Good to see that strict gun laws work-Chicago edition

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09-20-2013, 07:11 AM
DirtyB

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

The biggest problem that the average citizen has in cities like Chicago, DC, and NYC imo is the ability to get a concealed carry permit. It is damned near impossible. This is why the average criminal can expect to not be up against a similarly armed citizen while committing an armed crime on the street or in a business.

Please explain why the murder rates in Arizona, New Mexico, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee are higher than Illinois' despite having more lax gun laws.
09-20-2013, 11:34 AM
PLOL

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Originally Posted by simpdog

PLOL just move up here to Canada bud, we will gladly accept you.

I gladly would move to Vancouver, but there's no way I'd be accepted for anything longer than 6 months (I've looked in to it). All these poker players who do it just go on temporary visa's.
09-20-2013, 03:00 PM
NaturalBornHustler

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Originally Posted by Dan Druff

I am the last person to defend Chicago, but here is a list of their gun laws, according to Wikipedia:

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Chicago has banned the possession of certain semi-automatic firearms that it defines as assault weapons, as well as magazines that can hold more than 12 rounds of ammunition. Chicago residents must "immediately" report a firearm that is stolen or lost, and must report the transfer of a firearm at least 48 hours in advance. In a home where a person younger than 18 is present, all guns must be secured with a trigger lock, or stored in a locked container, or secured to the body of the legal owner. Chicago also prohibits the sale of firearms within city limits.

I can actually understand all of this, aside from the last part, where guns aren't allowed to be sold within the city (why???)

The banning of semi-automatic firearms is probably aimed at prevention of mass shootings. While I understand the counter-argument (you need to fight firepower with firepower if attacked with a semi-automatic weapon), I can also understand a city forbidding them.

The rest of the laws (reporting them being stolen, reporting transfer, securing the gun if children are in the home) are common sense.

No form of gun control is going to bring down the homicide problem in Chicago, though. If that was the intent of the above laws, I agree it was destined for failure.

Druff serious question....you know what a "semi automatic" firearm is correct?

Because if you are saying you support banning them within city limits, you have just joined the Daily Kos, Ed Schultz, and any other left wing loon you can think of on the matter. There is nothing "moderate" about that position, at all.
09-20-2013, 03:29 PM
anonamoose

Another serious question:

Do you people really think those gun laws are "strict"? You're only kidding yourselves if you think so.
09-20-2013, 03:40 PM
monsterj

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

drove up to take a friend of mine to a cards/cubs game at wrigley a couple months ago

my buddy (who grew up in haiti) kept saying "man, it is so fucked up here", telling me he has seen two people get shot in the year he has lived there

pretty crazy that a guy who grew up in the poorest third-world country in the western hemisphere would fear for his safety more in a city in 'murica

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.
09-20-2013, 06:03 PM
PLOL

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Originally Posted by monsterj

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

drove up to take a friend of mine to a cards/cubs game at wrigley a couple months ago

my buddy (who grew up in haiti) kept saying "man, it is so fucked up here", telling me he has seen two people get shot in the year he has lived there

pretty crazy that a guy who grew up in the poorest third-world country in the western hemisphere would fear for his safety more in a city in 'murica

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.

Where in LP? That's where I'm moving in, off Deming
09-20-2013, 06:08 PM
shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by monsterj

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

drove up to take a friend of mine to a cards/cubs game at wrigley a couple months ago

my buddy (who grew up in haiti) kept saying "man, it is so fucked up here", telling me he has seen two people get shot in the year he has lived there

pretty crazy that a guy who grew up in the poorest third-world country in the western hemisphere would fear for his safety more in a city in 'murica

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.

Most people think this was an accident but I believe it was foul play orchestrated by an ex-boyfriend because she wouldn't swallow.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/...wrigley-field/

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...pg?w=420&h=316

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CHICAGO (CBS) — A suburban teacher and avid Cubs fan has died following a choking accident while at the game on Sunday at Wrigley Field.

Maureen Oleskiewicz was with her brother when she began choking on a hot dog and collapsed.
09-20-2013, 06:11 PM
PLOL

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

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Originally Posted by monsterj

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.

