Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

once the government gives out free stuff, it will never end.

trump actually ran on repealing and replacing obamacare, had a republican congress and senate as well as a conservative supreme court, and still couldn't get rid of it.

you would need such a fail that it would threaten the existence of the country itself (like a venezuela situation) before single payer would get repealed.
Wouldn't have to turn into Venezuela.

Picture this:

Socialized medicine passes.

Medical profession totally not ready for it, and idiot politicians didn't expect the various complications of such a switch. Tons of fail occurs. Utilization goes WAY up (as it will), causing 6-month-type wait lists for doctor visits, tests, and procedures, except in dire emergencies. People cannot see the doctor when they need to, and pretty soon the media picks up on this and there's a tremendous backlash. Everyone just wishes they could go back to the old system. Democrats keep saying to give it time and wait for the kinks to be worked out, but the fail continues, and the waits to get an appointment are staggering.

Next election comes. Republicans hammer this hard. Democrats have little to say other than "lol it works in Europe and Canada, just give it time and it'll be great". People don't buy it. Big win for Republicans on the promise this will all be repealed. They repeal it quickly and return it to some form of the old system.
i really don't understand why you think that other countries can do this successfully, but americans can't. i think i'm more optimistic than you about our capabilities.

but aside from that fact, can you cite a government handout that was given to americans that was later taken away?

druff: "republicans will repeal it quickly and return it to some form of the old system." -- are you hearing yourself?

trump couldn't even repeal even obamacare with an entirely republican government, even though that was his core campaign promise. and you think they'll come up with an entirely new system to replace a vastly more complex socialized medicine program -- after the insurance companies will have likely been made obsolete?

single payer would have to be an unbelievably catastrophic fail for that to happen.