Westboro Baptist church gets Pwned by massive counter-support for fallen Hero

[ftpjesus]

A soldier from the Wilmington area was killed along with 3 others in an IED explosion in Afghanistan roughly 2 weeks ago. It was shortly there after the infamous Westboro Baptist Church made disgusting postings about him going to hell and what not and promised to show up to protest his funeral. This resulted in a massive outpouring of support for his family and promises from hundreds to rally and block any protest by the WBC.. Today the funeral for Sgt TJ Butler was held in downtown Wilmington to include a horse drawn Cassion pulling his casket from the funeral home to the church and onward to the Wilmington National Cemetary. It hasnt been reported exact numbers but likely thousands showed up to support his family and line Market Street which is the main street heading to the boardwalk area and riverside in Wilmington. According to WPD 5 Westboro Baptist Church members did in fact show up to protest but apparently kept quiet and a low profile likely out fear of a mass lynching by the public at large... All I can say is You dont even dare pull that shit in the South especially in a state with soo many military within 100 mi (Camp Lejeune the largest Marine Corp base on the East Coast is but 45mins away, Fort Bragg is 2 hr drive and home to 82nd Airborne, Army SpecOps including Delta). Somebody needs to tell those hellish hillbillies their 15mins is up and that their actions will no longer be tolerated anywhere in this country. Even if you dont support the military actions we are involved in you dont disrespect the soldiers serving their country let alone take extremists views and politicize their funerals over unrelated topics such as homosexuality and gay marriage that the WBC continues to spout off about.

[tony bagadonuts]

Great post ftp, that's pretty awesome.

[408Mike]

the whole lot of them should have been executed in the street for treason years ago.

they aren't even religious, few of the crew are lawyers and they scream until someone punches one of them, then it's all dollar signs

serious question wherever the law is lacking and scum abuse the system where does vigilantism factor in as a needed and tolerated function of a free Republic?

Can we start with these clowns?

[SrslySirius]

serious question wherever the law is lacking and scum abuse the system where does vigilantism factor in as a needed and tolerated function of a free Republic?

Cool idea. Let's execute people for saying things we don't like and call it a free republic.

[unchainedghost]

Srsrsly is such a faggot. I'm all for free speech and supporting things that go against the mainstream but even joke supporting these pieces of shit is awful. I bet srsly wants the bus driver who knocked that black bitch out to get fired.
these Westboro white pieces of shit need paint thrown on them as soon as they open their fucking mouths.

Gotta love the south, they know how to make a funeral civil

[SrslySirius]

I'm all for free speech

No, apparently you're not. You guys are for restricted speech, which is a dangerous path to go down. Pointing this out doesn't mean I support WBC, I hate them as much the next guy.

[unchainedghost]

Either way, free speech ends when these cunts from WBC enter the conversation. Other than that I'm all for free speech, just keep your faggot bullshit to yourself.

[Crowe Diddly]

free speech ends when...

Other than that I'm all for free speech, just keep your faggot bullshit to yourself.

You are clearly not for free speech. Stop trying to convince yourself and us that you are.

[unchainedghost]

Is this place filled with uptight faggots today or what? I love free speech, just not your definition of it.

[408Mike]

I'm all for free speech

No, apparently you're not. You guys are for restricted speech, which is a dangerous path to go down. Pointing this out doesn't mean I support WBC, I hate them as much the next guy.

What the fuck is restricted speech? Presuming you are not 15 and taking your first econ class and memorizing the bill of rights you are aware that totally unrestricted free speech is very detrimental to our beloved Republic correct?

Love to debate this exact topic, being a free speech advocate myself.

Anyway srsly please consider something- a pedophile on trial for the rape/murder of a 9 year old girl someplace in america gets lucky and he gets off scott free, picture mistrial or something.

to spite the family over the woefully inadequate "but we'll take it without too much bitching because we are deceived that "'its the best w got" justice system each christmas, thanksgiving, and on every birthday for the girl and surviving family this monster pickets the house, legally out on the sidewalk or whatever, with signs reading slurs like..idk "your daughter came by for dinner but don't worry, you don't owe me anything. She was my treat" sick stuff a lot worse than that.

Does he have the right to do this? No he does not, the reason being we as Americans are entitled to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, and this sicko is not only impeding Life for the entire family he is also restricting their Liberty (many ways, being in fear, angry etc) and preventing them from moving on in life and pursuing Happiness in earnest.

The right to free speech is cut and dry, but we are an intelligent and complex society of very diverse individuals. Free speech is as free as it can be without angry patients making up lies about a doctor on he internet or a car company creating false and misleading ads about rivals spouting whatever just to gain an edge in sales.

Restricted Speech is actually the only path to truly Free Speech if you think about it. Restricted speech (what we have) enables society to flourish so that the denizens may live to enjoy free speech, in concept and idea, if not direct application, but it's free enough for me and that's what I care about most.

[DirtyB]

I love free speech, just not your definition of it.

There's only one definition. And you don't love it. People who actually support free speech support the most horrible, vile speech and expression there is. That's the price of free speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...lage_of_Skokie

[Crowe Diddly]

The problem with restricting speech, just like the problem with restricting ANY rights, is the fact that you must have someone with the power to do the restricting, and the deciding of what gets restricted. That power will (sooner rather than later) be abused. It always is, it always will be. Therefore, not giving someone that power is always preferable, IMO.

I'm speaking strictly about the government here, obv.

