Time to get on the TRUMP train

[blake]

you do realize that the dems are posturing like they will let CHIP go unfunded just to save the DACA program, right?

this is exactly the sort of scummy politics that should be taken out of the budget/debt ceiling process

I agree, but IMO the GOP knew they could use CHIP as a bargaining chip long before this all went down, and are using it to their advantage. Granted, dems are doing the same with DACA, but they don't have a choice. If they let DACA go till March and pass this bill without a fix DACA will be fucked.

but they do have a choice. they could pass the budget without a DACA fix

[sonatine]

anyway, setting fire to the government (as pelosi put it once upon a time) is not what grown folks do when they don't get their way politically

but again, where was this newfound sense of legislative decorum when the republicans did absolutely everything in their power to threaten shutdowns if obama didnt find the middle ground? which btw he did, over and over, which probably helped alienate a lot of the future bernie bros and etc etc.

[Mintjewlips]

Sonatine spinning faster than a Todd Witeles seat cover..

[vegas1369]

Both sides have diverse factions. To act like the left doesn't is not being honest. We are in the predicament we are in because of BOTH sides to some degree. Sure, one side has politicians that are willing to gerrymander, back white supremacists and pedophiles, lie, divert, and tell half truths that enable the most corrupt individual to ever hold office to wreak havoc on society, but lets not kid ourselves here, the left has to share in some of the blame for creating such a divide. They brought a lot of issues to the forefront that pissed a lot of white, bible belt, mid westerners, and whites in spread throughout this country off. Those people vote. If I were to blame the left for one thing it would be not having a finger on the pulse of the diversion they were creating with all the PC bs, and maybe figure out how to be a bit more tactful when it came to that. I think they were grossly out of touch with what was happening. I do think the Russian troll farms definitely titled the scales now, but it really should have never even come to that. Obama really was too coy with all the Russian meddling IMO, and they could have done more to stop it and let people know what was happening. They were too afraid to fuck up, and it cost them everything. If you don't think before this election happened that the left felt they had this in the bag and could do no wrong, well I would say C'MON MAN!!!

im talking about things that happened today and youre talking about things that happened like two years ago. you cant say "yeah this afternoon trump literally signed a bill saying anyone uncomfortable with abortions has the right to refuse to administer them but on the other hand, man o man the left really dropped the ball with that russian meddling 18 months ago" and expect me to be like wow yeah nice one socrates.

Two things that I have always been fascinated by is the hypocrisy and alienation tactics of the far right and left

That's called taking what I wrote completely out of context and running with it.

[devidee]

Sonatine spinning faster than a Todd Witeles seat cover..

Dis niggat talk'n about Trump bean a Repub.

[vegas1369]

I agree, but IMO the GOP knew they could use CHIP as a bargaining chip long before this all went down, and are using it to their advantage. Granted, dems are doing the same with DACA, but they don't have a choice. If they let DACA go till March and pass this bill without a fix DACA will be fucked.

but they do have a choice. they could pass the budget without a DACA fix

And then DACA get's fucked. Not a good option and really not a choice at all if you want to save it.

[sonatine]

ill put this in colder terms;

the trumpenprole are going to burn down every city hall in every republican town in the entirety of the heartland if trump caves on daca.

and the bill buckley republicans are going to quietly toss their gop memberships into their mid-century fireplaces if he doesnt.


so... again... how is forcing his hand not the power move here for a political party that is solely responsible for the future of our first world status right now?


i want politicians who will say yeah i said that, but some things are bigger than my word. to me, thats courage.

[blake]

anyway, setting fire to the government (as pelosi put it once upon a time) is not what grown folks do when they don't get their way politically

but again, where was this newfound sense of legislative decorum when the republicans did absolutely everything in their power to threaten shutdowns if obama didnt find the middle ground? which btw he did, over and over, which probably helped alienate a lot of the future bernie bros and etc etc.

if i have given the impression that i think the dems are somehow worse than republicans, i have not been making myself clear at all.

the republicans are 1000% guilty of these atrocious tactics. for god's sake, the republicans forced harry reid to change the filibuster rules just so obama can get routine appointments filled, which was never ever necessary in US history.

[sonatine]

but again, where was this newfound sense of legislative decorum when the republicans did absolutely everything in their power to threaten shutdowns if obama didnt find the middle ground? which btw he did, over and over, which probably helped alienate a lot of the future bernie bros and etc etc.

if i have given the impression that i think the dems are somehow worse than republicans, i have not been making myself clear at all.

the republicans are 1000% guilty of these atrocious tactics. for god's sake, the republicans forced harry reid to change the filibuster rules just so obama can get routine appointments filled, which was never ever necessary in US history.

ok again thank you im just sitting here with my mouth hanging open that now, of all times, we are going ham on the democrat leadership for finally showing some balls possibly at the expense of their political careers.

