**OFFICIAL Donald J. Trump vs. Joseph (Joe) R. Biden Thread - 2020 Presidential Election**

[Walter Sobchak]

The My Pillow guy says Fox News helped rig the election. I guess everyone there who was in on it kept it from Hannity, Tucker and Laura. Unless they were in on it too?

Between that and North Korea's fake ballots delivered to Maine, it's no wonder Biden stole it so easily.

Druff, what happened to the Cuckoo smiley?

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

I did, and it's truly scary.

If they didn't get the result they wanted, it must be unconstitutional, and a huge conspiracy across 6+ states involving thousands of conspirators. And they're ready to kill for this stupidity.

[Dan Druff]

Instead of making me do a guessing game, how about you just tell us which conservative views you held prior to 2016, how you feel now, and how Trump changed those views.

I'd prefer to see views which haven't shifted in mainstream society as a whole. For example, it's copout to say something like, "I used to be against gay marriage, now I support it", or "I used to think police brutality was an exaggerated claim, but now I feel we need major reform".

I want to see issues which still currently divide most Americans, to where you switched your views from conservative to liberal.

I used to be ridiculously pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, thought the smaller the government the absolute better, was beyond against taxes, thought we could force democracy on other countries... I could go on...

But you're missing the point.

Let's try this. I was a member of a group that my family raised me in and I'd probably still be a member of that group but for the shock to the system that was an absolute pos reality star tard taking control of that group. It's like being raised in a religious group and all of the sudden a kid diddler becomes the voice of God for that religion. It'd be weird as fuck not to say hey wait a sec maybe I'm doing it wrong.

As soon as you start reevaluating your belief system you start being open to new ideas....

I really wish NWP/DD was still around and searchable, because then I could find the 2007-ish political debate we had where you seemed anything but right wing.

Regardless, even if you really were a legit conservative until Trump showed up as GOP nominee, I still think your abrupt change in political philosophy is more of an emotional reaction to hatred of Trump, rather than a logical examination of your previously held beliefs.

I think this was easy for you, because you viewed Trump as the embodiment of selfishness, ignorance, greed, and boorishess, so anything opposite of him probably seemed correct. This made your "reevaluation" much easier.

Additionally, because the left purports to be about equality and sensitivity toward marginalized people, it's easy to quickly claim moral high ground by taking on such beliefs. The much greater intellectual challenge comes from examining why your knee-jerk reaction to support the perceived underdog might not be correct. Often those on the left don't want to do it, because the laziest form of thinking -- that the underdog is always the victim -- is easiest to accept and allows you to feel good.

Take the George Floyd killing. Any objective, rational person will admit that this was a case of police brutality, and the officer should definitely be charged. But was it racism? We see no evidence of that. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't, but seriously, there is no evidence that this was a killing motivated by anything having to do with race. Indeed, if Floyd was a big, scary-looking white guy, we very well might have had the same result.

The lazy man will call it racism simply because a white cop killed a black man. The person interested in truth will objectively ask for the evidence showing that racism was responsible.

But which is the safer option, where you can claim the perceived empathetic and moral high ground? Obviously the safest opinion is simply to call it racist and say police are routinely targeting black men, and call it a day. Opposing this requires effort and critical thinking. Going along with the woke narrative is easiest both by peer reaction and by ability to pat yourself on the back.

I believe you hated Trump to where your "reevaluation" involved you felt like a good, sensitive person by taking the positions opposite of a jerk like Trump, and that made your complete political transformation that much easier.

[Dan Druff]

The My Pillow guy says Fox News helped rig the election. I guess everyone there who was in on it kept it from Hannity, Tucker and Laura. Unless they were in on it too?

Between that and North Korea's fake ballots delivered to Maine, it's no wonder Biden stole it so easily.

Druff, what happened to the Cuckoo smiley?

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

That's because you're in Norway and you didn't get to visit major US cities during the BLM protests/riots.

[limitles]

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

That's because you're in Norway and you didn't get to visit major US cities during the BLM protests/riots.

People of the world. Let it be known, discussions on any topic are constrained to the spot in the world where you were dropped.

Never mind that third party mediation is a tried a true method to resolve disputes in which two heavily biased parties are at a stalemate

[adamantium]

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

That's because you're in Norway and you didn't get to visit major US cities during the BLM protests/riots.

oh didnt know you were a frequent poster there, remember sunday is gunday

[gimmick]

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

you didn't get to visit major US cities during the BLM protests/riots.

Did you? I missed that trip report.

[dwai]

in fairness to that officer, George floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

fentanyl isn't racist

[adamantium]

in fairness to that officer, George floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

fentanyl isn't racist

I think we all can agree on that , the main thing is that trump lost in a landslide, hes like winning at losing

[Walter Sobchak]

Go read http://thedonald.win I have never seen so much insanity in one place

That's because you're in Norway and you didn't get to visit major US cities during the BLM protests/riots.

Not even remotely comparable.

[dwai]

in fairness to that officer, George floyd died of a fentanyl overdose.

fentanyl isn't racist

I think we all can agree on that , the main thing is that trump lost in a landslide, hes like winning at losing

wasn't really a landslide, but yes Trump lost

[rum dick]

I used to be ridiculously pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, thought the smaller the government the absolute better, was beyond against taxes, thought we could force democracy on other countries... I could go on...

But you're missing the point.

Let's try this. I was a member of a group that my family raised me in and I'd probably still be a member of that group but for the shock to the system that was an absolute pos reality star tard taking control of that group. It's like being raised in a religious group and all of the sudden a kid diddler becomes the voice of God for that religion. It'd be weird as fuck not to say hey wait a sec maybe I'm doing it wrong.

