Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Daly View Post

The TOTAL disaster relief allocation at the federal level has run between 6-8 Billion a year the previous decade. That’s for all states not just red ones and it’s for more than hurricanes. I’m willing to let go without research that more money goes to “Red States”, but it’s far from all of it.

The state of Illinois has a formal request into the US Congress for $40B to prop up, not cure, the states pension liabilities the state operating budget and general indebtedness. A complete level set bailout would be magnitudes higher. Estimated unfunded liabilities are ~$350B

The state of California “CalPERS” has estimated unfunded liabilities of $750B.

So Walter - Florida says you can keep the $2B for the next hurricane. Our state has well over 10B escrowed through insurance payments over the last 15 years since Andrew. We have 12B of unfunded pension liabilities which is completely fine with our yearly budget and population growth rate.


You are literally comparing Airplanes to Oranges in terms of size of problems.
I'm talking about helping with the effects of Covid.

I'm not opposed to hurricane relief. The government should help people who have been hit by tragedy. But the Republicans are saying "no blue state bailouts." Well fuck them. A disaster is a disaster whether it's a hurricane or a virus.

Also, Florida is going to be underwater soon if we don't do something about climate change. So toss in a little money for that while we're helping people rebuild their oceanfront properties.

So how much should Illinois get then? How about the rest of the states? What if a state is managed well and doesn’t need money do they get some too?

If your position is we should throw Illinois 1-2 Billion to keep them above water for a month or three under the guise of “COVID Relief” then I guess that’s not completely out of bounds. If it’s we need 40B to start plus another 500B for....

1 California $152.80 Blue
2 New York $139.20 Blue
3 Massachusetts $77.00 Blue
4 New Jersey $65.90 Blue
5 Illinois $61.80 Blue
6 Texas $51.00 Red
7 Pennsylvania $47.50 Blue
8 Connecticut $38.80 Blue

You might have to start to question the fiscal decision making of a certain party and question if a bailout is appropriate.

You get to choose, by and large, the decisions that lead these states into debt. It wasn’t Covid or Hurricanes or global warming.