So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[sonatine]

trump wants 2k stim checks, team retard. which means he's to the left of pelosi here.

team retard are you now to the left of pelosi?

honestly lmao at trump handing the dems a massive win so he can tank biden's economy.

[dwai]

trump wants 2k stim checks, team retard. which means he's to the left of pelosi here.

team retard are you now to the left of pelosi?

honestly lmao at trump handing the dems a massive win so he can tank biden's economy.

[Sanlmar]

looking at some more data and coming to the conclusion that the virus really isnt that big of a deal and long term i can see this as being nothing more than flu #2

its not going anywhere and will be prob be around for the rest of our lives but vs a population with zero immunity its killed 4-5x more than the flu manages

once we are vaccinating the vulnerable and the population starts to build up immunity excess deaths would think these numbers drop to same level as standard flu #1

Just need to get the public to buy in to what are acceptable losses.

[Sanlmar]

Trump is just being contrarian with the $2k checks. Little showboating doesn’t hurt him.

He’s relevant again.

[nightmarefish]

The Republicans better not agree to this bullshit.

[Sanlmar]

I just want you to know that I’m praying for you and your family Druff.

wait, wait a minute. Pat Robertson had a few thoughts. Among them, “a lie is not a lie if you believe it”.

Sounds like a line from Seinfeld. I liked Seinfeld.

“Trump lives in an alternate reality”. Lol

[Salty_Aus]

I CLEARLY said this was a new vaccine and my generalisations might not be correct. With this said I would be very surprised if the figures were substantially different.

Show me the data druff you're talking shit. The early trials do not have sufficient data to make that claim.
Though they are "hopeful" it will protect the elderly.

The current trials are super simple, give it to thousands and give a placebo to thousands,. 90 people in the placebo group caught the virus and about 10 in the group who had the vaccine caught COVID in the same timeframe This is how they rated the efficacy in simple terms.
I guarantee you that the elderly in these trials were not out high-fiving people at Walmart. They were continuing to be extra vigilant as you'd expect.

Efficacy amongst the elderly will be lower in my opinion and that of many experts. This is simply based on our immune systems deteriorating as we age.
I'd bet any amount you want on this as I'm very confident.
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Trump is still in power and at the end of the day the current administration is still making policy decisions on COVID.

Obviously he's too busy spouting propaganda and cutting checks to lawyers trying to steal the election to worry about anything else.

The Buck Stops Here!

So far, summary results disclosed in news releases indicate that Pfizer’s vaccine, produced in partnership with BioNTech, has an overall efficacy rate of 95% and efficacy of 94% in people 65 and older. Moderna’s overall efficacy is 94%, with 87% efficacy in preventing moderate disease in older adults, according to Moncef Slaoui, chief science adviser to Operation Warp Speed, the government’s COVID-19 vaccine development program.

https://khn.org/news/what-seniors-ca...n-to-roll-out/

As you said, the efficacy rate was actually calculated by comparing the placebo group to the medicated group. They aren't just giving people the vaccine, checking who has COVID 2 months later, and claiming efficacy based upon the percentage who caught it.

It was found that the elderly with the vaccine did 7-16x better with not catching COVID than the placebo group did.

The amount of risk they were taking doesn't matter if they can simply compare the results between the two groups, since both groups presumably took the same amount of risk.

I'm not sure what point you're making, though. Do you agree with the wokes that we should be vaccinating young "essential workers" at the same time as the old people, because of "racial justice"?

Let's have a wager.
You pick the vaccine of the 3 that are currently viable.
I'll bet up to $10k that the elderly have a lower efficacy with a standard dosage at even money. (over 65)
Plus or minus 5% is a push.
If you'd like to bet its at least a 20% difference I'm open to haggle about the odds you will offer me.
Peer reviewed of course so might take a few months to decide a winner.
You can hold my money up front.

[Salty_Aus]

On a side note I actually believe your argument is logical and has merit.
But I also believe it might be half baked.
Hence I will side with the actual experts.

[JACKDANIELS]

looking at some more data and coming to the conclusion that the virus really isnt that big of a deal and long term i can see this as being nothing more than flu #2

its not going anywhere and will be prob be around for the rest of our lives but vs a population with zero immunity its killed 4-5x more than the flu manages

once we are vaccinating the vulnerable and the population starts to build up immunity excess deaths would think these numbers drop to same level as standard flu #1

Just need to get the public to buy in to what are acceptable losses.

its the politicians and the media deciding what are acceptable losses, public doesnt really have a say in the matter

[dwai]

Just need to get the public to buy in to what are acceptable losses.

its the politicians and the media deciding what are acceptable losses, public doesnt really have a say in the matter

we need the boot lickers like sonatine and Jimmyg to wake up and realize this is all bullshit.


oh, and Druff, he's fully fallen for it

[JACKDANIELS]

i get that politicians gotta stop the hospitals getting over crowded but leave it up to the public and most people would vote to get back to normal

excess deaths prob even out in a couple of years once vaccine is out and population get immunity

[sonatine]

Trump is just being contrarian with the $2k checks. Little showboating doesn’t hurt him.

