Another Unarmed Black Man Shot Dead By Police

[BetCheckBet]

The man shot today in Minnesota, Philando Castile, was a cafeteria worker for the J.J. Hill Montessori School in St. Paul for 12 to 15 years. He had no active current criminal record (he only had a misdemeanor case for not having insurance; he was also booked once for driving after revocation). He also had a Concealed Carry Permit for his firearm, which is actually quite common in most neighborhoods in the Midwest and South where crime is high and where protection is needed from the actual "thugs" you speak of.

He (Alton Sterling) apparently had a gun in his waistband, after someone had actually reported him to 911 for using the gun to intimidate someone.

According to the store owner below, the call of a man creating a disturbance was not referring to Sterling, but a homeless person who had asked both for money and was upset when they told him to screw.

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911 call was from homeless guy who sterling showed his gun to when he asked him for money...

I wouldn't put much stock in store owner who reported sterling wouldn't hurt a fly and gave impression he was law abiding.


You are correct about second case. These two are very different cases.

[Shizzmoney]

911 call was from homeless guy who sterling showed his gun to when he asked him for money...

I wouldn't put much stock in store owner who reported sterling wouldn't hurt a fly and gave impression he was law abiding.

Yeah, I saw that too about the homeless guy. As usual, since this is the redneck South, the info coming out from there on this case is merky at best...which is a shocker, because parts of the South, black or white, are like god damned middle Earth /sarc

I will challenge the store owners' assertion however saying that this guy "wouldn't hurt a fly" - if you think about it, why would a businessman stick his neck out for some random guy he barely knew, unless he was absolutely sure about it, considering the potential repercussions and retaliation from both the police, the media, and the community? Unlike some random witness on the street, this guy actually has "skin in the game" and it could actually hurt his business and his ability to make a living.

Either way, yes...this guy had a rap sheet, but it doesn't excuse any officer of the law to just shoot people at random on their own accord just because they "felt" were personally threatened. Concentrated violence came about from incidents like the Boston Massacre and the Troubles/Bogside murders in Northern Ireland stemming from authorities using their extrajudicial power to kill when subjects didn't comply with commands. It's a slippery slope to defend authoritarianism in a country where there (presumably) is "innocent until proven guilty".

[BetCheckBet]

Wrong thread edit.

Store owner knew him for 6-7 years. He is not random.

[BiffCo99]

911 call was from homeless guy who sterling showed his gun to when he asked him for money...

I wouldn't put much stock in store owner who reported sterling wouldn't hurt a fly and gave impression he was law abiding.

Yeah, I saw that too about the homeless guy. As usual, since this is the redneck South, the info coming out from there on this case is merky at best...which is a shocker, because parts of the South, black or white, are like god damned middle Earth /sarc

I will challenge the store owners' assertion however saying that this guy "wouldn't hurt a fly" - if you think about it, why would a businessman stick his neck out for some random guy he barely knew, unless he was absolutely sure about it, considering the potential repercussions and retaliation from both the police, the media, and the community? Unlike some random witness on the street, this guy actually has "skin in the game" and it could actually hurt his business and his ability to make a living.

Either way, yes...this guy had a rap sheet, but it doesn't excuse any officer of the law to just shoot people at random on their own accord just because they "felt" were personally threatened. Concentrated violence came about from incidents like the Boston Massacre and the Troubles/Bogside murders in Northern Ireland stemming from authorities using their extrajudicial power to kill when subjects didn't comply with commands. It's a slippery slope to defend authoritarianism in a country where there (presumably) is "innocent until proven guilty".

If he took the cops side in this his store would be burned down to the ground by "the community" real quick. And to say this guy wouldn't hurt a fly is ridiculous. He has a very violent past, that's a fact. He has more than just a "record". He has a lengthy violent criminal history.

[Shizzmoney]

Store owner knew him for 6-7 years. He is not random.

OK, point taken...but in the end, he is a customer/patron, not a family member. I doubt the store owner ate at Thanksgiving with the man.

If he took the cops side in this his store would be burned down to the ground by "the community" real quick.

I disagree; I bet the cops would take every single measure to ensure that would not happen by offering his place of business protection and continual patrols, which is quite often in cases where business owners are witnesses in high profile cases. He really has no reason to stick up for the guy, unless he felt it was the right thing in his heart to do. Additionally, if the store owner did offer a witness account taking the cops side, and he was right, "the community" (lol dog whistle) would probably not give a fuck about this guy. Remember, this is po-dunk poor as fuck Louisiana; people deal with random violence and killings daily. This isn't the first black guy killed by inner city violence, state driven or citizen driven, and it won't be the last. Most are desensitized to it, unless its under a circumstance like this one where something nefarious potentially happened. But that is up to a court to decide (lol), not public opinion.

Not every human is a piece of garbage, just as not every person who is shot by police an angel.