Most people think this was an accident but I believe it was foul play orchestrated by an ex-boyfriend because she wouldn't swallow.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/05/...wrigley-field/

http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.co...pg?w=420&h=316

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CHICAGO (CBS) — A suburban teacher and avid Cubs fan has died following a choking accident while at the game on Sunday at Wrigley Field.

Maureen Oleskiewicz was with her brother when she began choking on a hot dog and collapsed.

That's in Lakeview though, not Lincoln Park. They're right next to each other and both safe, though LP is a bit safer.
09-20-2013, 06:46 PM
nunbeater

black people die from hot lead
white people die from hot dogs
09-20-2013, 06:51 PM
tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by shortbuspoker

The biggest problem that the average citizen has in cities like Chicago, DC, and NYC imo is the ability to get a concealed carry permit. It is damned near impossible. This is why the average criminal can expect to not be up against a similarly armed citizen while committing an armed crime on the street or in a business.

Please explain why the murder rates in Arizona, New Mexico, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee are higher than Illinois' despite having more lax gun laws.

Freakonomics style, don't shoot the messenger. FYI, the national average for hispanic or latino is 17% and for black it's 13%.

Arizona - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 30.2%
New Mexico - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 47.0%
Alabama - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 26.5%
Louisiana - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 32.4%
Mississippi - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 37.4%
Missouri - Willie stole
South Carolina - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 28.0%
Tennessee - Arrested Development obv
09-20-2013, 11:49 PM
WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by monsterj

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

drove up to take a friend of mine to a cards/cubs game at wrigley a couple months ago

my buddy (who grew up in haiti) kept saying "man, it is so fucked up here", telling me he has seen two people get shot in the year he has lived there

pretty crazy that a guy who grew up in the poorest third-world country in the western hemisphere would fear for his safety more in a city in 'murica

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.

he doesn't live near wrigley, this is what he was telling me while we were driving to the game

he lives in dolton and i believe one shooting was there and the other he saw was in the city somewhere
09-21-2013, 12:09 AM
PLOL

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by monsterj

i live about a mile from Wrigley in Lincoln Park. There hasn't been a murder in Lincoln Park(population ~70K) in YEARS. Your Haitian friend is full of shit or lives in Humbolt park/Englewood.

he doesn't live near wrigley, this is what he was telling me while we were driving to the game

he lives in dolton and i believe one shooting was there and the other he saw was in the city somewhere

Dolton is not in Chicago. Nice try, kiddo.

But it is about 90% black and avg. income is $20k. Tell your friend to get out of the slums
09-21-2013, 12:34 AM
WillieMcFML

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Originally Posted by PLOL

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Originally Posted by WillieMcFML

he doesn't live near wrigley, this is what he was telling me while we were driving to the game

he lives in dolton and i believe one shooting was there and the other he saw was in the city somewhere

Dolton is not in Chicago. Nice try, kiddo.

But it is about 90% black and avg. income is $20k. Tell your friend to get out of the slums

perhaps you didn't read the part about his previous address BEING IN HAITI

something going on at home that we need to talk about, plol? you've been an awfullly sour twink lately
09-21-2013, 12:47 AM
DirtyB

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

Please explain why the murder rates in Arizona, New Mexico, Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, South Carolina, and Tennessee are higher than Illinois' despite having more lax gun laws.

Freakonomics style, don't shoot the messenger. FYI, the national average for hispanic or latino is 17% and for black it's 13%.

Arizona - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 30.2%
New Mexico - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 47.0%
Alabama - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 26.5%
Louisiana - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 32.4%
Mississippi - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 37.4%
Missouri - Willie stole
South Carolina - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 28.0%
Tennessee - Arrested Development obv

I would argue that it's not a causal relationship, but at least you're citing data.

