Time to get on the TRUMP train

[abrown83]

Part of the problem, or perhaps the main problem, with all this political correctness bullshit is people misinterpret what "equality" means. Equality means that we should show each other similar respect, we have the same worth as a human, we have basic human rights, and all that good stuff. People mix this up to mean people are equal in every possible way.

Men and women are equal -- we should be respected equally, neither be taken advantage of, and all that good stuff. That doesn't mean we are equal in strength, physical fitness, baby nurturing, or whatever else. Same goes with race and sexual orientation. How many Asians do you see in pro sports compared to blacks? It's not that blacks are better than Asians as human beings, but they are better than them at sports. Elementary school teachers and others in child-care tend to be women. That doesn't mean women are better than men as human beings, it means they're better at them at child-care shit.

Now we got boys turning into girls and girls turning into boys, damn - how time has changed.

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

[sonatine]

Part of the problem, or perhaps the main problem, with all this political correctness bullshit is people misinterpret what "equality" means. Equality means that we should show each other similar respect, we have the same worth as a human, we have basic human rights, and all that good stuff. People mix this up to mean people are equal in every possible way.

Men and women are equal -- we should be respected equally, neither be taken advantage of, and all that good stuff. That doesn't mean we are equal in strength, physical fitness, baby nurturing, or whatever else. Same goes with race and sexual orientation. How many Asians do you see in pro sports compared to blacks? It's not that blacks are better than Asians as human beings, but they are better than them at sports. Elementary school teachers and others in child-care tend to be women. That doesn't mean women are better than men as human beings, it means they're better at them at child-care shit.

Now we got boys turning into girls and girls turning into boys, damn - how time has changed.

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

are we still convinced that the principle of liberty this country was founded on is still feasible?

eg if you alienate / suppress / exploit your lower class while constantly depleting the middle class and syphoning that money into the top few percent's bank accounts, is that sustainable?

because historically, it hasnt been so far. looking at you argentina.

[Mintjewlips]

Hey genius, there is a faction of elite bankers hell bent on
alienating / suppressing / exploiting your lower class while constantly depleting the middle class and syphoning that money into the top few percent's banks, and the majority of them don't subscribe to Judaism.

This has been happening for the better part of forever.


Today it's one side of the family, tomorrow it might be the other side of the family, same shit different day and people.

If you're waiting for someone to come save civilization then we are doomed already.

[abrown83]

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

are we still convinced that the principle of liberty this country was founded on is still feasible?

eg if you alienate / suppress / exploit your lower class while constantly depleting the middle class and syphoning that money into the top few percent's bank accounts, is that sustainable?

because historically, it hasnt been so far. looking at you argentina.

Fair point

Give me a political system that has worked in human history for a world power? Even better give me one that didn’t involve exploitation.

[thesidedish]

Abrown how bout some 2018 2020 predictions dawg

[sonatine]

are we still convinced that the principle of liberty this country was founded on is still feasible?

eg if you alienate / suppress / exploit your lower class while constantly depleting the middle class and syphoning that money into the top few percent's bank accounts, is that sustainable?

because historically, it hasnt been so far. looking at you argentina.

Fair point

Give me a political system that has worked in human history for a world power? Even better give me one that didn’t involve exploitation.

like my first response was to point out norway, sweden, and a few others but obviously they have virtually nothing in common with our social dynamics, political posture, or economics.

but that said, at the end of the day, there are countries that are stable and prosperous without exploitation on the scale we indulge in, by a huge margin.

obviously without the equivalent of political gene therapy there is nothing we can do to adopt those postures / embrace those paradigms but its still worth noting that it didnt have to be this way, and that others have somehow more or less got it right, and that sooner or later its well within the spectrum of reason (and already inevitable, according to some) that we enter a failed state where we simply have no choice but to adopt a benevolent socialist autocracy simply as an emergency measure.

what we do from that point, well, thats the interesting question, isnt it...

[BCR]

Part of the problem, or perhaps the main problem, with all this political correctness bullshit is people misinterpret what "equality" means. Equality means that we should show each other similar respect, we have the same worth as a human, we have basic human rights, and all that good stuff. People mix this up to mean people are equal in every possible way.

