Blatant Gambling Scammer Christopher Mitchell (YouTube/Baccarat/Roulette/Sportsbetting)

[Dan Druff]

Also, while on the surface it may seem Christopher is uncollectable regarding a civil judgment -- and indeed he might be tough to collect from -- he has a huge vulnerability here which most people don't have.

Christopher's entire image is based upon being a successful millionaire pro gambler who routinely smashes the casinos with his brilliant (lol) systems.

If someone is uncollectable, you can compel them to return to court to discuss their assets. For most self-employed or unemployed people, they can simply lie in court and get away with it if they're careful. For example, the judge will have no way to tell if you have $100,000 hidden under your mattress, or if a friend is holding it for you.

However, Christopher makes videos every day flashing large amounts of cash, and routinely brags about how rich he is. If he were to be brought into court and asked about paying a judgment against him, he would either have to admit to having the money and pay up immediately OR admit that the money is fake, and that he's actually broke. Either way, you win. You either get paid, or you get him admitting on the record that he's broke and all of the money is fake. Then, if he still pretends to be rich in subsequent videos, others who bought his system or coaching could take him to court for misrepresentation.

In the words of Jessi Slaughter's dad (RIP), "You done goofed", Christopher.

[Dustin Mc]

r, I got your back just like everyone else, the more you do the more we're behind you......on that note, yall didn't think I was going to take this lightly did you? stay tuned in 3.....2....1

[AhoosierA]

Just got done talking with the LV police. They basically said i can't find out if a report was filed against me unless a detective contacts me.

I tried to file a report of CM and they directed me to the FBI because it's an internet complaint

This basically tells me CM didn't file anything with them as i assume they would have turned him to the FBI as well

I agree with this.

Don't bother with the FBI. They are inundated with frivolous or non-actionable complaints based upon internet stuff (such as Nigerian scams). Anything you report to them regarding an internet-related offense will be ignored, unless it's really serious. Once you're told to go to the FBI, you're basically screwed.

But that's okay. I didn't think there would be much or any criminal consequence for this. Feels much more like a civil matter here, and I think you may really have a case.

At the 2nd precinct i went to in LV, i demanded to speak with a supervisor. After explaining the situation the supervisor agreed that although this seemed like a civil matter, i definitely needed to file a report and have a paper trail.

Unfortunately since I live in Henderson and not LV, he said i would need to file the report in Henderson. He said I could give them his name when I went to make the report.

I never thought the police would be able to do anything, i simply want it as a official record to present to the attorney, not that it's really needed but extra "proof" that I'm telling the truth.....otherwise I'd be filing a false police report.

I reached out to several attorney's who basically said they didnt deal with these type of things. I tried to contact the Nevada Bar to get a reference to am attorney that would at least hear the details but nobody had got back with me yet.

I'm definitely not taking this laying down.

If I could get him into court, no matter the outcome, it would be a win in my book

[Dustin Mc]

anyone who wants to call change your life vlog customer service (310) 415-4126 or (614) 600-8443

[donkeykilla]

It looks like he used to be involved with Beachbody, a multi-level marketing company. https://www.linkedin.com/in/itstimetogetrich

[Dan Druff]

Moved the stuff about the other baccarat scammers here: https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...opher-Mitchell

[JeffDime]

Christopher if you’re reading don’t worry I’m not forgetting about you.

[JeffDime]

Let’s let Christopher Mitchell update us on the latest on the Vegas casino openings. With a running commentary as per usual. He’s doesn’t seem pleased. Such a pity.



BTW who do you have to blow to get YouTube to shutdown a channel? Maybe he already knows.

[Dan Druff]

I'm going to reach out to some people who know more about YouTube than I do, and try to get some contacts.

What Christopher did to AHoosierA is definitely a bannable offense.

[Dustin Mc]

I'm going to reach out to some people who know more about YouTube than I do, and try to get some contacts.

What Christopher did to AHoosierA is definitely a bannable offense.

Don't waste your time. Morgenstern did the same thing to people and don't forget the video death threats towards me and my family that Youtube did nothing about. That's why I wanted to come on and talk about it all because that's how screwed up social media is allowing this shit to happen. You'd be better off trying to put him in touch with a lawyer who'd help him pro bono go after CM

[Dustin Mc]

Just got done talking with the LV police. They basically said i can't find out if a report was filed against me unless a detective contacts me.

I tried to file a report of CM and they directed me to the FBI because it's an internet complaint

This basically tells me CM didn't file anything with them as i assume they would have turned him to the FBI as well

I agree with this.

