So coronavirus is definitely going to kill a few of us.

[mickeycrimm]

I'm watching my own state, Montana to see what happens. We've already got 10K doses and expected to have 48K by end of December. Shipments come every week. Population is 1,060,000. Phase 1 is healthcare workers and assisted living residents. Estimates of health care workers range from 45K to 60K. My guess on seniors in assisted living maybe 10K. No idea of what the rate will be for refusal to take the vaccine will be. But the news of adverse reactions is bound to scare many. The december allottments, 48K, may cover these groups or may be a little short.

In January its supposed to move into first responders and seniors. The senior population is 190K so we are talking about 200K in this group. I'm in the "seniors with health problems" group so may be somewhere in the front half of this pack. I've no idea at this point how many doses are scheduled to arrive in January. My next checkup with both my cardiologist and nurse practitioner is Jan 18th. My last checkup, 3 months ago, they gave me a flu shot. I'm hoping this is how the covid-19 vaccine will work to. It would be nice to get it Jan 18. We'll see.

[OSA]

and just like that, grocery stores are running low on beef and chicken again.


cool cool.

Tried putting a order on Fresh Direct for Tuesday and there are no delivery slots till the 28th.

Nice.

[Dan Druff]

Earlier this month, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices said health care workers and nursing home residents — about 24 million people — should be at the very front of the line for the vaccines.

Sunday’s vote by the panel was who should be next in line, and by a vote of 13-1, it decided that it should be people 75 and older, who number about 20 million, as well as certain front-line workers, who total about 30 million.

The essential workers include firefighters and police; teachers and school staff; those working in food, agricultural and manufacturing sectors; corrections workers; U.S. Postal Service employees; public transit workers; and grocery store workers. They are considered at very high risk of infection because their jobs are critical and require them to be in regular contact with other people.

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-p...6cfed0d24f0e10

So 20 million seniors 75+ (not in nursing homes) will have to compete with 30 million mostly young "essential workers", including USPS employees. You know, better some old people die than you get your mail a few days late, amirite?

SCIENCE!!!

[gimmick]

Let me guess, you didn't read the whole article and there's no chance you spent any time even glancing at the actual study. I mean if you had, you would have stumbled into this...

"While the earliest doses of vaccines will be given to front-line health care workers under plans such as those from the COVAX initiative and the US NASEM recommendations (3), our work is focused on informing the prioritization of the doses that follow."

...i'm sure you're already profusely apologizing the next time i glance at this thread.

The debate is a lot more than front-line healthcare workers.

That part is mildly controversial, but the real outrage is coming from the plan to vaccinate "essential workers" ahead of the super elderly.

By the way, this study does NOT validate the vaccine being given to frontline healthcare workers over the elderly. It simply concedes that this plan is already in place, so there's no point in studying it. It attempts to study who comes next, without commenting on the plan for healthcare workers being priority 1.

BTW, I'd be fine with frontline COVID-related workers being priority one. The problem is that ALL healthcare workers are getting the vaccine as top priority, including administrators who have zero contact with patients.

But as I said, that's not even the main issue. It's this "essential workers" crap, which is mostly due to woke politicking and union influence. Anyway, are you saying you agree that frontline healthcare workers should get it first, and the elderly can go second? Because that's not very woke of you.

Oh my apologies, i didn't see that you were not at all interested in healthcare workers even though...

1) you brought it up

2) it was the only group of people that was defended by others

3) you expected an apology from the aforementioned people for their views

...and to prove your point you quoted an article as evidence of science backing an opposing view. When that article indeed is completely worthless for that purpose. Can't for the life of me think why would you think it makes it better it doesn't prove your point false. Congratulations, you didn't prove yourself wrong.

But hey at least apparently now you're willing to concede any point you made about healthcare workers while obv still expecting an apology.

[adamantium]

2 million people have already gotten it, by end of next week it will be 8 million.

That will be every essential worker who wants it plus millions of older people.

Literally everyone in a nursing home or assisted living facility will have had it by 01/08.

I am not exactly sure why you are unraveling about this? This is a Federal government that literally has 200 years of fucking shit up and somehow they will have vaccinated anyone who wants it in under 6 months.

You are really going to lose your shit over an elderly person not getting it last week versus in the next two weeks?

Elderly people who aren't in nursing homes probably won't get it for a month or more. It's not "last week versus 2 weeks from now".

If everyone elderly was going to have it by December 31, I wouldn't care so much that they're giving it to young supermarket checkers.

However, it's going to be a monthlong expected wait. Given that thousands are dying per day -- most of them elderly -- this is going to mean a LOT of extra unnecessary deaths.