The fact that "the community" hasn't rioted is a testament to them, as riots are the language of the unheard.

Also, this is pretty LOL:

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[FPS_Russia]

Alton Sterling criminal record: 2009 Baton Rouge PD affidavit of probable cause an officer attempting to pat Sterling down when Sterling resisted arrest and the officer ended up "wrestling with the defendant on the ground" at which time a "black semi auto gun fell from his waistband." Sterling was arrested without further incident.
Sterling was stopped for doing 65/45 zone in a separate incident. Probable cause affidavit filed by officer A. Miller stated Sterling was driving without insurance, and allowed Sterling to retrieve belongings prior to vehicle being towed. Sterling later threatened to have the officers badges and their jobs. Sterling walked to the bus stop then laid out in a prone position telling officers to "go ahead and beat him down regardless of the outcome."
Sterling was convicted 20 September 2000 for "Carnal knowledge of a juvenile" the victims was a 14 year old female. Court files said he was accused of not registering as a sex offender or notifying AHJ that he changed addresses.
In 2011 Sterling was sentenced to 5 years for "knowingly and intentionally possessing a firearm while in possession of a controlled dangerous substance (marijuana)"
In another probable cause affidavit, Corporal P. Lockett wrote Sterling was a accused of kicking in a front door threatening two victims in their home with a gun.
In another affidavit by the sheriffs office Sterling is accused of breaking into a woman's apartment and attempting to sell her pet goldfish.
Sterling was convicted of domestic battery in 2008, serving 90 days in jail.
Sterling was charged battery with a dangerous weapon in 2006.

[sah_24]

911 call was from homeless guy who sterling showed his gun to when he asked him for money...

I wouldn't put much stock in store owner who reported sterling wouldn't hurt a fly and gave impression he was law abiding.

Yeah, I saw that too about the homeless guy. As usual, since this is the redneck South, the info coming out from there on this case is merky at best...which is a shocker, because parts of the South, black or white, are like god damned middle Earth /sarc

I will challenge the store owners' assertion however saying that this guy "wouldn't hurt a fly" - if you think about it, why would a businessman stick his neck out for some random guy he barely knew, unless he was absolutely sure about it, considering the potential repercussions and retaliation from both the police, the media, and the community? Unlike some random witness on the street, this guy actually has "skin in the game" and it could actually hurt his business and his ability to make a living.

Either way, yes...this guy had a rap sheet, but it doesn't excuse any officer of the law to just shoot people at random on their own accord just because they "felt" were personally threatened. Concentrated violence came about from incidents like the Boston Massacre and the Troubles/Bogside murders in Northern Ireland stemming from authorities using their extrajudicial power to kill when subjects didn't comply with commands. It's a slippery slope to defend authoritarianism in a country where there (presumably) is "innocent until proven guilty".

You don't get to debate your innocence with the cops, that's what a courts and juries are for. When you resist like this you have a chance to end up like this moron. Don't resist and you have no problems it is incredibly simple

[LarryLaffer]

and the guy in Minnesota? did he resist?


no he didn't.



nice try fucko

[sah_24]

and the guy in Minnesota? did he resist?


no he didn't.



nice try fucko

There is 0 evidence in that case so lol, you are literally retarded Larry. . .

[sah_24]

TheXFactor: If he didn't resist...cops would have shot him anyway and you would justify that because you are a dumb motherfucker.

Wrong as usual, big surprise . . .

[FPS_Russia]

If I owned a store I wouldn't let a ex-con w a gun stand in front and sell bootlegged cd's, that's just weird. May of been security I guess.
In his crim. record he broke into a ladies house to sell her a pet goldfish, those door to door salesman I tell ya.

[LarryLaffer]

and the guy in Minnesota? did he resist?


no he didn't.



nice try fucko

There is 0 evidence in that case so lol, you are literally retarded Larry. . .

Oh ok. So SAH stands for STUPID ASS HAT then.


there's video. she live streamed it on FB. the video is out now. we've all seen it.


I don't get it, are you a cop? or is your sister (wife) a cop? was your inbred whiskey drinking child molesting father a cop?

Because you're either a cop, or a fucking cop apologist.

PAGING DRK STAR.

we need your expertise on the police here.

[wrenchjockey]

there's video. she live streamed it on FB. the video is out now. we've all seen it.

You have to admit, all of this video was AFTER the fact. Acting like this will be the only evidence in this matter is not helping you. I completely agree this doesn't look good for the cop in the MN case, but I'm gonna wait until ALL the evidence is out before hanging him. When you had your pound of weed on you and got your ticket, how would you have felt if the judge just snap-sentenced you without hearing ALL the facts? That's essentially what you're doing here. And before you say your case is different, or didn't happen that way, it's simply a comparison.

[sah_24]

There is 0 evidence in that case so lol, you are literally retarded Larry. . .

Oh ok. So SAH stands for STUPID ASS HAT then.


there's video. she live streamed it on FB. the video is out now. we've all seen it.


