i can't speak to the validity of the data quoted here but fwiw
https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...ot-a-lot-rightNational polls only measure the popular vote. Clinton did, in fact, win the national popular vote by 2.1 points. The average of the 13 final national polls had Clinton ahead by 3.1 points, which was only a point off the actual result.
Ironically, all 12 polls that had Clinton ahead turned out to be closer to the final outcome than the poll that had Trump ahead. While that may seem crazy — since Trump, not Clinton, is headed to the White House — it's true. The poll that put Trump ahead (by 2 points) was off by 4.1 points, while polls that gave Clinton the lead were off anywhere from only one-tenth of a point to less than 4 points.
National polling did much better in 2016 than in 2012, when the average of the final polls in the contest between President Obama and GOP nominee Mitt Romney was off by more than 3 points. Polls showed Obama winning the popular vote by only seven-tenths of a point, and on Election Day he captured a wider 3.9-point vote margin.
turkey's invading northern syria in hours because despite lindsey graham's twitter warnings, no one in fact takes the united states seriously anymore.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
When Trump got elected everyone was freaking out criticizing him saying John Bolton controlled his foreign policy and he was going to escalate US military presence in the Middle East. Then he fires Bolton and starts withdrawing military from the Middle East and now he is being criticized for this.
Whatever Trump's innumerable failings are, seems like Trump critics are talking out of both sides of their mouth on this one.
HOW COOL IS ATINE BTW
https://twitter.com/twt/status/1180904838349111299
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Okay?
Again, too much focus on popular vote. I get that this is making the point that Trump narrowly won a number of swing states, but it's no coincidence that he did far better than expected in several states where his chances of winning were considered fairly low -- Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin. Then he also landed on the right side of the close races in Ohio and Florida, and I think a few others.
This wasn't just dumb luck. The polls in the swing states underestimated him.
That's why he was given such a tiny chance to win -- something even I was fooled into believing, as well.
Instead of this dumb article twisting numbers to try and make themselves seem more right than they really were, they should be pushing that they were one of the few outlets claiming before the election that Trump had a realistic chance to upset.
Also, Democrats still haven't taken a serious look inward, and realized that Trump's victory was largely a result of the left abandoning white working class people, and not the sudden rise of a white supremacist movement in the US.
Trump has given them all kinds of valid reasons to attack him over the past 3 years. It's amazing how they're mostly shitting the bed, and focusing upon all the wrong things.
Who cares about your hand wringing introspection. Believe me many can out right think and out right write you. For instance you have no sense of humour, especially a self deprecating humour.
Very telling.
It ultimately means you are an idiot
You can go to school all day and come out
a moron. That’s you my friend
You know everything and talk about it You want free speech
Well listen up
I do like you kinda, but you’re an idiot
Your poor non wife must be driven crazy each and every day with the non stop
blatther
Last edited by limitles; 10-08-2019 at 08:59 PM.
Of course not. Point being if Trump said we going into middle eastern country X with 15K incremental new troops the right would be all for it and the left would be against it. If one party was going to lead the way on getting all our troops home it would be the Democrats.
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