I'm impressed with the speed of vaccine development. That's not my complaint here. The distribution is being fucked up royally, in an effort to appease the unions and the woke left.

This is why people like Nate Silver are loudly complaining about it, and why our usual group of contrarian PFA leftists aren't even attempting to explain this one. It's indefensible, and it's not following the science.

it will be dumb if your parents gets the hoax virus, after all they are more important than nurses

[Dan Druff]

Elderly people who aren't in nursing homes probably won't get it for a month or more. It's not "last week versus 2 weeks from now".

If everyone elderly was going to have it by December 31, I wouldn't care so much that they're giving it to young supermarket checkers.

However, it's going to be a monthlong expected wait. Given that thousands are dying per day -- most of them elderly -- this is going to mean a LOT of extra unnecessary deaths.

I'm impressed with the speed of vaccine development. That's not my complaint here. The distribution is being fucked up royally, in an effort to appease the unions and the woke left.

This is why people like Nate Silver are loudly complaining about it, and why our usual group of contrarian PFA leftists aren't even attempting to explain this one. It's indefensible, and it's not following the science.

it will be dumb if your parents gets the hoax virus, after all they are more important than nurses

Yes, it's more important for people over 75 not to get a virus that kills mostly old people. Additionally, when younger people get it, such as practicing nurses, they tend to fare much better.

Glad you're understanding.

Next let's talk about why people even older than my parents have to wait behind 25-year-old supermarket checkers.

[adamantium]

it will be dumb if your parents gets the hoax virus, after all they are more important than nurses

Yes, it's more important for people over 75 not to get a virus that kills mostly old people. Additionally, when younger people get it, such as practicing nurses, they tend to fare much better.

Glad you're understanding.

Next let's talk about why people even older than my parents have to wait behind 25-year-old supermarket checkers.

what the hell does idependent experts at the CDC know

[adamantium]

on a serious note, elderly with underiyng conditions are first in line no?

[adamantium]

On a side note, in Norway since february 28.
Population 6 million
43905 infected
404 dead

Im no expert but having competent people run the country probably helps + not being a nation full of eddie bravos

[dwai]

[Dan Druff]

The debate is a lot more than front-line healthcare workers.

That part is mildly controversial, but the real outrage is coming from the plan to vaccinate "essential workers" ahead of the super elderly.

By the way, this study does NOT validate the vaccine being given to frontline healthcare workers over the elderly. It simply concedes that this plan is already in place, so there's no point in studying it. It attempts to study who comes next, without commenting on the plan for healthcare workers being priority 1.

BTW, I'd be fine with frontline COVID-related workers being priority one. The problem is that ALL healthcare workers are getting the vaccine as top priority, including administrators who have zero contact with patients.

But as I said, that's not even the main issue. It's this "essential workers" crap, which is mostly due to woke politicking and union influence. Anyway, are you saying you agree that frontline healthcare workers should get it first, and the elderly can go second? Because that's not very woke of you.

Oh my apologies, i didn't see that you were not at all interested in healthcare workers even though...

1) you brought it up

2) it was the only group of people that was defended by others

3) you expected an apology from the aforementioned people for their views

...and to prove your point you quoted an article as evidence of science backing an opposing view. When that article indeed is completely worthless for that purpose. Can't for the life of me think why would you think it makes it better it doesn't prove your point false. Congratulations, you didn't prove yourself wrong.

But hey at least apparently now you're willing to concede any point you made about healthcare workers while obv still expecting an apology.

So can we take from this that you agree it's outrageous that 30 million mostly young "essential workers" are in the same priority group as elderly, including elderly with preexisting conditions?

BTW, there was a previous study stating that the optimal way to do things was to only vaccinate healthcare workers directly working with COVID patients, and then give the rest to the elderly until they're all vaccinated. So yes, I stand by my statement that vaccinating ALL healthcare workers before seniors is idiotic, and is killing a lot of extra people.

However, it's not nearly as indefensible as vaccinating "essential" workers at the same time as the elderly. The worst thing is that this is being mostly driven by racial politics, not science.

[Dan Druff]

on a serious note, elderly with underiyng conditions are first in line no?

Nursing homes are first in line, along with healthcare workers (all of them).

If you're 95, have several preexisting conditions, and live with your son and grandson, guess what? You're waiting until late January, and then battling with 25-year-old grocery store workers for the few vaccines available. Tight distribution plan, huh?

On a side note, in Norway since february 28.
Population 6 million
43905 infected
404 dead

Im no expert but having competent people run the country probably helps + not being a nation full of eddie bravos

Your country barely masked. In fact, there was almost no masking until late August. is this an anti-masking statement?