What my cited data concluded is that concealed carry laws have absolutely no relationship with crime or murder rates, and that shortbus is entirely full of shit.
09-21-2013, 05:07 AM
Daly

Thats why the local thugs call it "Chiraq"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7q3tokn4ew

Nice little news bit from Vice on this. Scary shit. It is a fucking crime that every hospital in the area turns away all these guys who get shot, but the cant take everyone for free either.
09-21-2013, 08:15 AM
ThreeBet

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Originally Posted by DirtyB

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Originally Posted by tony bagadonuts

Freakonomics style, don't shoot the messenger. FYI, the national average for hispanic or latino is 17% and for black it's 13%.

Arizona - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 30.2%
New Mexico - Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 (b) 47.0%
Alabama - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 26.5%
Louisiana - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 32.4%
Mississippi - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 37.4%
Missouri - Willie stole
South Carolina - Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 28.0%
Tennessee - Arrested Development obv

I would argue that it's not a causal relationship, but at least you're citing data.

What my cited data concluded is that concealed carry laws have absolutely no relationship with crime or murder rates, and that shortbus is entirely full of shit.

You would argue there's no cause and effect between minorities and murder rates?

When you make statements like that its hard to take anything you say seriously. You are so anti-racist that it blocks your ability to comprehend and acknowledge simple facts.

Believe me, I wish I lived in your fantasy world.
09-21-2013, 08:34 AM
cmoney

If black people didn't commit so many violent crimes than people probably wouldn't feel the need to carry. Look at Finland, Switerland , Sweden and Norway. They have high gun ownership rates but low crime.

The stats are the stats. There is no comparison between black on white violent crime versus white on black violent crime.

If there were NO black people in the US this entire country would be a much safer place. Why does one have to be labelled a racist just for pointing out the obvious? I would say the same thing for Asians too if they were committing as many violent crimes.

Get rid of all black people and populate our country with all responsible whites, latinos, Asians and gays. The more gays, Indians and asians the better imo. We would dominate the world in 5 years.
09-21-2013, 08:46 AM
ShadyJ

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Originally Posted by Gordman

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Originally Posted by ShadyJ

Since I recently took the conceal carry course in WI I can say that Chicago gun laws are not only different then everywhere else. You have to take 16 hrs of classes compared to 4 here, and I could be wrong but I think its $150 for the license in Chicago and $40 here.

I was actually on tv here because I took the course at a bar that a week earlier the bar owner shot 2 people killing one of them that tried to rob his bar. It was his 2nd time shooting robbers at his bar.

so which one are you?

Im actually 1 row in front of the lady on the bottom of the screen there.
09-21-2013, 08:55 AM
ShadyJ

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Originally Posted by cmoney

If black people didn't commit so many violent crimes than people probably wouldn't feel the need to carry. Look at Finland, Switerland , Sweden and Norway. They have high gun ownership rates but low crime.

The stats are the stats. There is no comparison between black on white violent crime versus white on black violent crime.

If there were NO black people in the US this entire country would be a much safer place. Why does one have to be labelled a racist just for pointing out the obvious? I would say the same thing for Asians too if they were committing as many violent crimes.

Get rid of all black people and populate our country with all responsible whites, latinos, Asians and gays. The more gays, Indians and asians the better imo. We would dominate the world in 5 years.

Its true everyone knows it, but no one can say it. Even the blacks know it. Im not with you on the Latinos though because they are taking over the country. I always thought thw white chicks with mixed kids would help make this country one color eventually, but I was wrong its the mexicans. I saw a census that in like 20-30 years blacks will be the same but Mexicans will be like doubled and Whites will be less then 50%. Why the fuck is Canada so cold i wish I was a canadian.
09-21-2013, 08:57 AM
ShadyJ

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Originally Posted by LLL

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Originally Posted by ShadyJ

Since I recently took the conceal carry course in WI I can say that Chicago gun laws are not only different then everywhere else. You have to take 16 hrs of classes compared to 4 here, and I could be wrong but I think its $150 for the license in Chicago and $40 here.

I was actually on tv here because I took the course at a bar that a week earlier the bar owner shot 2 people killing one of them that tried to rob his bar. It was his 2nd time shooting robbers at his bar.

I saw that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIk_xg0__lc

Thats funny heres the one they showed at my class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeGD7r6s-zU

Someone feel free to make this on the page. Thanks

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