Thread: Time to get on the TRUMP train

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkonger View Post
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    Funny quip, but liberals couldn't stop lambasting GW Bush for the events of 2001 (recession and 9/11 occurring, which then worsened the recession).

    Both were results of the Clinton Presidency, but if you told a liberal this, their hair would stand up on end.

    I actually agree that it's too early to give Trump credit for good job numbers, but you have to apply the same standard (both positive and negative) to other Presidents.

    BTW, regarding Trump "inheriting" his wealth, that's kind of unfair. Yes, he came from a wealthy background, but he actually accomplished a hell of a lot, even considering what he was given by his family. The average person would not have been nearly as successful as Trump was, even with the same beginnings.
    Explain how 9/11 was Clinton's fault?

    It wasn't Bush's fault either.

    The recession started in 2000 when Clinton was still president. The dot com bubble finally started to correct itself. When the current bull market corrects itself it won't be Trump's fault, or Obama's either. Maybe Trump does something monumentally stupid and triggers it, but the correction was coming anyway.

    Job numbers, good or bad, are a lagging indicator and have a little but not a lot to do with the president. These are too early to be a credit to Trump though.
    Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda didn't just pop up on our radar when 9/11 occurred.

    They were increasingly stepping up both his actions and his rhetoric in the following 8 years.

    In 1998, Bill Clinton was very aware of the terror training camps in Afghanistan, and was very aware that their goal was to attack the US homeland and other US/western interests, but he was afraid to take any kind of real action, mostly fearing a popularity backlash.

    Keep in mind that Clinton spent much of 1998 embroiled in the Lewinsky scandal, so he didn't want to give people further reason to hate him. Popularity was always Clinton's biggest motivation. I always said that Clinton cared too much about public perception, and GW Bush cared too little.

    In August 1998, Clinton ordered rockets fired at al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan. These were a failure. The rockets caused some moderate damage and a few casualties, but they did not take out any al Qaeda leadership, nor did they scare al Qaeda or disrupt their operation.

    After this, Clinton ceased in his attempts to thwart al Qaeda, which emboldened them further. This resulted in the October, 2000 attack on the USS Cole.

    Regarding 9/11, bin Laden reportedly said during the planning phases, "All they'll do in response is fire a few rockets at us again", wrongly assuming that the US wasn't willing to take any major action against their organization, even after the most major and deadly terror attacks on US soil.

    When going through old videotapes, I actually found the beginning of a 1998 news broadcast where it was stated that bin Laden was announcing "a major attack on the US homeland within the next 5 years". So this was widely known and reported, and still Clinton took no action in the final 3 years of his Presidency.

    Clinton was also aware of al Qaeda sleeper cells within the US after the 2000 Millennium attack plans were thwarted. He was criticized in a repors by the 9/11 Commission for his inaction during his final year of Presidency, despite being aware of these cells.

    Clinton was so upset about this report that he sent his buddy Sandy Berger into the National Archives to steal documents related to it in 2003. Berger was caught, and admitted that he stole these documents related to Clinton. However, he claimed that he did this on his own, and that Clinton had no knowledge of it (lol). It was also eventually revealed that Berger had unsupervised access to "classified files of original, uncopied, uninventoried documents on terrorism", and could have easily destroyed a lot more than what was actually discovered and proven. Berger died in 2015, still a very close friend of both Clintons, who made a phony denouncement of him at the time he was originally caught.

    Bush wasn't perfect regarding 9/11, either. He was handed a report in August 2001 that an attack by al Qaeda on the US homeland was "imminent", yet took no action.

    Still, we're talking about a month's time here, whereas Clinton let al Qaeda run wild for years.

     
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      MumblesBadly: I now agree that Clinton was at least 50% responsible for 9/11. Quite a different perspective from my original perspective that it was mostly W's fault.

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    This man is almost as crazy as the dictator he seeks to usurp.

    Already mentioned but video needs to be seen.


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    Maybe Trump can skip his first round tomorrow and nominate an ambassador to S. Korea. That might come in handy.

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    Anyone want to weigh in on the proposed 5500 mercenaries in Afghanistan??

    God this is starting to look like the 11th century.

     
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    NK THREATENS GUAM, BIG MISTAKE. TIME TO DIE

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      Muck Ficon: Have another drink champ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
    NK THREATENS GUAM, BIG MISTAKE. TIME TO DIE

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    The bombing starts in 5 minutes.....


     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterOven View Post
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    suggesting I'm not a drinking god and would ever have to take a test instead of immediately getting throw in the slammer...MORON

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    Quote Originally Posted by thesidedish View Post
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    suggesting I'm not a drinking god and would ever have to take a test instead of immediately getting throw in the slammer...MORON

    Alpha drunk drivers kill people. Report back when you're on death row, pussy.

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    dish just for record purposes, if trump actually starts a war and the korean peninsula gets destroyed, do we consider trump the worst president of all time or are we somehow spinning this as a positive development

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    Wow, he disappeared after the election with his tail between his legs and he has the nerve to call THE SIDEGOD a pussy???........fucking typical.

     
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      LegallyNonBindingPosts: rush to try helping dish. small circle jerk with pfa's village idiot.
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    "I don’t pay much attention anymore to what the president says because there’s no point."

    - John McCain
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      FPS_Russia: If both parties weren't under Neocon control I wouldn't let a falsehood like this slip by, fyi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blake View Post
    dish just for record purposes, if trump actually starts a war and the korean peninsula gets destroyed, do we consider trump the worst president of all time or are we somehow spinning this as a positive development
    don't worry about it, Kim is just being a smartass with his guam threat

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    It's all lost in the noise, the Clinton administration gave north korea nuke tech, they let china steal everything they wanted, and even gave russia access to plutonium, but its all the jews fault according to fps.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToasterOven View Post
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    suggesting I'm not a drinking god and would ever have to take a test instead of immediately getting throw in the slammer...MORON

    Alpha drunk drivers kill people. Report back when you're on death row, pussy.

    I'm sigma tard, being alpha would mean I have to treat ppl like u who don't deserve respect with respect

     
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      Muck Ficon: You can call yourself anything you want...you are just another drunk at the end of the day.

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    I can't wait until President Trump becomes Emperor Trump, hopefully he puts the left wing fags in slave camps, but im sure the economical thing to do is ship them to nuked korea as fodder for the left over mongoloids.
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    Way to go Goys, we're on the brink of a nuclear exchange with both parties under Neocon rule. How are we going to regain control of our govt from these blood thirsty Bolsheviks?

    Imagine if Trump his son and Ivanka were facing prison from the charges from NYAG, would he use nukes to divert? For sure he would. There's supposed indictments coming down this week and they cannot be pardoned.

    Next time I tell you guys who to vote for just shut up and do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonatine View Post
    "I don’t pay much attention anymore to what the president says because there’s no point."

    - John McCain
    To be fair, no one is paying attention to John McCain any longer either.

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