[sonatine]

“Our country was founded by geniuses, but it’s being run by idiots,” Sen. Kennedy charged on Friday.

On Wednesday, the GOP senator also blasted the federal government disfunction while the Republican Party controls the White House, the Senate and the House.

“We’ve got to stop looking like the Jerry Springer show up here,” Sen. Kennedy said. “That’s why the aliens won’t talk to us. They’re saying, these people, they’re thirteen year olds, OK?”

[blake]

ill put this in colder terms;

the trumpenprole are going to burn down every city hall in every republican town in the entirety of the heartland if trump caves on daca.

and the bill buckley republicans are going to quietly toss their gop memberships into their mid-century fireplaces if he doesnt.


so... again... how is forcing his hand not the power move here for a political party that is solely responsible for the future of our first world status right now?


i want politicians who will say yeah i said that, but some things are bigger than my word. to me, thats courage.

i don't think you want this style of politics to be standard practice. if it stopped at DACA, fine. but what's to stop the republicans from using these extortion tactics (regarding whatever pet issue they've got going at the time -- say wall funding) when the dems are in charge and the debt limit needs to be increased?

a default would ultimately cause US credit to be worthless on a global level

[Zap_the_Fractions_Giraffe]

ALL REPUBLICAN VOTERS ARE BACKWARDS FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANS I SAWL IT ON A TV SHOW LOL AMIRITE. IT'S TOO BAD WHITE TRASH ARE BRAINWASHED AND DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOOD FOR THEM. NOTHING MORE STUPID THAN A WHITE TRASH NAZI HOW HARD IS IT TO TURN ON THE TV TO LITERALLY ANY STATION EXCEPT FOX NEWS AND EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT HOW BAD TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS AND WHITE TRASH ARE.

[Tellafriend]

Sure, one side has politicians that are willing to gerrymander, back white supremacists and pedophiles, lie, divert, and tell half truths

Wow. Just fucking wow.

[sonatine]

ZAP IS YET ANOTHER BIRTHTARD WHEN WILL HE WAKE UP AND UNDERSTAND THAT BIRTH IS A SIN WE EVEN ALLOW BABIES TO BE BORN IN THE 9TH MOTNH OF PREGNANCY SO DONT LECTURE ME ABOUT MORALS.

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[vegas1369]

Sure, one side has politicians that are willing to gerrymander, back white supremacists and pedophiles, lie, divert, and tell half truths

Wow. Just fucking wow.

Are you really that out of touch with your own party that you can't even admit this is going on?

I'm not even trying to be a dick here... Please explain to us how you feel any of what I wrote is inaccurate.

Gerrymandering- Republicans have used this to their advantage to a degree that is unfathomable. Just look and see what is going on in NC right now. That is a trend that will become a big hot button topic this year... Watch.

Back white supremacists- "Very fine people... on both sides". Your party defended that statement and many more that were even worse. You are the party that supports racists now, and you can't deny it. You can try, but anyone that looks at things from a common sense POV sees it for what it is.

Back pedophiles- "Vote for Roy Moore! Do it!" I don't really need to say much more here.

Lies- Trump is on record saying over 2,000 very provable lies.

Divert- OMG... Seriously... You are really going to try to defend this, huh? LOL!!! "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, her emails, her emails, her emails, etc., etc., etc."

Half Truths- The amount of buffoonery by the GOP, especially in Congress, and the continued moving the goal post back to defend this president has been unprecedented. This is where your party lives. In the land of half truths, diversion and lies.


Offering honest debate here... Or you can just continue being your lame, unfunny, uninteresting self. Either works for me.

[Tellafriend]

Wow. Just fucking wow.

Are you really that out of touch with your own party that you can't even admit this is going on?

I'm not even trying to be a dick here... Please explain to us how you feel any of what I wrote is inaccurate.

Gerrymandering- Republicans have used this to their advantage to a degree that is unfathomable. Just look and see what is going on in NC right now. That is a trend that will become a big hot button topic this year... Watch.

Back white supremacists- "Very fine people... on both sides". Your party defended that statement and many more that were even worse. You are the party that supports racists now, and you can't deny it. You can try, but anyone that looks at things from a common sense POV sees it for what it is.

