shoutout to the NBAPA for managing that cap spike a few years back...way to fucking ruin the product...
shoutout to the NBAPA for managing that cap spike a few years back...way to fucking ruin the product...
The only idea I’ve ever heard that could possibly fix this is the concept that a team can sign a star they drafted for any amount, and have it only count against the cap like a standard max deal.
And to take it a step further, I can imagine a scenario like Lebron where that cost could literally be put on the ballot, like a stadium cost, as insane as that sounds.
I’ve seen estimates that Lebron was worth half a billion to local businesses alone. So imagine he’s up for free agency and the Cavs can offer him 4 years $450 million. He’s legit worth it, but even a billionaire owner can’t pay it. It’s getting close to 4 years $200 million anyway, so they put a dime tax on shit up for vote to cover the other $250 million and it’s passing all day. I’ve heard the Greek Freak is having a smaller, yet significant economic impact on Milwaukee. Do that, and it flips the script back to good drafting and scouting and no more superteams.
Guys aren’t leaving $300 million on the table to play with their buddies. Cities can’t get mad if someone leaves. What would OKC have paid Durant to stay? They have $155 million out right now, probably the same just in tax penalty, in contracts that will bring them 4th place. Put it on the ballot and you give people the option to keep their stars.
It's real simple to fix this.
Every four years a team can protect two starters and two bench players then we have a redraft of the entire league going in order of worst teams to the best.
You could have 6 rounds then the teams can sign whoever is left to fill their few remaining roster spots.
If any team tries to tank games or make terrible trades at the end for better positioning their would be repercussions.
The days of letting players group together to make a super team need to be put to an end for overall league balance of competitiveness.
Until something like this to some extent happens we will continue on with a league of extreme disparity from top to bottom.
in theory both of those ideas are interesting, I doubt the NBAPA is gonna vote to stop this shit...
I think this whole GSW thing is just a totally freak occurrence caused by the greed of the NBAPA having to get the TV money when it was hot off the presses...
under normal circumstances I don't think it's even possible to sign more than two superstars to a team, is it? I mean I guess Houston could have done it, but wouldn't that have gutted their whole team to get harden/paul/LeBron on it?
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They’d love my idea. Not so much Beer and Pokers. My idea would run into issues as far as the owners and cities, but it’s a strange league. Only like 10 guys matter. When you have 2 or 3 congregate in one place, it then draws in the guys chasing. My idea is both free market and increased taxes, but increased taxes that pays for itself and then some.
It’s a vicious cycle right now. Boston formed their Big 3, and then Lebron ran up against them, formed his Big 3 and started the ring chaser model with Allen and company. Then GS sees that and ups the ante to a never before seen level. But if you wind it all back, Minny being able to offer Garnett way more than anyone, then Cleveland with Bron, then OKC with Durant and none of this ever happens. It becomes about drafting and development and cities keep their beloved stars.
think the taxes thing would be tough to swallow...your economic impact theory makes obvious sense, but try to get people to understand all of that...they'll just see increased taxes for sports and freak the fuck out...
They’d love my idea. Not so much Beer and Pokers. My idea would run into issues as far as the owners and cities, but it’s a strange league. Only like 10 guys matter. When you have 2 or 3 congregate in one place, it then draws in the guys chasing. My idea is both free market and increased taxes, but increased taxes that pays for itself and then some.
It’s a vicious cycle right now. Boston formed their Big 3, and then Lebron ran up against them, formed his Big 3 and started the ring chaser model with Allen and company. Then GS sees that and ups the ante to a never before seen level. But if you wind it all back, Minny being able to offer Garnett way more than anyone, then Cleveland with Bron, then OKC with Durant and none of this ever happens. It becomes about drafting and development and cities keep their beloved stars.
Explain to a novice like me why we don't just have a hard salary cap? All the exceptions and taxes and etc confuse the shit out of me. Just have a fucking salary cap
It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?
Maybe, maybe not. Would depend on the player. It obviously wouldn’t be that extreme in every case. If they vote it down, they vote it down. Sports are unique. Like anyone who has been to Cleveland when Lebron is there understand the tangible difference. The streets are jammed with people. It’s huge. I like the idea without the tax part, but even the rich owners would struggle to fade it.
