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    The issue is you are trying to portray some sort of moral relativism between the US and North Korea. That is absolutely clownish. That is a reason Trump is getting so much criticism of the way he is handling North Korean diplomacy, because he seems so indifferent how evil their govt actually is.

    If you wanted to compare Britain and the US regarding moral relativism that would probably be more fair. Over the last 500 years as a totality Britain certainly mucked up the world much worse, although the last 70 years the US has done more. Probably a wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verminaard View Post
    The issue is you are trying to portray some sort of moral relativism between the US and North Korea. That is absolutely clownish. That is a reason Trump is getting so much criticism of the way he is handling North Korean diplomacy, because he seems so indifferent how evil their govt actually is.

    If you wanted to compare Britain and the US regarding moral relativism that would probably be more fair. Over the last 500 years as a totality Britain certainly mucked up the world much worse, although the last 70 years the US has done more. Probably a wash.

    What? Where in the OP post which triggered your novel did I make such a link?

    I said I don't blame them for trying to gain nuclear capability in the aftermath of the Korean War. There is absolutely nothing controversial in making such a comment. NOTHING.

    And considering the British Empire caused death, destruction and misery right across the world, I won't dare try to defend it.

    But I will say this. If it wasn't for The Empire, what would America be today?

    What culture, language, wealth, relevance would you have right now?
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    It's the future, the year 2020...Donald Trump has fucked more pornstars and playboy playmates that look like his daughter.

    And Donald Trump has won re-election.

    How Trump won re-election in 2020

    By Bret Stephens

    Mon, Jul 30, 2018 (2 a.m.)

    (A sneak peek at The New York Times’ news analysis from the future.)

    Nov. 4, 2020

    In the end, a bitterly fought election came down to the old political aphorism, popularized during Bill Clinton’s successful 1992 run against George H.W. Bush: “It’s the economy, stupid.” This time, however, it was the Republican incumbent, not his Democratic challenger, who benefited from that truism.

    Donald Trump has been decisively re-elected as president of the United States, winning every state he carried in 2016 and adding Nevada, even as he once again failed, albeit narrowly, to gain a majority of the popular vote. Extraordinary turnout in California, New York, Illinois and other Democratic bastions could not compensate for the president’s abiding popularity in the states that still decide who gets to live in the White House: Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida.

    Yet, unlike 2016, last night’s outcome came neither as a political upset nor as a global shock. Trump and Vice President Mike Pence have consistently polled ahead of Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and her running mate, Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio, since July. The New York Times correctly predicted the outcome of the race in every state, another marked change from 2016.

    In exit poll interviews, Trump’s supporters frequently cited the state of the economy to explain their vote. “What part of Dow 30,000 do the liberals not understand?” Kevin O’Reilly of Manchester, N.H., told The Times.

    Warren and Brown never seemed to find a compelling answer to that question, despite an economy that continues to struggle with painfully slow wage growth, spiraling budget deficits and multiplying trade wars that have hurt businesses as diverse as Ohio soybean farmers and California chipmakers.

    Yet both Democrats are also skeptics of trade agreements such as NAFTA, which served to mute their differences with the president. And their signature proposals — Medicare for all and free college tuition for most American families — would have been expensive and would require tax increases on families making more than $200,000. Trump and other Republicans charged they would “bankrupt you and bankrupt the country.”

    Meanwhile, the U.S. economy grew at an annual rate of 3.2 percent in the last quarter, the third consecutive quarter in which growth has exceeded 3 percent. Unemployment remains low at 4.1 percent.

    With neither a recession nor a major war to run against, Democrats sought instead to cast the election in starkly moral terms. Yet by Election Day, the charge that Trump is morally or intellectually unfit for office had been made so often that it had lost most of its former edge among swing voters.

    “I don’t care if he lies or exaggerates in his tweets or breaks his vows to his wife, so long as he keeps his promises to me,” Leah Rownan, a self-described social conservative from Henderson, Nev., told The Times, citing the economy and Trump’s Supreme Court nominations as decisive for her vote. “And he has.”

    Many of Trump’s supporters also said they felt vindicated by the conclusions of Robert Mueller’s report on Russia’s interference in the 2016 election. While the former FBI director painted a damning portrait of a campaign that was riddled with Kremlin sympathizers and a candidate whose real estate ventures were beholden to Russian investors, no clear evidence of collusion between Trump and Moscow ever emerged and the president was never indicted.

    “It was always a red herring, just like Trump said,” said Bernard Schwartz, a gun store owner from Houston, Texas. “Democrats wasted a lot of ammo on that one.”

    Democrats also failed to capitalize on, and may have been damaged by, winning back control of the House of Representatives, but not the Senate, in the 2018 midterms. Trump proved effective, if characteristically vitriolic, in making a foil of the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi. Efforts to impeach the president mainly served to energize his base. Polling surveys suggested that wavering voters saw a Democratic Party more invested in humiliating the president than in helping them.