Men and women are equal -- we should be respected equally, neither be taken advantage of, and all that good stuff. That doesn't mean we are equal in strength, physical fitness, baby nurturing, or whatever else. Same goes with race and sexual orientation. How many Asians do you see in pro sports compared to blacks? It's not that blacks are better than Asians as human beings, but they are better than them at sports. Elementary school teachers and others in child-care tend to be women. That doesn't mean women are better than men as human beings, it means they're better at them at child-care shit.

Now we got boys turning into girls and girls turning into boys, damn - how time has changed.

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

The human condition is such that we’ve been arguing the definitions of liberty and equality ad nauseum since certainly Thucydides commentary on Athens and Sparta in 5 BC and their vastly differing viewpoints on what exactly constitutes liberty.

And there’s Dylan for everything, of course, when this debate without end lands on his brain

“A self-ordained professor's tongue too serious to fool
Spouted out that liberty is just equality in school
"Equality, " I spoke the word as if a wedding vow
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now

In a soldier's stance, I aimed my hand at the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not that I'd become my enemy in the instant that I preach
My existence led by confusion boats, mutiny from stern to bow
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now”

[hongkonger]

Part of the problem, or perhaps the main problem, with all this political correctness bullshit is people misinterpret what "equality" means. Equality means that we should show each other similar respect, we have the same worth as a human, we have basic human rights, and all that good stuff. People mix this up to mean people are equal in every possible way.

Men and women are equal -- we should be respected equally, neither be taken advantage of, and all that good stuff. That doesn't mean we are equal in strength, physical fitness, baby nurturing, or whatever else. Same goes with race and sexual orientation. How many Asians do you see in pro sports compared to blacks? It's not that blacks are better than Asians as human beings, but they are better than them at sports. Elementary school teachers and others in child-care tend to be women. That doesn't mean women are better than men as human beings, it means they're better at them at child-care shit.

Now we got boys turning into girls and girls turning into boys, damn - how time has changed.

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

It was founded on liberty for the white male landowner and violent subjugation of everyone else.

[Tellafriend]

Fair point

Give me a political system that has worked in human history for a world power? Even better give me one that didn’t involve exploitation.

like my first response was to point out norway, sweden, and a few others but obviously they have virtually nothing in common with our social dynamics, political posture, or economics.

but that said, at the end of the day, there are countries that are stable and prosperous without exploitation on the scale we indulge in, by a huge margin.

obviously without the equivalent of political gene therapy there is nothing we can do to adopt those postures / embrace those paradigms but its still worth noting that it didnt have to be this way, and that others have somehow more or less got it right, and that sooner or later its well within the spectrum of reason (and already inevitable, according to some) that we enter a failed state where we simply have no choice but to adopt a benevolent socialist autocracy simply as an emergency measure.

what we do from that point, well, thats the interesting question, isnt it...

To the extent in modern times that other nations have “gotten it right” I would say they were able to do so because of the relative peace our nation has afforded them through our strength - which was derived in large part from our exploitation of others— which has existed in some form of fashion throughout history. Point being, it’s not all negative and it’s been necessary for the world to advance at such an exponentially fast pace which in turn has brought considerable benefit to the world. I for one am grateful for it. And apart from truly native peoples such as American Indians and Aborigines for example, I believe the rest of the world is as well.

[Tellafriend]

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

It was founded on liberty for the white male landowner and violent subjugation of everyone else.

So what? Did you expect them folks of that time to Concern themselves with the modern day Japanese ? What is your point ? Do you expect Americans to feel bad for it or perhaps remedy it with some cash payments to far removed descendants? Or does making such obvious pronouncements make you feel enlightened ? If you feel bad about it then renounce your citizenship and see who else will have you.

[limitles]

It was founded on liberty for the white male landowner and violent subjugation of everyone else.

So what? Did you expect them folks of that time to Concern themselves with the modern day Japanese ? What is your point ? Do you expect Americans to feel bad for it or perhaps remedy it with some cash payments to far removed descendants? Or does making such obvious pronouncements make you feel enlightened ? If you feel bad about it then renounce your citizenship and see who else will have you.