I don't get it, are you a cop? or is your sister (wife) a cop? was your inbred whiskey drinking child molesting father a cop?

Because you're either a cop, or a fucking cop apologist.

PAGING DRK STAR.

we need your expertise on the police here.

No one in my family is a cop, I don't like cops. But I am just not a biased retard like you and can actually judge the facts of each situation differently. There are many instances that show the militarization of our police has lead to unjust deaths of people (even listed some examples earlier). However this is not one of those situations and the fact you don't see the difference shows your ignorance . . .

[sah_24]

there's video. she live streamed it on FB. the video is out now. we've all seen it.

You have to admit, all of this video was AFTER the fact. Acting like this will be the only evidence in this matter is not helping you. I completely agree this doesn't look good for the cop in the MN case, but I'm gonna wait until ALL the evidence is out before hanging him. When you had your pound of weed on you and got your ticket, how would you have felt if the judge just snap-sentenced you without hearing ALL the facts? That's essentially what you're doing here. And before you say your case is different, or didn't happen that way, it's simply a comparison.

Exactly, only one side of the story so far and 0 evidence of the actual shooting. I will say the minnesota cop looks like he fucked up based on early evidence, but I doubt we have the full story . . .

[wrenchjockey]

The big question I have in the MN case is did the officer follow any procedure to disarm the man after he declared he was a CC permit holder and armed. I've been told there are specific procedures, including having the permit holder exit the vehicle with hands in clear view and no motions toward the weapon made, submit to disarming, clearing the weapon and safely holding the weapon during investigation, then returning the weapon to the permit holder after the stop. I would imagine there are clear and concise commands the officer issues and expects to be followed. We don't know if any of this happened, because the video was all streamed after the shots were fired.

These two threads are getting confusing though, can we all agree they should be separated and discussed on their individual merits? They are clearly VERY different, even though the result was the same.

[FPS_Russia]

You have to admit, all of this video was AFTER the fact. Acting like this will be the only evidence in this matter is not helping you. I completely agree this doesn't look good for the cop in the MN case, but I'm gonna wait until ALL the evidence is out before hanging him. When you had your pound of weed on you and got your ticket, how would you have felt if the judge just snap-sentenced you without hearing ALL the facts? That's essentially what you're doing here. And before you say your case is different, or didn't happen that way, it's simply a comparison.

Exactly, only one side of the story so far and 0 evidence of the actual shooting. I will say the minnesota cop looks like he fucked up based on early evidence, but I doubt we have the full story . . .

I would think the PD would rush out strong evidence (body cam) that backed the officer to halt the media circus. Huffpo homepage looks to have one goal, stoke racial tension.

[TheXFactor]

Louisiana prosecutor: Man’s death by cops a ‘state-authorized killing’
http://nypost.com/2016/07/07/louisia...rized-killing/

“This is potentially a state-authorized killing,” East Baton Rouge District Attorney Hillar Moore told CBS. “It gives law enforcement officers the authority and mandates them to kill when in defense of themselves or others.”

Baton Rouge police have insisted that Alton Sterling, 37 — who had a lengthy rap sheet — was armed when the officers approached him during the confrontation early Tuesday. But two cellphone videos of the shooting fail to show Sterling with any weapon.

It appears Sterling is flat on his back when one of the officers pulls his gun. A voice can be heard screaming, “He’s got a gun!” before shots ring out.

Baton Rouge Police Chief Carl Dabadie Jr. — speaking Wednesday before that second, more troubling video emerged — said his officers responded to the Triple S Food Mart at about 12:35 a.m. Tuesday after a call “from someone who stated that a black male selling CDs and wearing a red sweat shirt threatened them with a gun.”

CNN reported Thursday that a homeless man placed the 911 call that brought the officers to the scene after Sterling had pulled a gun on him for begging for money.

“When officers arrived, Sterling was armed and the altercation ensued that resulted in the loss of his life,” added Dabadie, who didn’t disclose what type of weapon Sterling allegedly was carrying.

Abdullah Muflahi, owner of the Triple S Food Mart, said he witnessed cops taking a gun out of Sterling’s pocket after he was shot. Muflahi said Sterling had been packing heat recently after being mugged.

“His hand was nowhere [near] his pocket,” Muflahi told The Advocate of Baton Rouge, adding that he never saw Sterling holding a gun during the confrontation. “They [police] were really aggressive with him from the start.”

If you want to get black people killed, call 911 and tell them a black guy with a gun is threatening people and direct them to any convenience store.

[thesidedish]

Larry Laffer has to be banned for the good of the site. Todd u should not force us to have to argue with this idiot, I'm sure we all feel like total losers after doing it, plz help us

[big dick]

thesidedish has to be banned for the good of the site. Todd u should not force us to have to argue with this idiot, I'm sure we all feel like total losers after doing it, plz help us