Does being a guy and sucking dick constitute as a mental illness to you as well? I feel like it's the same argument. You think that a man feeling like a woman is unnatural or a a disease... being gay used to be considered a disease as well 40 years ago..... so why is it that if someone's gender identity does not match what you deem normal it is a mental disorder?
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Originally Posted by blake
yep, you're right.
would you also be willing to concede that a suicide rate of over 20 times the norm may be a sign that just maybe.... there might possibly be some underlying mental issues at play? or are we literally in such a politically correct society that we can't have that discussion.
Fuck the political correctness of it all. It's the lack of tolerance for shit we don't understand I find disappointing.
Imagine as a straight guy sharing a sloppy wet 5 minute kiss with another man? It sounds absolutely disgusting. Not enough tea in China to ever make me do that.
But we now fully accept that kiss comes completely natural to many. We don't give a gay couple a second glance these days.
So why give a tranny the stigma of somebody who is "mentally ill" because they want to practice something that comes completely natural to them?
Paging LLL to resolve trannygate.
while i agree with much of what you're saying, this rationale -- that we can't suggest that there is any correlation between being transgender and mental illness -- is the reason that it's legal for children to mutilate themselves in a lot of states. it's simply not acceptable in modern society to question whether this correlation exists.
Fuck the political correctness of it all. It's the lack of tolerance for shit we don't understand I find disappointing.
Imagine as a straight guy sharing a sloppy wet 5 minute kiss with another man? It sounds absolutely disgusting. Not enough tea in China to ever make me do that.
But we now fully accept that kiss comes completely natural to many. We don't give a gay couple a second glance these days.
So why give a tranny the stigma of somebody who is "mentally ill" because they want to practice something that comes completely natural to them?
sidenote -- how much lower is the suicide rate for post-op transgender people compared to pre-op?
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if i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
while i agree with much of what you're saying, this rationale -- that we can't suggest that there is any correlation between being transgender and mental illness -- is the reason that it's legal for children to mutilate themselves in a lot of states. it's simply not acceptable in modern society to question whether this correlation exists.
sidenote -- how much lower is the suicide rate for post-op transgender people compared to pre-op?
I'd like to see the suicide rates way back when after a gay man came or was forced out of the closet. I bet if society started showing similar tolerance towards transgenders as they now do for gays, then those higher post-op suicide rates would fall dramatically.
I believe it's a stigma problem more than a mental one.
That said. There was a pre-op trans guy from Canada on GMB hosted by Piers Morgan who refused to identify his small child as either a boy or girl.
Said the child would remain "gender neutral" until 'its' old enough to decide what sex it wants to be lol
I mean there's tolerance then there's fucking tolerance!
You are changing the question. The question is about whether living with a gender identity issue is a mental illness. You haven't said why you think it's a mental illness other than to say that transgender people have a much higher rate of suicide. I then provide a simple reasoning for that. They grow up confused because they are different and mercilessly picked on by both peers and authority figures. They are made to feel small by everyone in society. Would you agree that would make someone much more likely to have mental issues? You are trying to imply that having a gender identity crises in it of itself causes you to be mentally ill and want to kill yourself...if i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
I'm saying that is horseshit, and the issue is that we as a society fuck these people up... what is the suicide rate for gay people in say San Francisco as opposed to gay people in Mobile Alabama?
The only reason I can think of for you thinking it is a mental illness is that you don't qualify it as normal or natural. Much like many used to think it was a sickness to be gay or crave dick. But we don't say gay people are mentally ill now do we? Why do you think it's ok to catagorize someone with a different gender identity that is outside what you feel is normal as mentally ill?
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while i can't definitively state that having a "gender identity crisis" (lol at 2017) causes you to be mentally ill, i can state with certainty that even trans people who are "passable" or have welcoming loving parents and do not suffer from discrimination have a much higher than average suicide rate.You are changing the question. The question is about whether living with a gender identity issue is a mental illness. You haven't said why you think it's a mental illness other than to say that transgender people have a much higher rate of suicide. I then provide a simple reasoning for that. They grow up confused because they are different and mercilessly picked on by both peers and authority figures. They are made to feel small by everyone in society. Would you agree that would make someone much more likely to have mental issues? You are trying to imply that having a gender identity crises in it of itself causes you to be mentally ill and want to kill yourself...