Don't bother with the FBI. They are inundated with frivolous or non-actionable complaints based upon internet stuff (such as Nigerian scams). Anything you report to them regarding an internet-related offense will be ignored, unless it's really serious. Once you're told to go to the FBI, you're basically screwed.

But that's okay. I didn't think there would be much or any criminal consequence for this. Feels much more like a civil matter here, and I think you may really have a case.

Holy shit Dan, I mustve glanced over this. Are you kidding me telling Hoosier dont bother contacting the FBI about this? Wow. I'm shocked you would advise him with such horrible advice "to just let it go".......BULL FUCKING SHIT! He absolutely needs to get that local police report and file a report with the Fbi. You just sounded like many others who told me "dont go to the FBI" or "youre just wasting your time, they wont do anything"...... If I had that mentality the morgenstern would still be monetarily and physically harming people to this date.....i will let it be known in your forum, THIS FUCKING PISSES ME OFF TO HIGH HELL YOU ADVISING HIM TO NOT GO TO FBI WITH THIS!
The FBI was doing something, aldeit keystone cops and the USAO was giving him green light to keep investigating, I just ran out of patience after that year long investigation ultimately which led to the USAO dropping my case

This is an internet matter, that Hoosier uncovered he went to a CM fake FB accounts posing as Bob Hesley. This also is a internet crime. So how many other fake FB accounts has he created with do you? That's what the FBI is for and it's up to them to decide what priority level this falls under. Yes, probably the lowest, but from gathering intel, he's duped approximately 90K + im as little as 5 months from people. My bet is in order to do that he's used fake fb accounts in his fb group in order to create fictitious events, fictitious stories in order to get people to go from giving him from their $750 worthless strategies to the $2500 1 on 1 coaching.
This is ILLEGAL internet fraud and is a felony. Again, still probably going to fall under the lowest priority, but Hoosier needs to atleast try which is calling the FBI and have their report takers document everything, including how he messaged Bob and it was CM doing more identity theft. If it doesnt land on a field officers desk, then atleast he tried as far as he could go, BUT ATLEAST TRY.
I can coach him through what now the report taker will do and how Hoosier needs to tell them his family is worried and are now being harassed

[JeffDime]

[Dustin Mc]

Ive told you multiple times your comments are hidden from his channel and only you can see them


Hey Donkey Kill, GO FUCK YOURSELF LITTLE MAN

[Dan Druff]

I agree with this.

Don't bother with the FBI. They are inundated with frivolous or non-actionable complaints based upon internet stuff (such as Nigerian scams). Anything you report to them regarding an internet-related offense will be ignored, unless it's really serious. Once you're told to go to the FBI, you're basically screwed.

But that's okay. I didn't think there would be much or any criminal consequence for this. Feels much more like a civil matter here, and I think you may really have a case.

Holy shit Dan, I mustve glanced over this. Are you kidding me telling Hoosier dont bother contacting the FBI about this? Wow. I'm shocked you would advise him with such horrible advice "to just let it go".......BULL FUCKING SHIT! He absolutely needs to get that local police report and file a report with the Fbi. You just sounded like many others who told me "dont go to the FBI" or "youre just wasting your time, they wont do anything"...... If I had that mentality the morgenstern would still be monetarily and physically harming people to this date.....i will let it be known in your forum, THIS FUCKING PISSES ME OFF TO HIGH HELL YOU ADVISING HIM TO NOT GO TO FBI WITH THIS!
The FBI was doing something, aldeit keystone cops and the USAO was giving him green light to keep investigating, I just ran out of patience after that year long investigation ultimately which led to the USAO dropping my case

This is an internet matter, that Hoosier uncovered he went to a CM fake FB accounts posing as Bob Hesley. This also is a internet crime. So how many other fake FB accounts has he created with do you? That's what the FBI is for and it's up to them to decide what priority level this falls under. Yes, probably the lowest, but from gathering intel, he's duped approximately 90K + im as little as 5 months from people. My bet is in order to do that he's used fake fb accounts in his fb group in order to create fictitious events, fictitious stories in order to get people to go from giving him from their $750 worthless strategies to the $2500 1 on 1 coaching.
This is ILLEGAL internet fraud and is a felony. Again, still probably going to fall under the lowest priority, but Hoosier needs to atleast try which is calling the FBI and have their report takers document everything, including how he messaged Bob and it was CM doing more identity theft. If it doesnt land on a field officers desk, then atleast he tried as far as he could go, BUT ATLEAST TRY.
I can coach him through what now the report taker will do and how Hoosier needs to tell them his family is worried and are now being harassed

The Morgenstern thing was a much more serious matter, as you showed in your videos.

