Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
BTW, I went to public school all my life. Even public college.

I dealt with some of these awful, lazy, and sometimes abusive teachers.

At first my parents tried to complain to the principal when they saw things they didn't like, but they soon realized that it was useless. These teachers could not be fired or disciplined meaningfully. The principals even admitted this, basically saying, "I agree with you, and I wish I could do something about this, but the union...."

It wasn't an excuse. It was the truth. I saw it firsthand. Some teachers were great, some were okay, some were bad, but you had absolutely zero recourse against the bad ones unless they committed a crime or did something horrendous.

I'd love to be able to say that this was a '70s and '80s problem which no longer exists with teachers' unions, but it's the exact same situation today. There has been zero reform.

I don't have to theorize about this one. I lived it.
I spent some time in non union catholic schools and geuss what? I had numerous shitty teachers and got physically abused by at least 5 seperate teachers/deans/brothers/nuns.Guess how many times I got beat up by union teachers? yeah none