Situation involving stockamets - the resolution

[Dan Druff]

Druff, would you concede that this site has fomented its fair share of hate speech directed towards blacks and minorities vis a vis incessant n-bombs and other racial epithets? Consequently, the very kind of speech you champion is muzzling many prospective posters who are either members of minority groups or just simply detest racist hate speech.

By not censoring even in a minimalist fashion, you have tacitly laid the foundation for an alt-right poker site. Now, I don’t personally think the majority of this site’s posters are deplorable racists, but I can easily see why an outsider would get that impression. Why would they bother posting in a hostile environment? This is the reason why the vast majority of free speech sites on the internet are dominated by white supremacists.

This is your site and I won’t tell you how to run it (not that you would actually listen), but this is one of the many reasons why this site has failed to grow. Again, I enjoy these forums for what they are, but let’s not pretend to stand on the illusory moral high ground of free speech with absolutely no limitations.

There is far less use of the n-word or other such speech on this site than any of the community sites which came before it. By a very wide margin. You should've seen NWP and Boris back in the old days.

I have considered asking people to stop with the epithets, and as you've seen I don't use them myself. However, I really hate moderating any kind of speech which isn't either breaking laws or harassing members in some way.

I like the community more deciding what speech they tolerate and what speech they don't.

If speech like that overwhelmed the site and was everywhere, I would do something. I don't see it as a major problem here.

Perhaps the time will come when I feel it's for the good of the site that I disallow things like that. I realize that times change, and it's not 2005 anymore. In general, I like leaving things as open as possible.

I have actually taken heat within poker for this view. Every WSOP I have at least one person politely taking me to task for allowing "hate speech" on here, and I have to explain to them that it's just a free speech thing, and that no malice is intended toward anyone or any group of people.

[Walter Sobchak]

i need for sonatine or srsly to come in here this instant and explain how the fuck that conversation lasted 3 hours

edit -- i see druff added to this

The first hour was basically the airing of grievances.

The second hour was how we planned on dealing with said grievances.

The last hour was more of a potpourri of topics such as famous Jews and gays in sports, Sonatine’s favorite milk steak recipes, srsly doing tremendous amounts of Ecstasy while producing and recording “Party at the DOJ”

When were the feats of strength?

[Bootsy Collins]

Druff, would you concede that this site has fomented its fair share of hate speech directed towards blacks and minorities vis a vis incessant n-bombs and other racial epithets? Consequently, the very kind of speech you champion is muzzling many prospective posters who are either members of minority groups or just simply detest racist hate speech.

By not censoring even in a minimalist fashion, you have tacitly laid the foundation for an alt-right poker site. Now, I don’t personally think the majority of this site’s posters are deplorable racists, but I can easily see why an outsider would get that impression. Why would they bother posting in a hostile environment? This is the reason why the vast majority of free speech sites on the internet are dominated by white supremacists.

This is your site and I won’t tell you how to run it (not that you would actually listen), but this is one of the many reasons why this site has failed to grow. Again, I enjoy these forums for what they are, but let’s not pretend to stand on the illusory moral high ground of free speech with absolutely no limitations.

There is far less use of the n-word or other such speech on this site than any of the community sites which came before it. By a very wide margin. You should've seen NWP and Boris back in the old days.

I have considered asking people to stop with the epithets, and as you've seen I don't use them myself. However, I really hate moderating any kind of speech which isn't either breaking laws or harassing members in some way.

I like the community more deciding what speech they tolerate and what speech they don't.

If speech like that overwhelmed the site and was everywhere, I would do something. I don't see it as a major problem here.

Perhaps the time will come when I feel it's for the good of the site that I disallow things like that. I realize that times change, and it's not 2005 anymore. In general, I like leaving things as open as possible.

I have actually taken heat within poker for this view. Every WSOP I have at least one person politely taking me to task for allowing "hate speech" on here, and I have to explain to them that it's just a free speech thing, and that no malice is intended toward anyone or any group of people.

It's well documented that you do or have in past considered your site not safe for work. Now in current times in which "questionable" speech made from years ago come back to haunt individual people including discipline and even cases termination, do you think that this site still serves your purposes of getting back into forums back in 2012? Back then posting was fun. Now to me not so much and why hence I do not post as much but again I was pretty well medicated back then.