Tellatard

[hongkonger]

As I've said before, ugly women ruin everything.

And in the ethno-state the myth of equality won"t be an issue.

The proper term is Uglo-Americans.

[Mintjewlips]

Me thinks thou protest to much.....

[RS_]

Part of the problem, or perhaps the main problem, with all this political correctness bullshit is people misinterpret what "equality" means. Equality means that we should show each other similar respect, we have the same worth as a human, we have basic human rights, and all that good stuff. People mix this up to mean people are equal in every possible way.

Men and women are equal -- we should be respected equally, neither be taken advantage of, and all that good stuff. That doesn't mean we are equal in strength, physical fitness, baby nurturing, or whatever else. Same goes with race and sexual orientation. How many Asians do you see in pro sports compared to blacks? It's not that blacks are better than Asians as human beings, but they are better than them at sports. Elementary school teachers and others in child-care tend to be women. That doesn't mean women are better than men as human beings, it means they're better at them at child-care shit.

Now we got boys turning into girls and girls turning into boys, damn - how time has changed.

Actually, no

I know what you are saying but you are wrong.

America in no way was founded on equality, of any sorts.

It was founded on Liberty, which means equal opportunity and is significantly different.

The defining trait between the left and right in America is around Liberty.

The left interrupts Liberty as making laws that force equal opportunity.

The right interrupts Liberty as making laws that prevent unequal opportunity.

The Republican and Democrat parties fall somewhere in the middle of those two philosophies.

I was talking about equality, not liberty. And I wasn’t saying America was founded on equality. Just saying how people interpret equality to fuck everything up. Look at the supposed “wage gap” debate from the left for an example of this retardation. Or that they’re pushing for more women to go into STEM.

[blake]

I have no problem with there being things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context. Closest things resembling government limiting political expression have come from the right in the last few years. But yea lets forget that and focus on imaginary scenarios that can't be proven in any direction.

my issue with this is you seem to think that the "things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context" are few and far between. they're not, and what's worse, we're really only talking about conservative viewpoints of those "things," not all viewpoints.

i get that there are instances when there is political correctness on the right as well, but to act like it is equal on both sides is to deny reality

[abrown83]

Abrown how bout some 2018 2020 predictions dawg

2018

PredictIt has GOP having 49 Senators or less, for a 20-25% return if you bet No.

You can 100% take that one to the house. I think if economy survives until November we could be looking at 52 or 53 seats for the Republicans. (Net 1 or 2 for the Republicans)

House is totally different story, Republicans are going to lose a ton. Still haven’t dug in Race by Race (a lot don’t have polling yet).

2020

Dems really need to avoid going hard left. They at least fixed the super delegate issue.

Also think there’s at least a 30% chance Trump declares himself the greatest President in history and doesn’t run again.

So basically what I am saying about 2020 ..... who fuckin knows.

[gimmick]

I have no problem with there being things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context. Closest things resembling government limiting political expression have come from the right in the last few years. But yea lets forget that and focus on imaginary scenarios that can't be proven in any direction.

my issue with this is you seem to think that the "things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context" are few and far between. they're not, and what's worse, we're really only talking about conservative viewpoints of those "things," not all viewpoints.

i get that there are instances when there is political correctness on the right as well, but to act like it is equal on both sides is to deny reality

So did Tomi Lahren have her pay suspended for expressing a conservative viewpoint? I mean must be, since we're only talking about conservative viewpoints. I'm sure that made every conservative working in the media feel at ease.

People censor themselves. It's almost impossible to not if you follow any kind of social norms. It's not just political views. And no i don't think people do that rarely. They do it all the time and they have been doing it since forever. I don't think it's inherently negative and even if i did i don't know what you could do about it.

Like i have no issue with how people are expected to behave at a funeral. Pretty much everyone have views that they are not expected to share out of fear of offending others in that context. And that is true of nearly every social event and group.

I doubt people are even more easily offended these days. I know for sure the ramifications for offending have lessened. We don't really talk about witch hunts or lynch mobs in a literal sense any more.