He’s relevant again.

lets revisit this post when /ES goes limit down in a few hours.

[JACKDANIELS]

its the politicians and the media deciding what are acceptable losses, public doesnt really have a say in the matter

we need the boot lickers like sonatine and Jimmyg to wake up and realize this is all bullshit.


oh, and Druff, he's fully fallen for it

i mean its clearly not bullshit, around 10% more people are dying than normal due to covid so got to understand some steps must be taken to limit the damage

its easy to say in hindsight but virus is definitely not so bad that lockdowns this severe were justified

mortality rate is reported at 3% but that's based on confirmed cases, considering most people who get it are asymptomatic actual mortality rate prob under 1%

[JACKDANIELS]

risks are massively overblown tho, its not like this is ebola

[sonatine]

yeah guys, we are having like a 9/11 every single fucking day but those risks are hecka overblown its not like ebola.

[dwai]

we need the boot lickers like sonatine and Jimmyg to wake up and realize this is all bullshit.


oh, and Druff, he's fully fallen for it

i mean its clearly not bullshit, around 10% more people are dying than normal due to covid so got to understand some steps must be taken to limit the damage

its easy to say in hindsight but virus is definitely not so bad that lockdowns this severe were justified

mortality rate is reported at 3% but that's based on confirmed cases, considering most people who get it are asymptomatic actual mortality rate prob under 1%

I agree that it does it exist, in that sense it's not bullshit, but tallying old people's deaths and putting it on the news to scare fags like Jimmyg and the like has really worked to keep these sheep in line

[dwai]

yeah guys, we are having like a 9/11 every single fucking day but those risks are hecka overblown its not like ebola.

people die every day doomer fag, get over it

[Dan Druff]

So far, summary results disclosed in news releases indicate that Pfizer’s vaccine, produced in partnership with BioNTech, has an overall efficacy rate of 95% and efficacy of 94% in people 65 and older. Moderna’s overall efficacy is 94%, with 87% efficacy in preventing moderate disease in older adults, according to Moncef Slaoui, chief science adviser to Operation Warp Speed, the government’s COVID-19 vaccine development program.

https://khn.org/news/what-seniors-ca...n-to-roll-out/

As you said, the efficacy rate was actually calculated by comparing the placebo group to the medicated group. They aren't just giving people the vaccine, checking who has COVID 2 months later, and claiming efficacy based upon the percentage who caught it.

It was found that the elderly with the vaccine did 7-16x better with not catching COVID than the placebo group did.

The amount of risk they were taking doesn't matter if they can simply compare the results between the two groups, since both groups presumably took the same amount of risk.

I'm not sure what point you're making, though. Do you agree with the wokes that we should be vaccinating young "essential workers" at the same time as the old people, because of "racial justice"?

Let's have a wager.
You pick the vaccine of the 3 that are currently viable.
I'll bet up to $10k that the elderly have a lower efficacy with a standard dosage at even money. (over 65)
Plus or minus 5% is a push.
If you'd like to bet its at least a 20% difference I'm open to haggle about the odds you will offer me.
Peer reviewed of course so might take a few months to decide a winner.
You can hold my money up front.

LOL I love when people offer me absurd bets which have a huge downside for me.

It is unlikely that elderly people have a better efficacy than non-elderly people. I never even said that they were equal -- only that everyone had 'great results", which the initial studies show. This would basically be a freeroll for you.

In any case, efficacy in real life is going to be a lot more difficult than a study, so it's going to be hard to determine what it actually is, since there's no placebo group in real life.

This result could take a very long time to determine, and even then may be impossible. There's still a lot of debate regarding how effective the flu vaccine is, with numbers varying from 30-70%.

I'm still trying to understand your point. Let's even say efficacy is 75% for the elderly and 95% for younger people. Do you think that justifies giving it to younger people first, when 3/4 of the elderly people who would have died from COVID over the next month could have been protected?

[JACKDANIELS]

lol tine check the link i posted you cant be seriously equating this to 9/11 every other day

https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static...nd-latest.html rofl

[JACKDANIELS]

thats basically as dumb as me saying the usa has 4x sept 11 every day you gotta be trolling lol