I actually think your country did it correctly, because you don't have a media which is/was obsessed with pushing a "Trump is bad for not masking" narrative. Thus, everyone was dealt with in more of an honest fashion, and simply told to stay away from one another, for their own good. Had the US taken this approach, there still would have been a lack of cooperation, but we wouldn't have had the silly mask-vs-no-mask battles, nor we would have had smug idiots wearing masks who think they're now impervious to COVID.

[dwai]

AW COME ON YOU DELETE MY 70% MORE SCARED POST?


I'm sorry gimmick is following me around like a lost faggot dog, I won't respond to him anymore. I apologize for his behavior

[tgull]

WILL DRUFF BE 70% MORE SCARED OF NEW COVID20 FROM THE UK?


FIND OUT MORE ON PFA RADIO

Literally there will be people that won't leave their house for years. I am talking like 10% of the US population, which might not sound like a lot unless you take into consideration there were like 20% that never left their house before Covid-19 either. Economy is going to really flail out of control for a few years. The good thing is we are importing an 80 year old President so all is good on that front. And his backup slept with Willie Brown who was 65 when she was 32, so she it top shelf too. All is great.

[Sanlmar]

Oh my apologies, i didn't see that you were not at all interested in healthcare workers even though...

1) you brought it up

2) it was the only group of people that was defended by others

3) you expected an apology from the aforementioned people for their views

...and to prove your point you quoted an article as evidence of science backing an opposing view. When that article indeed is completely worthless for that purpose. Can't for the life of me think why would you think it makes it better it doesn't prove your point false. Congratulations, you didn't prove yourself wrong.

But hey at least apparently now you're willing to concede any point you made about healthcare workers while obv still expecting an apology.

So can we take from this that you agree it's outrageous that 30 million mostly young "essential workers" are in the same priority group as elderly, including elderly with preexisting conditions?

BTW, there was a previous study stating that the optimal way to do things was to only vaccinate healthcare workers directly working with COVID patients, and then give the rest to the elderly until they're all vaccinated. So yes, I stand by my statement that vaccinating ALL healthcare workers before seniors is idiotic, and is killing a lot of extra people.

However, it's not nearly as indefensible as vaccinating "essential" workers at the same time as the elderly. The worst thing is that this is being mostly driven by racial politics, not science.

Typhoid Mary Defense.

Exponential spread.

[gimmick]

Oh my apologies, i didn't see that you were not at all interested in healthcare workers even though...

1) you brought it up

2) it was the only group of people that was defended by others

3) you expected an apology from the aforementioned people for their views

...and to prove your point you quoted an article as evidence of science backing an opposing view. When that article indeed is completely worthless for that purpose. Can't for the life of me think why would you think it makes it better it doesn't prove your point false. Congratulations, you didn't prove yourself wrong.

But hey at least apparently now you're willing to concede any point you made about healthcare workers while obv still expecting an apology.

So can we take from this that you agree it's outrageous that 30 million mostly young "essential workers" are in the same priority group as elderly, including elderly with preexisting conditions?

Really depends how it's done. If these are just national guidelines, where every hospital is using their own judgement on priority, i don't really care. Aaaaaaaaaaaand i'm fairly sure that's how it's done, since almost everything works like that.

If you can show there's another way how this works in practice, then show it.

PS. so using one mark of ./,/_ is excessive cluttering, i do like the consistency though

[gimmick]

AW COME ON YOU DELETE MY 70% MORE SCARED POST?


I'm sorry gimmick is following me around like a lost faggot dog, I won't respond to him anymore. I apologize for his behavior

Well there's a manly response from someone that's not crying. I do like the apologize. There has been a severe lack of apologies in this thread.

Also my sincere apology for not using the appropriate fecal matter related infographic. Oh and get fucked.

[Walter Sobchak]

Something Druff would do:

https://abc7.com/student-wears-hazma...hools/8871458/

Teen takes exams in hazmat suit as family says school district won't take COVID-19 seriously

Mason's mother and father told our sister station KTRK-TV that they tried every avenue to get the district to make an exemption. They also noted they've received multiple letters this month about positive cases on campus.

"I don't want to get sick," Margarita said. "I don't want to end up in a hospital. I don't want my husband to end up in the hospital because the school district doesn't care."

[Walter Sobchak]

lol everything is racist now.


hey if POC want to get the vaccine before old white people be my guest, it's probably going to make everyone sterile anyway, genocide.

[Walter Sobchak]

The very scientific goal should be to equalize per capital deaths by race, not lower all deaths across the board, you see.

Racial COVID justice!!!!!!!!111

Keep da unions happy!!!!!111

SCIENCE!!!

Druff you're mostly right on Covid, but take a breath. You're starting to type like Trump tweets. It's unbecoming of someone of your intelligence.