Anyway here's random study...



...a survey asking about public speakers in a community. Who should be allowed to speak. From that study you could conclude people have become more tolerant. More in favor of free speech. People are less tolerant of racism though. Single tear.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rrectness-data

[blake]

my issue with this is you seem to think that the "things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context" are few and far between. they're not, and what's worse, we're really only talking about conservative viewpoints of those "things," not all viewpoints.

i get that there are instances when there is political correctness on the right as well, but to act like it is equal on both sides is to deny reality

So did Tomi Lahren have her pay suspended for expressing a conservative viewpoint? I mean must be, since we're only talking about conservative viewpoints. I'm sure that made every conservative working in the media feel at ease.

People censor themselves. It's almost impossible to not if you follow any kind of social norms. It's not just political views. And no i don't think people do that rarely. They do it all the time and they have been doing it since forever. I don't think it's inherently negative and even if i did i don't know what you could do about it.

Like i have no issue with how people are expected to behave at a funeral. Pretty much everyone have views that they are not expected to share out of fear of offending others in that context. And that is true of nearly every social event and group.

I doubt people are even more easily offended these days. I know for sure the ramifications for offending have lessened. We don't really talk about witch hunts or lynch mobs in a literal sense any more.

Anyway here's random study...



...a survey asking about public speakers in a community. Who should be allowed to speak. From that study you could conclude people have become more tolerant. More in favor of free speech. People are less tolerant of racism though. Single tear.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rrectness-data

to be honest, i'm not sure if you agree with me or disagree. maybe we agree.

let's just take this one statement:

"i get that there are instances when there is political correctness on the right as well, but to act like it is equal on both sides is to deny reality"

agree or no?

(and before you say your opinion doesn't matter, i find it interesting or i wouldn't bother engaging with you.)

[MumblesBadly]

Abrown how bout some 2018 2020 predictions dawg

2018

PredictIt has GOP having 49 Senators or less, for a 20-25% return if you bet No.

You can 100% take that one to the house. I think if economy survives until November we could be looking at 52 or 53 seats for the Republicans. (Net 1 or 2 for the Republicans)

House is totally different story, Republicans are going to lose a ton. Still haven’t dug in Race by Race (a lot don’t have polling yet).

2020

Dems really need to avoid going hard left. They at least fixed the super delegate issue.

Also think there’s at least a 30% chance Trump declares himself the greatest President in history and doesn’t run again.

So basically what I am saying about 2020 ..... who fuckin knows.

Trump needs to be reelected so that he can continue to be shielded from criminal indictments.

[ErickAA]

my issue with this is you seem to think that the "things people are expected to keep to themselves in certain context" are few and far between. they're not, and what's worse, we're really only talking about conservative viewpoints of those "things," not all viewpoints.

i get that there are instances when there is political correctness on the right as well, but to act like it is equal on both sides is to deny reality

Anyway here's random study...



...a survey asking about public speakers in a community. Who should be allowed to speak. From that study you could conclude people have become more tolerant. More in favor of free speech. People are less tolerant of racism though. Single tear.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rrectness-data

I read the VOX study. I think the one area of disconnect between that study and reality is that the bar for what is considered "racist speech" is a lot lower and more ideologically driven than in years past, to the point where you could make a real argument the term is pretty meaningless now. Most of the speakers who have been run off the stage or heckled the last couple years would overwhelmingly be considered racist by your average college illiberal today, and most of them would not have been considered racist as recently as 2007, and would have been allowed to speak without any problems. It is also worth noting the average college illiberal who would protest a racist speaker probably couldn't identify one racist position that speaker had, they are just mindlessly jumping on the pile.

I doubt Gimmick could even name a single public person with some (but not even all) conservative opinions your average college illiberal wouldn't call "racist" if they were publicly asked to declare whether they felt the person was racist or not. (I am giving a lot of college illiberals the benefit of the doubt that in private they are much more reasonable, but in public there is much peer pressure to decry everyone with even the slightest conservative leanings as racist lest the Lynch mobs turn on them)