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    and to think, a week or two ago there was talk of an intervention / US supported coupe of Cuba

    HELLO NO!
    The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    and to think, a week or two ago there was talk of an intervention / US supported coupe of Cuba

    HELLO NO!
    The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.
    your president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.

    he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.

    why is it okay for your side to cheat?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
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    and to think, a week or two ago there was talk of an intervention / US supported coupe of Cuba

    HELLO NO!
    The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.

    Remove the word "falsely" and your comment is correct.

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    Bin Laden warned in 2010 letter that Biden would ‘lead US into crisis’

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    Wondering how Druff would spin to blame Trump’s failure in massively contributing to this crisis on Joe Biden.



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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post

    The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.
    your president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.

    he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.

    why is it okay for your side to cheat?
    I agree, Dwai. Biden's obvious decline should be a major concern for us all. His lapses make me cringe. The border issue should not be so contentious at this point. We cannot allow vast numbers of unknown people into the country illegally. And we cant allow an inhumane situation at the border to linger on forever. It seems like it should be a very simple issue for the government to solve but the bureaucracy and bickering cause nothing but chaos.

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    Devastating proof provided by a former aide to Mike Pence that Team Trump is responsible for a huge aspect of why so many of our Afghan allies are stuck over in this crisis. Bottom line? Trump’s golden boy fellow white nationalist xenophobe Steven Miller lead the dismantling/sabotage with the Trump administration of the special visa process meant to allow those allies to get asylum in the US.



    And Druff has repeatedly expressed how he liked the immigration policies advocated by Stephen Miller. So, I’m wondering how he’s going to try to spin THIS to be Biden’s fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Chinese dealmakers have their bags packed, and will arrive on the first flights after the airports open,” said Byron King, geologist and mining and energy writer for Agora Financial.

    “People who understand exploration have long looked at Afghanistan with desire,” he told MarketWatch, adding that Afghanistan has routinely sent representatives to international mining conferences in the past 20 years to “give talks about the mineral endowment.”
    Afghanistan may become the “Saudi Arabia of lithium,” per an internal Pentagon memo ….
    i was curious about af copper rights the chicoms outbid phelps dodge for around 2011. 0.0 copper produced unless we count the output of six men, 2 shovels and 1 wheelbarrow. rights required building elec generation for the mine, ore processing and surrounding villages.
    https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-...n-afghanistan/ tl dr not enough coal nearby to create electricity. lack of phosphate. chicom wanted renegotiation. taliban might demand some small $$. notice the dry river running through the compound and down the pass. not always dry.

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    trump had 44 cabinet secretaries. 40 of them don't support his 2024 campaign. Zeigt die Nüsse.

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    Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?

    There are two issues here:

    1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.

    2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.

    It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.

    LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?

    There are two issues here:

    1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.

    2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.

    It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.

    LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.
    The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?

    There are two issues here:

    1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.

    2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.

    It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.

    LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.
    The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.
    You are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.

    Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.

    Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post

    The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.
    You are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.

    Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.

    Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.
    I dont think any senior official would accept assignment to Kabul at this point. The grunts are there. Maybe 1 general? You're right, the situation is FUBAR and should have been avoided. In the end, the brunt of the blame has to be on the Afghan people themselves. For better or worse, we tried there. I'm sure there was a lot of God's work being done by the Americans for the Afghans. They had all that time to build a civil society and they failed. The president fled the country and the troops decided what they had to fight for wasnt worth it. I think the marines will be the last ones there, as they should be and those motherfuckers are gonna get the last of those out who need to come out, God willing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    You are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.

    Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.

    Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.
    I dont think any senior official would accept assignment to Kabul at this point. The grunts are there. Maybe 1 general? You're right, the situation is FUBAR and should have been avoided. In the end, the brunt of the blame has to be on the Afghan people themselves. For better or worse, we tried there. I'm sure there was a lot of God's work being done by the Americans for the Afghans. They had all that time to build a civil society and they failed. The president fled the country and the troops decided what they had to fight for wasnt worth it. I think the marines will be the last ones there, as they should be and those motherfuckers are gonna get the last of those out who need to come out, God willing.
    That’s excuse making.