I mean, we had no vote to bail out banks and auto companies and all that. They are still handing out $100 million golden parachutes to execs that fail. Almost every city gives a tax break to a company to bring jobs and shit to a town, and their CEOs make ungodly money, and there is no real way to know if they’re any better than a guy running a successful local business somewhere. Even when they fail they leave with huge severance deals. At least you know if a player is good, you can somewhat nail down his economic impact on a city, and you leave it up to the town. That shit 100% passes in Cleveland. It’s majority black and this is the NBA. It wouldn’t always pass, but then you can’t cry. And it’s a tax that ends when his career ends, as opposed to a normal tax that just goes on forever. Plus it’s a tax that every hotel, restaurant, etc. is advocating for.
Maybe you do it in some other manner with tax breaks to the owners somehow. I don’t know. It’s insane, but a dude is worth what’s he’s worth.
cause if you draft really well, you'd have to break up the team, which kind of sucks for the fans
i like BCR's proposal about being able to overpay your own drafted players, but not others
also lol gare
I could be totally off on this so somebody who understands this shit better than me can chime in if im wrong...I think the soft cap is designed to stop shit like what is happening from happening (superstars bolting teams in FA)...teams are allowed to go over the cap to sign guys who they have Bird rights to (I think that's what that means) so if you draft a guy like Anthony davis you can offer him more money and years as the team that drafted him than any other team and can go over the salary cap to do so (if the playing field was equal what shot would you have given NO of signing him to that second contract??)...if you had a hard cap it takes that advantage away from the teams that draft well and who are in smaller markets who draft guys who are superstars...
this is why the kahwi thing is so interesting...he's gonna leave I believe around $50-60M on the table if he goes the FA route instead of signing the like 5/210 contract with SA...
cause if you draft really well, you'd have to break up the team, which kind of sucks for the fans
i like BCR's proposal about being able to overpay your own drafted players, but not others
The Sixers would be a prime example. They suffered, tanked, drafted guys, I’m sure their success this year had a huge economic impact on the city, yet their guys could literally be heading out the door disheartened after their initial 7 years that you can usually retain a guy having never won a thing because they have this ungodly juggernaut sitting out there in GS.
nah I hear ya, would mean a helluva lot more than having somebody's Bird rights...
The Sixers would be a prime example. They suffered, tanked, drafted guys, I’m sure their success this year had a huge economic impact on the city, yet their guys could literally be heading out the door disheartened after their initial 7 years that you can usually retain a guy having never won a thing because they have this ungodly juggernaut sitting out there in GS.
maybe they can shift some of that dogshit 1.5c/oz "sweet drink tax" here towards paying to re-up simmons...
The Lakers renounced Julius Randle. What's that mean? Just gave him away for nothing??
It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?
technically, they could have still re-signed him even after renouncing his rights, but by doing so, they could no longer go over the cap to keep him and they can no longer match any offer made to him.
he signed a two-year deal with the pelicans btw
Yeah, he became an unrestricted free agent at that point and signed with NOP tonight. When a guy is a free agent, he still counts against your cap hold. If you renounce, they come off, but you lose his bird rights etc. and if you want to sign him back for some reason, it’s like a typical FA signing and you can’t exceed cap like you can for one of your own. I guess they assumed they couldn’t get anything for him, or anything worth waiting around with a cap hold for
Hard caps also usually come with hefty, hard floors. Cheap owners don't like hard floors.
just looked up the nfl cap + floor. The floor looks to be 89% of the cap. 2017 was $167m, floor was $149. Violations, over or under, bring fines, draft pick losses, etc.
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1. Of course Durant signs under-market and then the Warriors get Boogie. League is so dumb....I doubt I will watch much of anything next year....unless hopefully Curry's ankle disintegrates or something.
2. Kind of want to watch this Laker team tho. Should be entertaining.....LeBron clearly just on the retirement cruise now.
3. Kawhi winds up on the sixers now then right? I kinda hope SA plays hardball and he threatens to holdout.
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