The FBI gets tonnnnnnnnnnnnns of reports every day about internet "crimes". You'd be shocked if you saw the vast number they get every day. That's why they made it very difficult to even find a phone number for them. If they made a phone number easily available, they would get inundated with phone calls all day.

The FBI would not even bother to touch a case like this, where a guy's social security number is exposed on a paper in a video that's up for 6 hours. It's one of these things which is technically illegal, but the FBI would never touch.

CM's scamming itself would possibly be caseworthy if it occurred on a greater scale. However, right now it's simply not big enough. It's a small-time operation, which is why CM isn't actually rich. The CM "coaching" matter is one which, right now, would best be handled by a civil lawsuit or a report to the local police by actual victims. (Sadly, you and I cannot report this, as we weren't victims of CM.)

There's the other problem that selling a "winning system" by itself isn't illegal, of course. Let's say I were to sell a variation of card counting which I believed gave people an additional edge, but it turned out I made a math mistake, and my system was actually -EV. This wouldn't be a crime -- at worst I could be sued for misrepresentation.

It's only a crime when you're knowingly selling a shit system and claiming it wins. Clearly that's what CM is doing. However, law enforcement could easily get confused by all of this, and simply believe it's a civil matter, like in my example above. A dedicated detective could put together a lot of CM's false claims (such as stories about winning "every time" or "winning $5,000 on average per session"), and connect that to his false claims about his system winning. Still, authorities don't usually touch stuff like this. That's how some of these scammer sportsbetting touts like Vegas Dave get away with it.

With YouTube, it's all about who you know. If I were friends with a middle manager at YouTube, CM's channel would be shut down today. There are plenty of violations he's already committed. Sadly, I'm not friends with a manager at YouTube, but if someone could connect us with one, attention could be brought to his channel, and it could be deleted.

You're correct that, in general, YouTube doesn't like removing controversial channels, especially when copyright issues are not in play. However, it can still be done if you reach the right people.

[donkeykilla]

Ive told you multiple times your comments are hidden from his channel and only you can see them


Hey Donkey Kill, GO FUCK YOURSELF LITTLE MAN

Learn how to say strategy and people might take your amateurish videos seriously. It's not stragety, it's strategy big boy.

[Dustin Mc]

Ive told you multiple times your comments are hidden from his channel and only you can see them


Hey Donkey Kill, GO FUCK YOURSELF LITTLE MAN

Learn how to say strategy and people might take your amateurish videos seriously. It's not stragety, it's strategy big boy.

I guess you didn't comprehend or you're just too illiterate in go fuck yourself. Same invitation to CM or anyone who has issue with what I do or say they can meet me in streets to discuss is. So if youre a toad and feel froggy, hop on up to the plate otherwise be the keyboard bitch you are in life whose only step in to a gym to ask directions to the nearest burger king

[Dustin Mc]

Holy shit Dan, I mustve glanced over this. Are you kidding me telling Hoosier dont bother contacting the FBI about this? Wow. I'm shocked you would advise him with such horrible advice "to just let it go".......BULL FUCKING SHIT! He absolutely needs to get that local police report and file a report with the Fbi. You just sounded like many others who told me "dont go to the FBI" or "youre just wasting your time, they wont do anything"...... If I had that mentality the morgenstern would still be monetarily and physically harming people to this date.....i will let it be known in your forum, THIS FUCKING PISSES ME OFF TO HIGH HELL YOU ADVISING HIM TO NOT GO TO FBI WITH THIS!
The FBI was doing something, aldeit keystone cops and the USAO was giving him green light to keep investigating, I just ran out of patience after that year long investigation ultimately which led to the USAO dropping my case

This is an internet matter, that Hoosier uncovered he went to a CM fake FB accounts posing as Bob Hesley. This also is a internet crime. So how many other fake FB accounts has he created with do you? That's what the FBI is for and it's up to them to decide what priority level this falls under. Yes, probably the lowest, but from gathering intel, he's duped approximately 90K + im as little as 5 months from people. My bet is in order to do that he's used fake fb accounts in his fb group in order to create fictitious events, fictitious stories in order to get people to go from giving him from their $750 worthless strategies to the $2500 1 on 1 coaching.
This is ILLEGAL internet fraud and is a felony. Again, still probably going to fall under the lowest priority, but Hoosier needs to atleast try which is calling the FBI and have their report takers document everything, including how he messaged Bob and it was CM doing more identity theft. If it doesnt land on a field officers desk, then atleast he tried as far as he could go, BUT ATLEAST TRY.
I can coach him through what now the report taker will do and how Hoosier needs to tell them his family is worried and are now being harassed

The Morgenstern thing was a much more serious matter, as you showed in your videos.