[408Mike]

Is this place filled with uptight faggots today or what? I love free speech, just not your definition of it.

haha chill the heck out, pretty sure almost all of us are on the same page, what crowe is doing is saying what is true in a way that's designed to annoy you. Basically, you are not for "free speech" since by definition free speech must not be infringed upon or restricted in any way, which is not what you and most people realize is ideal.

the trick is what exactly do we call the other version? anything else sounds weird and "un-ameri
can"

I say we just call it what it is, Free Speech, with revisions, which it is.

[408Mike]

Pretty sure Barry disagrees with me and is taking the side the people in question WBC can picket any way they want.

This brings up the point I wanted to raise-when loopholes in the law are exploited in order to create human suffering, why doesn't the law prevent this? The same law or set of laws which defend free speech should also bend in order to protect the Life Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness of the general public.

When the laws of the land cannot adequately do their job because of grey area and the human nature we so often see that exists soley to exploit others for gain or simply harm, my heart says The people of the land must rise up and take the situation into their own hands temporarily for the overall good.

I do not hear vigilantes talked about often but by and large the intellectual crowd are confident and unwavering in stating vigilantism is NEVER ok, but I disagree. In situations where justice was not served and additional life will likely be spared I see room for exceptions. Yes it's very hard to draw and then stick to lines stating what is or is not OK, but no human designed system is perfect. Some innocent men have died so that the death penalty as a whole works and the lives spared from crimes that never were will far exceed the few innocent casualties.

If you are barreling full speed toward a wall and have to pick left or right and people are on both sides, instinctually you for for the fewest casualties, this can not be disputed. In terms of justice same thing, the fewest casualties is the best answer, the needs of the many always outweigh the needs of the few and on that premise I do not believe the WBC group has any right to inflict intentional emotional trauma on american citizens FOR PROFIT

How does that angle not factor in for you at all Barry? This group is not a free-speech advocacy group, they are slimey lawyers trying to drudge up emotions to pick at the low hanging fruit.

Also where do you weigh in on something like libel? If free speech is fully unrestricted I can see my doctor, maybe he likes a rival baseball team so i hate him, and i go on the internet and blast his reputation all to hell, lying my ass off. This costs the doctor money, possibly his entire practice.

There are (obviously) laws to protect said doctor in this spot, which means the law is against you correct? The law agrees with me more less in that completely unrestricted free speech has some holes which lead's to explotation, the holes are patched as we go, life is groovy.

Would you rather patch all the holes and have 100% unabated free speech?

How bout if I go yell Bomb! on an airplane, obviously doing so is a very bad thing, there must be ways to deter such actions, low and beyold laws are maderestricting yelling bomb on an airplane, and Barry is pissed about it, I think.

[SrslySirius]

Our speech isn't 100% unrestricted, but it's pretty damn close, and it's part of what makes this country great. I used to think that all western societies were like this, but that's not the case. In England they can throw you in jail for using racial slurs, for example. It's really not much more of a stretch to start banning other kinds of speech that the majority finds distasteful, and the result is a shitty homogeneous society that doesn't think for itself.

[DJ_Chaps]

FREEDOM OF SPEECH?

LOL AT YOUR FREEDOM OF SPEECH.


I COULDNT WATCH 2 LIVE CREW VIDEOS ON TV BUT I CAN SEE THESE FUCKING HICKS SPEW THEIR SHIT???


TAKE YOUR FREE SPEECH AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS BRAJ

[408Mike]

I love free speech, just not your definition of it.

There's only one definition. And you don't love it. People who actually support free speech support the most horrible, vile speech and expression there is. That's the price of free speech.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...lage_of_Skokie

I take it these people do not own businesses such that they rely on new business coming largely from something like yelp. For example the owner of a chinese food store might not be thrilled with false accusations there is dog in their meat, shoul dfree speech also protect that 'right'? The right to lie at another's expense?

Also out of curiosity, the wiki link case, why was the focus so heavily toward the rights of the nazis and their needs when they are so few, why aren't the needs of the many weighted heavier and heard soone?

not a lawyer, I ask as I do not know.

[408Mike]

Our speech isn't 100% unrestricted, but it's pretty damn close, and it's part of what makes this country great. I used to think that all western societies were like this, but that's not the case. In England they can throw you in jail for using racial slurs, for example. It's really not much more of a stretch to start banning other kinds of speech that the majority finds distasteful, and the result is a shitty homogeneous society that doesn't think for itself.

Figured we were on the same page, for a minute there I was in the twilight zone and you dropped 30 IQ points or something.

[Crowe Diddly]

what crowe is doing is saying what is true in a way that's designed to annoy you. Basically, you are not for "free speech" since by definition free speech must not be infringed upon or restricted in any way, which is not what you and most people realize is ideal.

I wasn't trying to annoy, I was trying to make my point as clearly as possible. Most of the issues in our lives are more grey than black or white, but civil rights issues must be black or white, or they get severely weakened.

[408Mike]

what crowe is doing is saying what is true in a way that's designed to annoy you. Basically, you are not for "free speech" since by definition free speech must not be infringed upon or restricted in any way, which is not what you and most people realize is ideal.

I wasn't trying to annoy, I was trying to make my point as clearly as possible. Most of the issues in our lives are more grey than black or white, but civil rights issues must be black or white, or they get severely weakened.

Agreed, and fantastic point made at that.

Why did this topic die off?