    As is often the case in losing presidential campaigns, it did not take long for campaign aides to Warren to offer damning appraisals of her performance as a candidate. Historical references abounded: The Children’s Crusade; Pickett’s Charge; the McGovern campaign of 1972. The common thread was that the campaign’s moral fervor repeatedly got the better of its message focus.

    “Trump succeeded,” lamented one moderate former Democratic lawmaker who asked to speak on background. “He got my party to lose its marbles.” The lawmaker cited calls by party activists to abolish the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency — calls the Warren campaign did not formally endorse but did little to refute — as emblematic of the party’s broader problems.

    “What do Democrats stand for?” he asked. “Lawlessness or liberality? Policymaking or virtue signaling? Gender-neutral pronouns and bathrooms or good jobs and higher wages?”

    As is his way, Trump wasted little time rubbing salt into Democratic wounds. “Democrats used to stand with the Working Man,” he tweeted Wednesday morning. “Now it’s the party of Abortion and Amnesty. All that’s missing is Acid. Sad!”

    Bret Stephens is a columnist for The New York Times.



     
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    Trump wants to give away another huge tax cut to the very rich, this time by changing the way capital gains taxes are calculated. And he proposes to do it via Treasury Regulation, not legislation.


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    This is a genuine Tweet

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    Wouldn't colluding with a foreign government against the United States be considered treason?

    I'm not saying he did collude with the Russians, but this Tweet is rather unsettling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty_Aus View Post
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    Wouldn't colluding with a foreign government against the United States be considered treason?

    I'm not saying he did collude with the Russians, but this Tweet is rather unsettling.
    It wouldn't necessarily be treason, which is a crime defined in the constitution. But there are a variety of crimes under which it could fall. It is a crime for foreign agents to attempt to influence an American election and for his campaign to assist foreign agents in doing so or to knowingly benefit from that would be a crime even if Trump himself did not. "Collusion" could be conspiracy to influence the election which is certainly a crime. And even if there was no collusion, to hear all the US intelligence agencies say this happened and continues to happen and to see people start to be indicted for it and not to do anything about it, to deny it is even happening, is a complete dereliction of duty. It is already an impeachable offence by itself even if not a crime, because the president can be impeached for not doing his job, and one of his jobs under the constitution is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

     
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    Trump offers to meet the leader of Iran. Iran's response: fuck you, America cannot be trusted.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
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    Wouldn't colluding with a foreign government against the United States be considered treason?

    I'm not saying he did collude with the Russians, but this Tweet is rather unsettling.
    It wouldn't necessarily be treason, which is a crime defined in the constitution. But there are a variety of crimes under which it could fall. It is a crime for foreign agents to attempt to influence an American election and for his campaign to assist foreign agents in doing so or to knowingly benefit from that would be a crime even if Trump himself did not. "Collusion" could be conspiracy to influence the election which is certainly a crime. And even if there was no collusion, to hear all the US intelligence agencies say this happened and continues to happen and to see people start to be indicted for it and not to do anything about it, to deny it is even happening, is a complete dereliction of duty. It is already an impeachable offence by itself even if not a crime, because the president can be impeached for not doing his job, and one of his jobs under the constitution is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

    collusion is simply the fuel that drives a conspiracy charge.

    and thats where the waters get real deep, because you have this legal kill chain from him saying, in public, at a rally, hey russia hack the dnc and give me their emails, then russia says ok cool done lets do business, then he sends his half wit kid to the meeting.

    thats conspiracy to commit about 3-5 major felonies that people i knew for years did pound me in the ass prison time over, and all but one of them didnt even touch government computers or involve a hostile foreign government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
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    Build my wall Trump.

    I want my wall. Need my wall.

    In reverse words from field of dreams. " Build it and they WONT come"

    Trump will get this done.

    Got to have my wall .
    He threatened a government shutdown if he doesn't get his wall.

    ONE TIME
    assuming you’re not in favor of the wall, i’m curious as to why you want this?

    if you think this will hurt him politically, my guess is it will do just the opposite. if he sticks to his guns, i actually think it will be the dems that cave, just like they did when the dems threatened a shutdown over DACA but caved after one day.

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    Blake also refused to cave when his friends were like wait ur gonna marry her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    It wouldn't necessarily be treason, which is a crime defined in the constitution. But there are a variety of crimes under which it could fall. It is a crime for foreign agents to attempt to influence an American election and for his campaign to assist foreign agents in doing so or to knowingly benefit from that would be a crime even if Trump himself did not. "Collusion" could be conspiracy to influence the election which is certainly a crime. And even if there was no collusion, to hear all the US intelligence agencies say this happened and continues to happen and to see people start to be indicted for it and not to do anything about it, to deny it is even happening, is a complete dereliction of duty. It is already an impeachable offence by itself even if not a crime, because the president can be impeached for not doing his job, and one of his jobs under the constitution is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."

    collusion is simply the fuel that drives a conspiracy charge.