The FBI gets tonnnnnnnnnnnnns of reports every day about internet "crimes". You'd be shocked if you saw the vast number they get every day. That's why they made it very difficult to even find a phone number for them. If they made a phone number easily available, they would get inundated with phone calls all day.

The FBI would not even bother to touch a case like this, where a guy's social security number is exposed on a paper in a video that's up for 6 hours. It's one of these things which is technically illegal, but the FBI would never touch.

CM's scamming itself would possibly be caseworthy if it occurred on a greater scale. However, right now it's simply not big enough. It's a small-time operation, which is why CM isn't actually rich. The CM "coaching" matter is one which, right now, would best be handled by a civil lawsuit or a report to the local police by actual victims. (Sadly, you and I cannot report this, as we weren't victims of CM.)

There's the other problem that selling a "winning system" by itself isn't illegal, of course. Let's say I were to sell a variation of card counting which I believed gave people an additional edge, but it turned out I made a math mistake, and my system was actually -EV. This wouldn't be a crime -- at worst I could be sued for misrepresentation.

It's only a crime when you're knowingly selling a shit system and claiming it wins. Clearly that's what CM is doing. However, law enforcement could easily get confused by all of this, and simply believe it's a civil matter, like in my example above. A dedicated detective could put together a lot of CM's false claims (such as stories about winning "every time" or "winning $5,000 on average per session"), and connect that to his false claims about his system winning. Still, authorities don't usually touch stuff like this. That's how some of these scammer sportsbetting touts like Vegas Dave get away with it.

With YouTube, it's all about who you know. If I were friends with a middle manager at YouTube, CM's channel would be shut down today. There are plenty of violations he's already committed. Sadly, I'm not friends with a manager at YouTube, but if someone could connect us with one, attention could be brought to his channel, and it could be deleted.

You're correct that, in general, YouTube doesn't like removing controversial channels, especially when copyright issues are not in play. However, it can still be done if you reach the right people.

Trust me I know all to well about the FBI being overloaded, but Hoosier still NEEDS to go through the motions, this would give him ammo that he did everything he was suppose to do and has a court case against him. I disagree highly with the advice you gave hoosier as it's his life that's being disrupted. CM still thinks Hoosier is me and still trying to convince his viewers the same. So it will ONLY stop if law enforcement and/or courts get involved

As far as how big CM's scam goes, its documented he's stealing name, images from FB accounts, creating his own to impersonate them as a client in his FB group. Again, 90K scammed in 5 months and growing EASILY warrants FBI's attention along with the identity thefts to go along with aiding in his scams. I can not confirm or deny what I know about Robert Hesley (the guy hoosier thought he was contacting) However, he would be a credible withness if subpoena'd or contacted by the FBI, that I KNOW OF NOW.

We can agree to disagree but youve got the respect level of your forum members so they deserve better advice. If the roles were reversed and CM did that to you and still telling his viewers every video since its definitely you. would you say fuck it, not worth reporting it for documentation purposes atleast? let alone litigation ammo since hoosier is in same city as him and restraining order and/pr lawsuit would easi;y ne won by hoosier as long as he exhausted EVERY avenue

Also, try to convince Donkey Killa to meet me in person, I could use another crash test dummy for my fists

[Dan Druff]

At first when I listened to Kevin's videos, I wondered why the guy couldn't pronounce "strategy" correctly, but then after listening to a lot of them, I realized that was the only word he was mispronouncing, and it had to be some kind of joke or inside reference.

Kind of like how I say "ar-chives" with a soft "ch" sound, as an old reference to a caller who pronounced it incorrectly, and people actually believe I don't know how to pronounce the word.

[Dan Druff]

Anyway, let's get away from the infighting here and focus on the task at hand.

[JeffDime]

Almost everyone has words they may pronounce slightly different. There are times where I post and I have time to really try to be thorough. Other times I am tired or just don’t have time to really fix it up properly. I know this is a forum & when I post something I need to be ready for all types of criticism including mistakes, my opinion, my writing style or even just a personal attack. Some will be constructive, some not & some just down right mean-spirited. Of course that happens more in the other sections but nevertheless some will happen here.

This is a tough time I know I have been basically isolated by myself coming up on three months. There is more than one way to skin a cat. We can disagree without making it personal. Let’s not have Christopher Mitchell read this and enjoy us shooting at each other too much if we can help it. Or you can tell me to go fuck myself. Either way.