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Originally Posted by Dan Druff
trollol alert
Middle class and poor getting fucked per usual.How’s that a problem? The “rich” already pay a huge amount in taxes.
Hippies will still complain if we move to a flat tax rate.
IIRC, Trump is going to lower the middle class’s tax by 10%.
Interesting interview with Jonah Goldberg, a guy I respect and who's book Liberal Fascism is terrific.
Longtime conservative columnist tells why he's a 'Never Trumper'
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/polit...axe/index.html
Conservative writer Jonah Goldberg calls himself a "Never Trumper."
"I don't think I should change my positions about all sorts of things just because (Trump's) a Republican," Goldberg told David Axelrod on "The Axe Files," a podcast from the University of Chicago Institute of Politics and CNN.
Goldberg, a columnist for the National Review and the author of "Suicide of the West: How the Rebirth of Nationalism, Populism, and Identity Politics Is Destroying American Democracy," believes strongly in identifying the flaws within one's own party, even when it comes to the President.
"What bothers me, and what I think is so corrupting of conservatism and of the Republican Party, is that we are hardwired evolutionarily to resist the idea that our leaders are bad people."
Here are three reasons Goldberg cited for considering himself a "Never Trumper":
1. President Donald Trump doesn't stick to a single ideology
"The problem is that Trump himself is beholden to no coherent intellectual or ideological program. And so at some point it's sort of like, do you play the man or do you play the ball?"
Goldberg predicts that loyal followers of Trump will inevitably find themselves in a "dilemma" trying to back him up.
"Do they defend the ever-serpentining Donald Trump, or do they defend the ideas? And you can't do both, because he's going to flip-flop so much."
Goldberg doesn't even identify the President's point of view as an ideology: " 'Trumpism' isn't an ideological or intellectual program. It's a psychological phenomenon, both in terms of understanding the President and understanding his biggest supporters."
2. Trump has serious 'winner's bias'
"Trump kind of is a black swan in that way: Because of his ego, he retroactively thinks that anything he did is the reason why he's where he is," Goldberg said.
Goldberg cites the confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh as an example of Trump's "winner's bias." By inserting himself into the hearing through publicly mocking Christine Blasey Ford, Goldbberg said, the President believes he is the reason for Kavanaugh's confirmation.
"So many of Trump's supporters and Trump himself think that's why they won the Kavanaugh fight, when in fact, he put the Kavanaugh confirmation in more jeopardy at that moment than at any other point," said Goldberg
"They have now internalized, once again, that the way you win is to be the most obnoxious, most cantankerous, most pugnacious person in the fight."
3. Trump doesn't take criticism well
"Traditionally, the way you guide or herd a president to a certain position is you say nice things about him when he does the things that you like, and you criticize him when he does the things that are wrong. The problem is, is that Trump has none of the normal reactions to criticism," Goldberg said.
In order for Trump to respond, "it has to be praise," according to Goldberg. This, in turn, leads to notable repercussions that can "distort our understanding of how politics works."
So instead of openly criticizing the President, even those who disagree with Trump will flatter him publicly.
"Rand Paul, who has probably done more than any other Republican to undermine huge chunks of the Trump agenda," Goldberg said, "sucks up to Trump in public. ... And this is the mechanism of a cult of personality."
I understand the position you're in but there seems to be little backlash to your leader's directives, comments etc. from the Republican party.
An elected Republican has nothing to fear from Donald Trump..... it's almost the opposite if enough people speak up
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
So Trump visits Pittsburgh. Very quiet no press conferences or big statements. Acted presidential for once but the Dems just can’t stfu for one day.
Leaders wouldn’t meet with him.
Protestors held protests very close to the crime scene.
I don’t like Trump but this is the state of America right now. A shitty President shuts down his act for one day but the left can’t let it go for a single day.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-res...rms-1540837561
credit where its due; this shit should have happened a decade ago.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
its war. he declared war on the left. youre asking for what hes asking for; people to stfu and move on. its not going to happen.
the beatings will continue until morale improves and if the democrats claim the house, its going to be exactly what he's been begging for; a legal coup.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
I agree.
Trump actually behaved today. The media had a chance to reward him with a bit of good coverage which very well could have encouraged him to behave more in the future.
To be fair, I was only asking people to STFU about Trump for one day as he tried to help a city mourn.
its war. he declared war on the left. youre asking for what hes asking for; people to stfu and move on. its not going to happen.
the beatings will continue until morale improves and if the democrats claim the house, its going to be exactly what he's been begging for; a legal coup.
Tomorrow go at him guns blazing.
For all the bullshit this man has spread there should be no concern.
It's unfortunate that anything good is stained by his presence but that's
the fact. He has bloodied so many things good that allowing him some grace
by association is a loss
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
"The founding fathers did not like the idea of the tyranny of the majority ruling the country"
Dan Druff
“I don't know what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Albert Einstein
"Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, but today if a gift
and that is why it's called the present"
Eleanor Roosevelt
What’re you talking about?trollol alert
How’s that?Middle class and poor getting fucked per usual.
Edit: Ya know, you guys can use your words to describe the point you’re trying to get across. How is lowering taxes on the middle class going to fuck them? Poor people already don’t pay or pay very little in income tax, they are the beneficiaries of the social programs....lololol
Because Trump is obviously lying about the 10% tax cut to get mid term votes.What’re you talking about?
To be fair, I was only asking people to STFU about Trump for one day as he tried to help a city mourn.
Tomorrow go at him guns blazing.
the problem with this gesture is that his hamfisted demigog act essentially legitimized right wing fringe elements and a lot of those fringe elements are batshit insane.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
the problem with this gesture is that his hamfisted demigog act essentially legitimized right wing fringe elements and a lot of those fringe elements are batshit insane.why does it look like both of those loony toons came from /pol right after they came up with one of the greatest memes ever???
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/11/02/...te-for-me.htmlDonald Trump's former attorney Michael Cohen: Trump said 'black people are too stupid to vote for me'
The poor get fucked indirectly when the middle class is screwed by the wealthy for two reasons:What’re you talking about?
How’s that?Middle class and poor getting fucked per usual.
Edit: Ya know, you guys can use your words to describe the point you’re trying to get across. How is lowering taxes on the middle class going to fuck them? Poor people already don’t pay or pay very little in income tax, they are the beneficiaries of the social programs....lololol
(1) When the middle class gets fucked by the wealthy, it's harder for the poor to reach the middle class given the greater competition within that class.
(2) It makes it easier for the wealthy to use divide-and-conquer to divert the anger of many in the middle class at the poor for the problems they are experiencing, thereby making it easier to cut programs for the poor and perpetuate the reduced opportunity for the reach to reach the middle class.
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