    We were there solely to assert American interests. If you accept the original stated reason at face value we were there for OUR national security.

    We weren’t fighting on behalf of ex president Karzi or the people. We weren’t coming in as a white knight. This isn’t on the Afghan people.

    Russia had their interests the first time around. We then had ours. Stop with the it’s on them BS.

    Maybe we thought we could single handedly try to change the Taliban’s behavior through extinction or something.

    After a certain point…. when the numbers approached a billion dollars a day it becomes a military industrial complex perpetual motion machine. I’ll give the Pentagon an out by saying it was fought poorly cause there really isn’t any legit reason to be there. I’m being generous. The military intelligence toward the end was f’ing wildly wrong. They misread the situation and lost really big.

    There is a poetic justice to Biden, who was originally in support of the Bush Cheney nonsense, getting crucified in the end.

    Kamala Harris political future is finished too. Nowhere to be seen when there is the Taliban women’s issue. She ran when things got hot.

    Politicians are a dime a dozen. No tears. These two are nothing special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwai View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post

    The Republicans like that one though, because of Florida’s electoral votes. They like them all, unless they can somehow falsely blame the fallout on a Democrat.
    your president is a senile failure of epic magnitude, even his lapdog media is turning on him.

    he is letting in millions of Mexicans to ensure democrat victories forever without having to use dominion machines to cheat to win.

    why is it okay for your side to cheat?
    Nobody is doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Why are so many liberals trying to blame this on Trump?

    There are two issues here:

    1) Should we have withdrawn from Afghanistan? The general answer to that was YES.

    2) HOW should we manage our withdrawal? Biden's answer was to just pick up and run off, which was the absolute worst way of doing things. THAT is what everyone is finding objectionable.

    It is shocking to see these images of the Taliban with our expensive military equipment. Shameful. There were many ways to have prevented that, along with other issues we're seeing right now.

    LOL @ the excuse making to avoid the conclusion that Biden is a senile fool who is terrible at foreign policy.
    FFS, Druff! Trump’s “HISTORIC PEACE TREATY” with the Taliban determined the timetable for when we had to be out of there, as well as no protections for our Afgan allies there from reprisals or persecutions by the Taliban. Furthermore, the Pentagon’s plans for the withdrawal were almost certainly established long before Biden took office. Third, Trump’s white nationalist islamophobic golden boy advisor Steven Miller worked behind the scenes to sabotage the efforts in the State Department to give any of known Afghan allies the special visas they needed to enter the US! Bottom line? TRUMP laid the groundwork for this crisis and left Biden to deal with how lopsided in favor of the Taliban Trump’s deal with them was.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post

    The answer to your question is that Trump is not to blame but is to be credited. So I think we are talking about semantics (blame vs credit). He is responsible for the draw down to 2,500 troops and the biggest push to get us out of there. Biden is merely finishing what he started. As for the equipment, this did not happen overnight and it was not taken from American fighting units, I presume. We're just seeing it now with all the other horrifying shit but this issue is not a new one. No excuses from me; Biden is old and unfit. But lets be careful what we all wish for because I think there would be consensus between parties that nobody wants to see Ms Harris as president anytime soon.
    You are spot on as always. No shrieking and partisan politics from you.

    Why doesn’t the US have a senior official in Kabul? In any other disaster (natural or otherwise) the Vice President is often sent. Kamal wants nothing to do with this. She is also generally considered ill equipped. She’s gonna campaign for Newsome instead. That’s leadership.

    Bear in mind that the Pentagon and intelligence massively fucked this up… as they did the whole war. Biden is not a strategist. Show me he ignored advice. He will take the fall and it will be his defining moment, nevertheless. That’s how it should be.

