Originally Posted by big dick
the law is the law. if electoral voters feel they are forced to act against the best interests of the republic by a vote, they are obligated to reconcile that, is my understanding.
pro tip: im not a constitutional law expert, i never heard of this shit until last week. but thats the gist of what im picking up in the streets.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
good luck trying to explain that to the confederate flag crowd, of course.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
the law is the law. if electoral voters feel they are forced to act against the best interests of the republic by a vote, they are obligated to reconcile that, is my understanding.
pro tip: im not a constitutional law expert, i never heard of this shit until last week. but thats the gist of what im picking up in the streets.
Yea...ok....
https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg.../electors.html
Cliff notes: don't hold your breath lol
About the Electors
What are the qualifications to be an Elector?
The U.S. Constitution contains very few provisions relating to the qualifications of Electors. Article II, section 1, clause 2 provides that no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector. As a historical matter, the 14th Amendment provides that state officials who have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States or given aid and comfort to its enemies are disqualified from serving as Electors. This prohibition relates to the post-Civil War era.
Each state's Certificates of Ascertainment confirms the names of its appointed electors. A state's certification of its electors is generally sufficient to establish the qualifications of electors.
Who selects the Electors?
Choosing each state's Electors is a two-part process. First, the political parties in each state choose slates of potential Electors sometime before the general election. Second, on Election Day, the voters in each state select their state's Electors by casting their ballots for President.
The first part of the process is controlled by the political parties in each state and varies from state to state. Generally, the parties either nominate slates of potential Electors at their state party conventions or they chose them by a vote of the party's central committee. This happens in each state for each party by whatever rules the state party and (sometimes) the national party have for the process. This first part of the process results in each Presidential candidate having their own unique slate of potential Electors.
Political parties often choose Electors for the slate to recognize their service and dedication to that political party. They may be state elected officials, state party leaders, or people in the state who have a personal or political affiliation with their party's Presidential candidate. (For specific information about how slates of potential Electors are chosen, contact the political parties in each state.)
The second part of the process happens on Election Day. When the voters in each state cast votes for the Presidential candidate of their choice they are voting to select their state's Electors. The potential Electors' names may or may not appear on the ballot below the name of the Presidential candidates, depending on election procedures and ballot formats in each state.
The winning Presidential candidate's slate of potential Electors are appointed as the state's Electors—except in Nebraska and Maine, which have proportional distribution of the Electors. In Nebraska and Maine, the state winner receives two Electors and the winner of each congressional district (who may be the same as the overall winner or a different candidate) receives one Elector. This system permits the Electors from Nebraska and Maine to be awarded to more than one candidate.
Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?
There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their states. Some states, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by state law and those bound by pledges to political parties.
The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some state laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.
Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.
List of State Laws and Requirements Regarding the Electors
verified as of March 1, 2016
The Office of the Federal Register presents this material for informational purposes only, in response to numerous public inquiries. The list has no legal significance. It is based on information compiled by the Congressional Research Service. For more comprehensive information, refer to the U.S. Constitution and applicable Federal laws.
Legal Requirements or Pledges
Electors in these States are bound by State Law or by pledges to cast their vote for a specific candidate:
ALABAMA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 17-19-2
ALASKA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 15.30.040; 15.30.070
CALIFORNIA – State Law – Elections Code § 6906
COLORADO – State Law – § 1-4-304
CONNECTICUT – State Law – § 9-175
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA – DC Pledge / DC Law – § 1-1001.08(g)
FLORIDA – Party Pledge / State Law – § 103.021(1)
HAWAII – State Law – §§ 14-26 to 14-28
MAINE – State Law – § 805
MARYLAND – State Law – § 8-505
MASSACHUSETTS – Party Pledge / State Law – Ch. 53, § 8, Supp.
MICHIGAN – State Law – §168.47 (Violation cancels vote and Elector is replaced.)
MISSISSIPPI – Party Pledge / State Law – §23-15-785(3)
MONTANA – State Law – § 13-25-304
NEBRASKA – State Law – § 32-714
NEW MEXICO – State Law – § 1-15-5 to 1-15-9 (Violation is a fourth degree felony.)
NORTH CAROLINA – State Law – § 163-212 (Violation cancels vote; elector is replaced and is subject to $500 fine.)
OHIO – State Law – § 3505.40
OKLAHOMA – State Pledge / State Law – 26, §§ 10-102; 10-109 (Violation of oath is a misdemeanor, carrying a fine of up to $1000.)
OREGON – State Pledge / State Law – § 248.355
SOUTH CAROLINA – State Pledge / State Law – § 7-19-80 (Replacement and criminal sanctions for violation.)
VERMONT – State Law – title 17, § 2732
VIRGINIA – State Law – § 24.2-202
WASHINGTON – Party Pledge / State Law – §§ 29.71.020, 29.71.040, Supp. ($1000 fine.)
WISCONSIN – State Law – § 7.75
WYOMING – State Law – §§ 22-19-106; 22-19-108
It's possible for the electoral voters that are unbound to change their votes, but even at that Trump has already promised to fight it till the end so this could lead to a shit load of lawsuits tying up the process for months.
Hey why doesn't Hillary contest the election? Still waiting on someone to enlighten me on that one.