I'm saying that is horseshit, and the issue is that we as a society fuck these people up... what is the suicide rate for gay people in say San Francisco as opposed to gay people in Mobile Alabama?
The only reason I can think of for you thinking it is a mental illness is that you don't qualify it as normal or natural. Much like many used to think it was a sickness to be gay or crave dick. But we don't say gay people are mentally ill now do we? Why do you think it's ok to catagorize someone with a different gender identity that is outside what you feel is normal as mentally ill?
also, the difference in suicide rate between pre-op and post-op trans is not as great as you would think.
now please humor me with my transracial question. why is it that liberals have such a difficult time even addressing this question? should transracial people be as accepted as transgender people? would you be a bigot to not respect my black racial identity even though i'm a fake internet asian?
It would be strange to ban wiggers from enlisting. If your only "flaw" is that you identify with another race, you should be allowed to serve your country.if i'm white but say i'm black, should that just be accepted? seriously, where are we on this issue in 2017? i really don't know.
where do you think we will be in 2020? rachel dolezal will be deemed the trans-racial rosa parks at this point
The original issue about pentagon paying sex change operations is perfectly rational. Outright banning a group of people that have been in the military for a while is just retarded. It's just discrimination based on fuck all.
is it too stigmatizing to even entertain the possibility that there is a correlation between being trans and being mentally ill? are we at that point?
I'd like to see the suicide rates way back when after a gay man came or was forced out of the closet. I bet if society started showing similar tolerance towards transgenders as they now do for gays, then those higher post-op suicide rates would fall dramatically.
I believe it's a stigma problem more than a mental one.
cause like 50% of trans people try and kill themselves but that's probably fake news.
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To be honest I've got tolerance issues of my own.
I can fully tolerate Blakes opinion on the subject. Because it's just that - an opinion.
What I can't tolerate are peoples negative views on the subject because of shit they've read in the bible.
Those are the people we need to be stigmatising. Which probably equates to around 65% of this hillbilly/redneck forum.
Every scientist in the world can look at your DNA and tell you your gender or ethnicity.
So if you're going to argue with something that definitive, I think it's fair to question why. You can presume, but that's not scientific. If you start to muddy what's science and what's not, you help those who want to obfuscate climate science and other real science for their own purposes.
Stigmatizing anything is idiotic, whether it be mental illness or real. Either way the person deserves compassion. If I had to bet on it, I'd put transgender being a naturally occurring phenomena as a 60/40 favorite over mental illness, but 60/40 is gut feeling territory, it's not science.
That's entirely different than sexual preference where science can't look at your DNA and guess with any reliable accuracy.
That religious zealots treated them in a similar stigmatizing manner in the past is irrelevant. Your gender is hard wired into the very fabric of who you are in almost all. Who you like to sex isn't in any verifiable manner as far as I'm aware.
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is it too stigmatizing to even entertain the possibility that there is a correlation between being trans and being mentally ill? are we at that point?
cause like 50% of trans people try and kill themselves but that's probably fake news.
No, having the debate is a good thing. I believe it would eventually lead to greater tolerance for trans if the debate was held openly without fear of being labelled a transphobe or w/e.
But just leave the bible bashers out of the discussion as we know they're never changing their views.
Whats creepy is posting private information about yourself on a public forum as a desperate plea for attention and expecting for that information not to be subjected to ridicule, how long have you been on these forums??
The way you insult people using personal information is creepy as shit. How terrible do you feel about your life? Lewfather 2.0
What's also creepy is allowing people with a gender crisis to join the military and totally ignoring the fact that those issues come with severe mental illness to say the least.
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Doubt anyone in this thread has denied that there's a correlation between being trans and mental illnesses. Only thing that has been denied is the causation.
No, having the debate is a good thing. I believe it would eventually lead to greater tolerance for trans if the debate was held openly without fear of being labelled a transphobe or w/e.
But just leave the bible bashers out of the discussion as we know they're never changing their views.
Discrimination among other reasons have been shown to have an effect in mental well being. Also in this case less discrimination is better, just in case you were confused how it works.
No one is saying you should get a pass from anything regarding mental or physical health while enlisting/serving just because you're transgender.
It's weird for me that this ban is even legal.
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