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There probably shouldn't be a nation of mostly European Jewish refugees in today's Middle East. But there is. Blame British Imperialism if you want, but it happened. Europeans wiped out most of their Jews, and didn't know what to do with the survivors, and some Zionists came along and gave the an easy route out of it, and they took it, and shipped their Jews off, and here we are.

And today they are fighting a very hostile enemy for control of a very small amount of lands, and no-one is offering them any right of return and they wouldn't want to if they could. Given these realities, Israel's actions are not too surprising or outrageous at all. If you think they are, then you just don't have a very good understanding of their psychology as a nation.

At the individual or societal level, most peoples actions are rationale and moral from their perspective, and if you find they aren't from your perspective, it probably means your perspective is very different than theirs.
The idea that what the Jews do in Isreal+areas is ok because of WWII (which is about to be 100 years ago and many generations) is completely nonsensical. That line of reasoning can be used to justify endless shit. It wasn't Palestinians who had anything to do with it.

It is just your jewish biases wanting you to overlook what others find offensive for such a country. It has little to do with their security and more about people who don't have shit wanting free land. That is a problem in itself all over, but the way it is handled in Israel/Palestine is wrong. The rest of the world has passed up such behavior.

I agree the US may still attack other countries over bullshit reasons, but we haven't colonized in 100 years. Not sure of any European country either that does that sort of thing.
I never said it was ok. It is just reasonably given the circumstances. I also think the Jihadist position is reasonable given their goals and circumstances, but it isn't ok either. And if I think it is going to come down to them or me, I am going to choose me.

I am probably going to be done with you in this thread after this post. I don't think you even really read my posts or can dissect them with any clarity. Ten posts ago, I was a Jewish self-hater and now I have pro Jewish biases. You are fumbling and all over the place. The problem is you have checked me off in your "Jew" box in your mind and have made a lot of assumptions about what my posts are saying, without really reading them, based on that. This probably works well enough most of the time (just like I can check off the radical leftist box for Sonatine and Barry and know what he is going to say on most issues without really reading his posts), but it is failing you miserably in this instance.