[Crowe Diddly]

I have actually taken heat within poker for this view. Every WSOP I have at least one person politely taking me to task for allowing "hate speech" on here, and I have to explain to them that it's just a free speech thing, and that no malice is intended toward anyone or any group of people.

people reading the site can't guess anyone's intent, but they sure can see people like dwai dropping n-bombs at every opportunity. You can say "no malice is intended," but I bet a lot of people sure as hell feel malice when they read some of the shit here.

and let's be honest, there's plenty, PLEN TEE of malice from some members here.

just did a quick search for the n bomb, and got 34 pages of threads as the result. that's like ~850 threads. seems excessive.

[Dan Druff]

I will consider changing the way I handle the epithets here.

It will have to be something I carefully consider, because as I said, I don't like censoring offensive speech.

Sometimes times do change, as do people's desires regarding forums. So I will take that into account as well. Being older, I sometimes have to remind myself that the world constantly changes.

[Crowe Diddly]

I will consider changing the way I handle the epithets here.

It will have to be something I carefully consider, because as I said, I don't like censoring offensive speech.

Sometimes times do change, as do people's desires regarding forums. So I will take that into account as well. Being older, I sometimes have to remind myself that the world constantly changes.

hey, I've even used the word on here a few times over the decade or however long, but I know it was fucking stupid and I'd not do it again. It's OK for us to get better as we get older. Communities should have basic standards. They don't hurt the exchange of ideas at all. Assholes can be assholes still, comedians can still be funny, and racists can still be racist without having the nword all over the place.

[mulva]

I have actually taken heat within poker for this view. Every WSOP I have at least one person politely taking me to task for allowing "hate speech" on here, and I have to explain to them that it's just a free speech thing, and that no malice is intended toward anyone or any group of people.

people reading the site can't guess anyone's intent, but they sure can see people like dwai dropping n-bombs at every opportunity. You can say "no malice is intended," but I bet a lot of people sure as hell feel malice when they read some of the shit here.

and let's be honest, there's plenty, PLEN TEE of malice from some members here.

just did a quick search for the n bomb, and got 34 pages of threads as the result. that's like ~850 threads. seems excessive.

42 pages and over 900 posts of somebody saying jew

57 pages and over 1100 posts of somebody saying faggot

75 pages and glose to 1800 posts of somebody saying gay


3 pages of posts containing spic...and 7 of wet back (maybe some contain both wet and/or back)

black cock has only 12 pages

[Tellafriend]

Where do we stand on the sucking of cock references?

Asking for a friend.

[tgull]

I will consider changing the way I handle the epithets here.

It will have to be something I carefully consider, because as I said, I don't like censoring offensive speech.

Sometimes times do change, as do people's desires regarding forums. So I will take that into account as well. Being older, I sometimes have to remind myself that the world constantly changes.

woke

[Crowe Diddly]

42 pages and over 900 posts of somebody saying jew

to most normal people, "jew" isn't a slur. yet it was the first one you went to. interesting.

[mulva]

42 pages and over 900 posts of somebody saying jew

to most normal people, "jew" isn't a slur. yet it was the first one you went to. interesting.

nigga, spic, jew use to go hand in hand as insults. and u can bet many of them here are used in that context. pretty sure jewdonk made reference to it in every 1-3 posts he made

[gauchojake]

I think only Jews are supposed to call other Jews Jews. The non Jews are supposed to say something else more reverential like Jewish. I think that's how it works. I think that's the same for the N word.

[blake]

I think only Jews are supposed to call other Jews Jews. The non Jews are supposed to say something else more reverential like Jewish. I think that's how it works. I think that's the same for the N word.

this discussion reminds me of this clip from the office





calling a jewish person a jew is not an ethnic slur

[adamantium]

Who the fuck uses zoom and expects to be taken seriously

[adamantium]

I think only Jews are supposed to call other Jews Jews. The non Jews are supposed to say something else more reverential like Jewish. I think that's how it works. I think that's the same for the N word.

Niggish?

[gauchojake]

I don't even know how we got here...Congrats to all the parties for resolving this


Thomas can I have your jewdonk bot please????

[PLOL]

I'm glad we were able to hash this out. Thanks for taking the call and listening to me.

[Sloppy Joe]

I will consider changing the way I handle the epithets here.

It will have to be something I carefully consider, because as I said, I don't like censoring offensive speech.

Sometimes times do change, as do people's desires regarding forums. So I will take that into account as well. Being older, I sometimes have to remind myself that the world constantly changes.

Damn, them boys over at lolstox must have some shit on Druff for him to make no concessions and to cave to SJW pressure all in the same day.

[IamGreek]

Not to derail the thread--but it will be viewed by many

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[Walter Sobchak]

Where do we stand on the sucking of cock references?

Asking for a friend.

OSA doesn't stand on it he kneels.