Back pedophiles- "Vote for Roy Moore! Do it!" I don't really need to say much more here.

Lies- Trump is on record saying over 2,000 very provable lies.

Divert- OMG... Seriously... You are really going to try to defend this, huh? LOL!!! "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, her emails, her emails, her emails, etc., etc., etc."

Half Truths- The amount of buffoonery by the GOP, especially in Congress, and the continued moving the goal post back to defend this president has been unprecedented. This is where your party lives. In the land of half truths, diversion and lies.


Offering honest debate here... Or you can just continue being your lame, unfunny, uninteresting self. Either works for me.

Just one side is willing to do these things? I'm speechless. If you genuinely believe this, and I think you do, then you are so far down the rabbit hole that intelligent debate is futile, which is why no one really engages you over these issues anymore.

[vegas1369]

Are you really that out of touch with your own party that you can't even admit this is going on?

I'm not even trying to be a dick here... Please explain to us how you feel any of what I wrote is inaccurate.

Gerrymandering- Republicans have used this to their advantage to a degree that is unfathomable. Just look and see what is going on in NC right now. That is a trend that will become a big hot button topic this year... Watch.

Back white supremacists- "Very fine people... on both sides". Your party defended that statement and many more that were even worse. You are the party that supports racists now, and you can't deny it. You can try, but anyone that looks at things from a common sense POV sees it for what it is.

Back pedophiles- "Vote for Roy Moore! Do it!" I don't really need to say much more here.

Lies- Trump is on record saying over 2,000 very provable lies.

Divert- OMG... Seriously... You are really going to try to defend this, huh? LOL!!! "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, Fusion GPS, her emails, her emails, her emails, etc., etc., etc."

Half Truths- The amount of buffoonery by the GOP, especially in Congress, and the continued moving the goal post back to defend this president has been unprecedented. This is where your party lives. In the land of half truths, diversion and lies.


Offering honest debate here... Or you can just continue being your lame, unfunny, uninteresting self. Either works for me.

Just one side is willing to do these things? I'm speechless. If you genuinely believe this, and I think you do, then you are so far down the rabbit hole that intelligent debate is futile, which is why no one really engages you over these issues anymore.

LOL!!!! What a joke you are. I offer you a solid debate and this is what you come up with. That's pathetic. And you're a lawyer?????

The proper thing to do here, if you actually had an argument, would have been to disprove what I wrote and/or point out how the other side does the same.



I feel sorry for your clients.

[DJ_Chaps]

Vegas, Matrix is raking it in. Don't you think its time to consider firing a down payment on a new forum personality? The election has completely ruined you.

It's funny how every time you say something stupid and get called out for it you run away, only to come back a few days later with something else to say.

I will say this however... I kind of agree with you. I hate that I'm so interested in all of this and wish I could just tune out and forget about it all. None of this is good for any of us, but unfortunately from a democratic law and order POV we are witnessing the most important historical event of our lifetime (at least that's my take on it). Two things that I have always been fascinated by is the hypocrisy and alienation tactics of the far right and left, and criminal behavior. Unfortunately we have the best of both worlds going on right now, and we are also witnessing our country being torn apart at the threads, so it's a tough trainwreck to look away from and comment on with great, knowledgeable people like yourself.

I think it will do us all a lot of good when all of this is over, if that day ever comes.

Nice try, bubby, but I don't spew dumb shit on the daily in here and I sure as fuck don't run from a god damned thing on here either and you know that.

[sonatine]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F82UC

As Republicans called for the release of a classified memorandum that they say shows anti-Trump bias at the Justice Department, a network of Kremlin-controlled Twitter [TWTR.N]accounts swung into action to amplify that demand, according to specialists who monitor online activity sponsored by Moscow.

The use of the hashtag #releasethememo increased 315,500 percent in roughly 24 hours on 600 Twitter accounts known or suspected to be under Kremlin influence, according to the Alliance for Securing Democracy, a project of the nonpartisan German Marshall Fund think tank.

[Tellafriend]

Just one side is willing to do these things? I'm speechless. If you genuinely believe this, and I think you do, then you are so far down the rabbit hole that intelligent debate is futile, which is why no one really engages you over these issues anymore.

LOL!!!! What a joke you are. I offer you a solid debate and this is what you come up with. That's pathetic. And you're a lawyer?????

The proper thing to do here, if you actually had an argument, would have been to disprove what I wrote and/or point out how the other side does the same.



I feel sorry for your clients.

The fact that the opposing argument needs to be spelled out for you says enough. Keep patting yourself on the back.