Last edited by Mintjewlips; 11-15-2016 at 01:29 AM.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Drexel
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Because Jesus wants it that way.
Send in the clowns
Portland protesters who were arrested ^^^^
They look like a bunch of meth addicts and/or pedophiles.
really draining that swamp
Steve Mnuchin going to be named Treasury secretary
Ex Goldman Sachs executive
Can we atleast wait till Trump announces his cabinet before we criticize his picks?
He's going to use these establishment types that know how to navigate the swamp, then as soon as they fuck up he's going to drop them in the drain.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Drexel
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Yes. I really hope he does the right thing with his selections.
The Founding Fathers did not want a system set up where a couple big states determined the election. So they set up the Electoral College. This avoids a scenario in 2016 where Cali, North East and Texas determine the President. If it were just the popular vote Presidential candidates would simply campaign out in the inner cities and college campuses and ignore the rest of the country.
I know the losing side always gets pissed off when this happens, but guess what? It will never, never change. In order to get it changed you need a constitutional amendment. That requires 2/3 of both chambers of Congress AND more importantly 3/4th of the State Legislatures. If you think states like Montana, Idaho and Alabama are going to concede their power to New York and California, you are nuts. Put it this way, last amendment attempt was from the 1970s for the ERA (Women) and it flamed out in the state legislatures.
The reason the Dems lost has nothing to do with the Electoral college. Trump was simply a campaign machine touring 3 states a day, every day the final month. Clinton was focused on her transition team taking it easy. When she realized she was in trouble in the rust belt the final week, it was too late. Basically Trump converted the white working class Obama vote to himself. I mean fuck, Clinton never even visited Wisconsin, you get what you get.
People are making valid points to get rid of the electoral college yet no one seems to care about super delegates in the Democratic party.
"Druff would suck his own dick if it were long enough"- Brandon "drexel" Drexel
"ann coulter literally has more common sense than pfa."-Sonatine
"Real grinders supports poker fraud"- Ray Davis
"DRILLED HER GOOD"- HONGKONGER
Send in the clowns
Portland protesters who were arrested ^^^^
Well look at that, most of the special little snowflakes never even bothered to vote...
http://trib.al/OvU29Uh
Druff, your dismissing the merit of politicial demonstrations in a democracy is appalling. Because maybe if (more?) people in the US in the 1930s publicly protested against anti-Semitism, the passengers of this ill-fated passengership wouldn't have ended up dying in Nazi concentration camps.Send in the clowns
Portland protesters who were arrested ^^^^
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b02d21bbc9565b
Trump will become the third U.S. president in history to not take a salary, according to Snopes.com. Herbert Hoover and John F. Kennedy both donated their salaries to charity.
I have had Issues with credit cards in Europe
I hope he brings back prohibition, Trump! Trump! Trump! jk
It's funny how Burr jokes about Hillary wearing horns and fucking under a mountain or some shit. That's been an ongoing joke of his about POwerfuL leaders. I bet he made a few people nervous when he said that on Conan.
Last edited by FPS_Russia; 11-15-2016 at 09:03 AM.
Pretty amazing reading these responses from die hard liberal fuckwads living in denial that Donald J Trump is officially the next President
Specifically Tine....easily the most vocal anti trumper in this thread posting 20 fucking times a day with odds etc and bashing him non stop
Predictably now bad mouthing him before he even takes office.
pathetic
Like most libtard assholes living in a state of total delusion
Tine please start blocking traffic on one of the Oregon freeways with your leftist retard buddies so I can run you down with my foot on the gas.
I really despise your know it all posts claiming to be such an expert on the political process, when in reality you just got ass slapped and still whining like a huge bitch
Last edited by tyde; 11-15-2016 at 10:53 AM.
The super delegates are dumb but the Democratic Party is a private organization and can determine its own method of selecting its candidate.
It is November 15th 2016, almost a week after the election and there are still more than 4 million ballots left to count.
WTF?
When are they going to stop using paper ballots?
The Founding Fathers did not want a system set up where a couple big states determined the election. So they set up the Electoral College. This avoids a scenario in 2016 where Cali, North East and Texas determine the President. If it were just the popular vote Presidential candidates would simply campaign out in the inner cities and college campuses and ignore the rest of the country.
I know the losing side always gets pissed off when this happens, but guess what? It will never, never change. In order to get it changed you need a constitutional amendment. That requires 2/3 of both chambers of Congress AND more importantly 3/4th of the State Legislatures. If you think states like Montana, Idaho and Alabama are going to concede their power to New York and California, you are nuts. Put it this way, last amendment attempt was from the 1970s for the ERA (Women) and it flamed out in the state legislatures.
The reason the Dems lost has nothing to do with the Electoral college. Trump was simply a campaign machine touring 3 states a day, every day the final month. Clinton was focused on her transition team taking it easy. When she realized she was in trouble in the rust belt the final week, it was too late. Basically Trump converted the white working class Obama vote to himself. I mean fuck, Clinton never even visited Wisconsin, you get what you get.
I do not disagree with anything you said after the sentence in bold. The Electoral College was set up because James Madison and Alexander Hamilton believed the general population would not be educated enough on the issues to properly elect a president. I not advocating for or against the electoral college but the population of states had nothing to do with it.
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