from the US government. They've existed for 15 years as a poker room, casino, and sportsbook (the latter of which really pisses of US authorities) and have avoided any kind of bust. They still pay you quickly and reliably when you win. You have to admire them for that.
My point here is that Bovada, for all their ability to avoid the US government shutting them down, are scared to operate in the states with legalized online poker. They don't want to step on toes or motivate certain law enforcement agencies to go after them.
Seals was different. They had the free, open, no restrictions business model. You could play from anywhere, you could make as many accounts as you wanted, and you didn't have to give them your name or e-mail. On the surface, that seems cool, but it invited trouble. This allowed Nevada residents to play there instead of the existing legalized poker sites, and Micon lived right there in Vegas. The NGC doesn't take kindly to that, and it was easy for them to go after Micon, living right in the state. Had Seals refused to offer games to people in Nevada, this bust may not have happened -- or at least the NGC wouldn't have been nearly as interested.
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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
Bovada needs to take bitcoin. It's so simple. Someone has to teach em how to dance... bitcoin
Can Garret be banned from this thread?
It's far too interesting for it to be just another skimmer.
Sober up or gtfo please chief
Micon is facing a possible indictment in Nevada on state charges of illegal gaming but could also be charged in a federal indictment and face years in prison.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Micon should call Edward Snowden in Moscow, Russia and ask if he has a spare room.
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Bryan see the proces through. GET a good attorney, i mean so good.
I ben there, if they are "prosecuting" sit back hire a good cousnel, like real good.
You can win
If I were him on February 11th, I would probably stay, drop involvement with Seals or any other kind of bitcoin gambling, face the music, and argue in court that there aren't clear laws against poker for bitcoin. Maybe he'd get off, maybe he'd face some prison time, but it's possible they might settle for a fine, probation, and the promise not to ever run another gambling site. In any case, there was enough of a legal grey area to where he probably could have avoided major prison time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FPS_Russia
Alternately, the plan to flee to Antigua and answer to charges remotely also isn't terrible, as you have more leverage and can agree to something reasonable without them being able to hold an immense and imminent prison sentence over your head. (The downside is that running always pisses them off, but it's still not the worst option, given he wasn't charged yet.)
However, as already pointed out, I don't think it's wise to restart Seals after everything that's happened. That move is assuring yourself that you'll never set foot on US soil (or other US-friendly countries) ever again, and that's a pretty big thing to give up when you're 36 years old with a young child. But that's the path he's apparently choosing. It's important to note that he hasn't quite chosen it yet, as Seals hasn't restarted. He can still reverse course and choose to scrap the restart plan, but I don't think he will.
just watched micon's video. he can't figure out why the video is dark, but he's gonna figure out all the technical stuff he talked about in the vid.
ok.
in Micons life maybe its liek a poker move. he already got his 3bet called and was raised, he didnt flat and decided to 5bet.
When the heat is so hot, do you fold, call,or raise.
Lets say he decides to go ahead with the poker site. His daughter 20 years from now is back in the states and wants to get married. What if the whole thing blows over and no charges are brought against him. Do they need a judgement against him or can they still arrest him without any sentence imposed on him while he is in abstentia?
free poker theory...
I play live poker so.. Most god players play TIGHT for the first, even 3 hours.. spot the tight.loose/mark etc
raise call or fold...
Seems like he has resigned himself to not returning to the US for the WSOP or anything else:
So apparently he understands the gravity of his decision.Quote:
Bryan Micon @BryanMicon · 5h 5 hours ago
@jvfricke I'll build a yearly poker tournament on this awesomely beautiful island over the next few years and you will have to come here :)
If there are no charges, he can return, as the statute of limitations will be long over.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
However, if they charge and convict him in absentia, then he can be shipped off to prison if he sets foot on US soil.
One can't hate on a man who believes in his conviction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
I've shipped some more garrett-related fighting here to the containment thread.
garrett, you are welcome to comment in this thread, but please stick to relevant commentary and tone down the number of posts. Thanks.
Roman Polanski has not stepped foot in US soil in over 40 years because the statutory rape charge and law still exist. So if he is indicted, he just cannot wait it out as long as the law is on the books. I guess if UIGEA is overturned he might stand a chance, but that likely is not going to happen any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
Great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Forum Wars
This won't be easy, and perhaps not feasible at all.
Polanski was convicted. He actually pled guilty, and then ran off before he could be sentenced. That's why he could be imprisoned in the US today, despite the length of time that has passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyRoman Polanski has not stepped foot in US soil in over 40 years because the statutory rape charge and law still exist. So if he is indicted, he just cannot wait it out as long as the law is on the books. I guess if UIGEA is overturned he might stand a chance, but that likely is not going to happen any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANKRIZZO
It's not related to the age of the law or whether it's still on the books.
If you are convicted in the US (whether while here or in absentia), no amount of time can save you from prison when you return.
yes. great payment processors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
and 'avoided' any kind of bust.
almost makes you wonder.
Just read the 2+2 thread in the Internet Poker section regarding Seals.
The stupidity of most of the posters on that site is astounding.
They're actually having a discussion about whether it was illegal for Seals to offer games to Nevada residents if Seals was anonymous and didn't collect player info.
Like they're trying to say that if you close your eyes and don't ask where players are from, then you can't be responsible for players from jurisdictions with regulated online gaming playing on your site.
Seriously, some are trying to make that point.
Others are saying that Seals simply needed a disclaimer, warning people to follow all local laws regarding playing there, and that having it would have saved them from legal trouble.
Um, no.
Reminds me of the hookers who think that putting a website notice of "Payments are for time spent together only. Anything sexual that occurs after that is a matter of choice between two consenting adults" will prevent them from being charged with prostitution.
:doublefacepalm
I don't know what point you're trying to make, but I can tell you from experience that they are constantly hopping between payment processors, so as to avoid having them tracked down and money seized.Quote:
Originally Posted by superallahyes. great payment processors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Druff
and 'avoided' any kind of bust.
almost makes you wonder.
Countries with no extradition treaty with the USA
At least he can tell Martha they're spoilt for choice.
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Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and
Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central
African Republic, Chad, China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial
Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan,
Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands,
Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal,
Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia,
Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu,
Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.
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Originally Posted by Lord of the Fraud
If there are any KARMA GODS, Micon will end up moving there
The fact is they will not even try to extradite micon back to the U.S when charges are filed and yes they will be filed. They will wait if he ever steps foot in the U.S he is done, There will be a arrest warrant waiting
This is what happens when you screw me out of 400 dollars.
There are no sides, only players.
How long and hard is Erin laughing now. She had to wait a long time for justice.
Martha will end up leaving Micon on the island. She will make this choice as a mother.
The only thing I feel sorry for is Micon's asshole in jail.
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Originally Posted by splitthis
Lads, this is why you don't piss women off
They're fucking vicious!
Meanwhile it's just business as usual for Micon. He faded over 7000 players in the freeroll.
Over/under on Micon's rectum being 2.5 times normal size in five years?Quote:
Originally Posted by splitthis