As soon as you start reevaluating your belief system you start being open to new ideas....

I really wish NWP/DD was still around and searchable, because then I could find the 2007-ish political debate we had where you seemed anything but right wing.

Regardless, even if you really were a legit conservative until Trump showed up as GOP nominee, I still think your abrupt change in political philosophy is more of an emotional reaction to hatred of Trump, rather than a logical examination of your previously held beliefs.

I think this was easy for you, because you viewed Trump as the embodiment of selfishness, ignorance, greed, and boorishess, so anything opposite of him probably seemed correct. This made your "reevaluation" much easier.

Additionally, because the left purports to be about equality and sensitivity toward marginalized people, it's easy to quickly claim moral high ground by taking on such beliefs. The much greater intellectual challenge comes from examining why your knee-jerk reaction to support the perceived underdog might not be correct. Often those on the left don't want to do it, because the laziest form of thinking -- that the underdog is always the victim -- is easiest to accept and allows you to feel good.

Take the George Floyd killing. Any objective, rational person will admit that this was a case of police brutality, and the officer should definitely be charged. But was it racism? We see no evidence of that. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't, but seriously, there is no evidence that this was a killing motivated by anything having to do with race. Indeed, if Floyd was a big, scary-looking white guy, we very well might have had the same result.

The lazy man will call it racism simply because a white cop killed a black man. The person interested in truth will objectively ask for the evidence showing that racism was responsible.

But which is the safer option, where you can claim the perceived empathetic and moral high ground? Obviously the safest opinion is simply to call it racist and say police are routinely targeting black men, and call it a day. Opposing this requires effort and critical thinking. Going along with the woke narrative is easiest both by peer reaction and by ability to pat yourself on the back.

I believe you hated Trump to where your "reevaluation" involved you felt like a good, sensitive person by taking the positions opposite of a jerk like Trump, and that made your complete political transformation that much easier.

Dang Druff. You just ignore what I'm saying and then respond with a wall of text of what you *think* I believe.

Maybe you can try slowing down and taking a moment and think about what I wrote before writing your missives?

[rum dick]

Dwai I swear to God we're gonna have a problem if you don't start doing fast food reports or whatever instead of telling me what to do.

[dwai]

Dwai I swear to God we're gonna have a problem if you don't start doing fast food reports or whatever instead of telling me what to do.

I'm eating 7/11 pizza rn, 6 outta 10

[sonatine]

[ jesus christ... ]

Dang Druff. You just ignore what I'm saying and then respond with a wall of text of what you *think* I believe.

Maybe you can try slowing down and taking a moment and think about what I wrote before writing your missives?

yeah thats not really been his brand lately.

[sonatine]

also lets get this thread back on track.

[Sloppy Joe]

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The chosen one for the GOP is looking rough..

[Dan Druff]

I really wish NWP/DD was still around and searchable, because then I could find the 2007-ish political debate we had where you seemed anything but right wing.

Regardless, even if you really were a legit conservative until Trump showed up as GOP nominee, I still think your abrupt change in political philosophy is more of an emotional reaction to hatred of Trump, rather than a logical examination of your previously held beliefs.

I think this was easy for you, because you viewed Trump as the embodiment of selfishness, ignorance, greed, and boorishess, so anything opposite of him probably seemed correct. This made your "reevaluation" much easier.

Additionally, because the left purports to be about equality and sensitivity toward marginalized people, it's easy to quickly claim moral high ground by taking on such beliefs. The much greater intellectual challenge comes from examining why your knee-jerk reaction to support the perceived underdog might not be correct. Often those on the left don't want to do it, because the laziest form of thinking -- that the underdog is always the victim -- is easiest to accept and allows you to feel good.

Take the George Floyd killing. Any objective, rational person will admit that this was a case of police brutality, and the officer should definitely be charged. But was it racism? We see no evidence of that. Perhaps it was, perhaps it wasn't, but seriously, there is no evidence that this was a killing motivated by anything having to do with race. Indeed, if Floyd was a big, scary-looking white guy, we very well might have had the same result.

The lazy man will call it racism simply because a white cop killed a black man. The person interested in truth will objectively ask for the evidence showing that racism was responsible.

But which is the safer option, where you can claim the perceived empathetic and moral high ground? Obviously the safest opinion is simply to call it racist and say police are routinely targeting black men, and call it a day. Opposing this requires effort and critical thinking. Going along with the woke narrative is easiest both by peer reaction and by ability to pat yourself on the back.

I believe you hated Trump to where your "reevaluation" involved you felt like a good, sensitive person by taking the positions opposite of a jerk like Trump, and that made your complete political transformation that much easier.

Dang Druff. You just ignore what I'm saying and then respond with a wall of text of what you *think* I believe.

Maybe you can try slowing down and taking a moment and think about what I wrote before writing your missives?

That's what I thought. Didn't seem likely you'd seriously address this behind a token "I realized I was wrong all this time and saw the woke light".

[Walter Sobchak]

Dwai I swear to God we're gonna have a problem if you don't start doing fast food reports or whatever instead of telling me what to do.

I'm eating 7/11 pizza rn, 6 outta 10

Did you make a slurpee that looked like that clown hair?

[BCR]

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The chosen one for the GOP is looking rough..

He sounds like he’s impersonating his dad. His cadence and everything. I’ve never paid much attention to him, but I’ve never noticed that before.

[sonatine]

is that a deep fake?

ive never in my life heard him talk like that.