    and thats where the waters get real deep, because you have this legal kill chain from him saying, in public, at a rally, hey russia hack the dnc and give me their emails, then russia says ok cool done lets do business, then he sends his half wit kid to the meeting.

    thats conspiracy to commit about 3-5 major felonies that people i knew for years did pound me in the ass prison time over, and all but one of them didnt even touch government computers or involve a hostile foreign government.





    the dems have so much nothing that they serious might use an obvious mocking joke as a political strategy

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post


    collusion is simply the fuel that drives a conspiracy charge.

    and thats where the waters get real deep, because you have this legal kill chain from him saying, in public, at a rally, hey russia hack the dnc and give me their emails, then russia says ok cool done lets do business, then he sends his half wit kid to the meeting.

    thats conspiracy to commit about 3-5 major felonies that people i knew for years did pound me in the ass prison time over, and all but one of them didnt even touch government computers or involve a hostile foreign government.





    the dems have so much nothing that they serious might use an obvious mocking joke as a political strategy


    https://www.bloombergquint.com/polit...ngs#gs.xY5imqM



    oh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    the dems have so much nothing that they serious might use an obvious mocking joke as a political strategy


    https://www.bloombergquint.com/polit...ngs#gs.xY5imqM



    oh.
    that's funny I think I used that word earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
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    the dems have so much nothing that they serious might use an obvious mocking joke as a political strategy


    https://www.bloombergquint.com/polit...ngs#gs.xY5imqM



    oh.
    How many times in this thread have you dropped a link to a story (followed by some witty one-liner) that is supposed to be some game-changer that ultimately leads to nothing? I’m going to guess over 200 times and that is being kind. Mueller and the media will never get Trump because there’s nothing there and they only serve to make him stronger.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BiffCo99 View Post
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    How many times in this thread have you dropped a link to a story (followed by some witty one-liner) that is supposed to be some game-changer that ultimately leads to nothing? I’m going to guess over 200 times and that is being kind. Mueller and the media will never get Trump because there’s nothing there and they only serve to make him stronger.
    Nothing there except a Manchurian Candidate.

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    He threatened a government shutdown if he doesn't get his wall.

    ONE TIME
    assuming you’re not in favor of the wall, i’m curious as to why you want this?

    if you think this will hurt him politically, my guess is it will do just the opposite. if he sticks to his guns, i actually think it will be the dems that cave, just like they did when the dems threatened a shutdown over DACA but caved after one day.

    I am VERY much in favor of the wall. So much in favor of it since Tom Tancredo proposed in his campaign that he would round up all the illegals and make them build the wall and then put them on the other side of it.

    Trump promised the wall and he will build it . I want him to force the Dems into a shutdown. I don't care how much it costs. The people have spoken .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gookieheimowitz View Post
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    assuming you’re not in favor of the wall, i’m curious as to why you want this?

    if you think this will hurt him politically, my guess is it will do just the opposite. if he sticks to his guns, i actually think it will be the dems that cave, just like they did when the dems threatened a shutdown over DACA but caved after one day.

    I am VERY much in favor of the wall. So much in favor of it since Tom Tancredo proposed in his campaign that he would round up all the illegals and make them build the wall and then put them on the other side of it.

    Trump promised the wall and he will build it . I want him to force the Dems into a shutdown. I don't care how much it costs. The people have spoken .
    Which people have spoken? The minority of voters who voted for Trump? The 3 million fewer than voted for Hillary?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gookieheimowitz View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post

    assuming you’re not in favor of the wall, i’m curious as to why you want this?

    if you think this will hurt him politically, my guess is it will do just the opposite. if he sticks to his guns, i actually think it will be the dems that cave, just like they did when the dems threatened a shutdown over DACA but caved after one day.

    I am VERY much in favor of the wall. So much in favor of it since Tom Tancredo proposed in his campaign that he would round up all the illegals and make them build the wall and then put them on the other side of it.

    Trump promised the wall and he will build it . I want him to force the Dems into a shutdown. I don't care how much it costs. The people have spoken .

    if you believe in majority rule, why have you not converted to Islam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
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    I am VERY much in favor of the wall. So much in favor of it since Tom Tancredo proposed in his campaign that he would round up all the illegals and make them build the wall and then put them on the other side of it.

    Trump promised the wall and he will build it . I want him to force the Dems into a shutdown. I don't care how much it costs. The people have spoken .
    Which people have spoken? The minority of voters who voted for Trump? The 3 million fewer than voted for Hillary?

    The people who got railroaded by eight years of robbery from the absolute worst president in our history. The wall is a statement and once built it's not coming down. Make no mistake it's getting built. Whomever doesn't like it as far as I'm concerned can GTFO!

    I find it amazing in the year 2018 that so many people are against this. The wall should have been built many years ago.

    You don't have to accept it or like it . The left laughed at us for eight years saying we would never control anything ever again. Look who's laughing now.

     
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