    The reason no senior official is on site relates to the century old a captain going down with the ship mentality. It is decades old dignity and it simply does not exist anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post

    I dont think any senior official would accept assignment to Kabul at this point. The grunts are there. Maybe 1 general? You're right, the situation is FUBAR and should have been avoided. In the end, the brunt of the blame has to be on the Afghan people themselves. For better or worse, we tried there. I'm sure there was a lot of God's work being done by the Americans for the Afghans. They had all that time to build a civil society and they failed. The president fled the country and the troops decided what they had to fight for wasnt worth it. I think the marines will be the last ones there, as they should be and those motherfuckers are gonna get the last of those out who need to come out, God willing.
    That’s excuse making.

    We were there solely to assert American interests. If you accept the original stated reason at face value we were there for OUR national security.

    We weren’t fighting on behalf of ex president Karzi or the people. We weren’t coming in as a white knight. This isn’t on the Afghan people.

    Russia had their interests the first time around. We then had ours. Stop with the it’s on them BS.

    Maybe we thought we could single handedly try to change the Taliban’s behavior through extinction or something.

    A valid point of view, for sure. I guess I just dont accept the original stated reason of us being there for our national security only all these years after OBL was killed. There was mission creep. It almost doesnt even matter who is to blame now; its all over except the evacuation. The marines are going to get everyone out. I'm fairly sure their motto says something to that effect. I think theyll need to fight their way out from helicopters to do so but I have faith in those boys and girls to do what has to be done. I am thinking of them and wishing them all of God's blessings every day.

    After a certain point…. when the numbers approached a billion dollars a day it becomes a military industrial complex perpetual motion machine. I’ll give the Pentagon an out by saying it was fought poorly cause there really isn’t any legit reason to be there. I’m being generous. The military intelligence toward the end was f’ing wildly wrong. They misread the situation and lost really big.

    There is a poetic justice to Biden, who was originally in support of the Bush Cheney nonsense, getting crucified in the end.

    Kamala Harris political future is finished too. Nowhere to be seen when there is the Taliban women’s issue. She ran when things got hot.

    Politicians are a dime a dozen. No tears. These two are nothing special.

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    Quote Originally Posted by country978 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sanlmar View Post

    That’s excuse making.

    We were there solely to assert American interests. If you accept the original stated reason at face value we were there for OUR national security.

    We weren’t fighting on behalf of ex president Karzi or the people. We weren’t coming in as a white knight. This isn’t on the Afghan people.

    Russia had their interests the first time around. We then had ours. Stop with the it’s on them BS.

    Maybe we thought we could single handedly try to change the Taliban’s behavior through extinction or something.

    A valid point of view, for sure. I guess I just dont accept the original stated reason of us being there for our national security only all these years after OBL was killed. There was mission creep. It almost doesnt even matter who is to blame now; its all over except the evacuation. The marines are going to get everyone out. I'm fairly sure their motto says something to that effect. I think theyll need to fight their way out from helicopters to do so but I have faith in those boys and girls to do what has to be done. I am thinking of them and wishing them all of God's blessings every day.

    After a certain point…. when the numbers approached a billion dollars a day it becomes a military industrial complex perpetual motion machine. I’ll give the Pentagon an out by saying it was fought poorly cause there really isn’t any legit reason to be there. I’m being generous. The military intelligence toward the end was f’ing wildly wrong. They misread the situation and lost really big.

    There is a poetic justice to Biden, who was originally in support of the Bush Cheney nonsense, getting crucified in the end.

    Kamala Harris political future is finished too. Nowhere to be seen when there is the Taliban women’s issue. She ran when things got hot.

    Politicians are a dime a dozen. No tears. These two are nothing special.
    A valid point of view, for sure. I guess I just dont accept the original stated reason of us being there for our national security only all these years after OBL was killed. There was mission creep. It almost doesnt even matter who is to blame now; its all over except the evacuation. The marines are going to get everyone out. I'm fairly sure their motto says something to that effect. I think theyll need to fight their way out from helicopters to do so but I have faith in those boys and girls to do what has to be done. I am thinking of them and wishing them all of God's blessings every day.

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    Were Republicans cowardly or unethical not to go along with [convicting Trump in the second impeachment Senate trial]? No. The smart move was to reject it.

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    What can you say about a country that removes troops before removing its citizens. That’s what happens when you elect a senile president and security chief hired on the color of his skin.

     
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