Originally Posted by Gordman
You're also not allowed to correct people when they call it an automatic.
You're also not allowed to correct people when they call it an automatic.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
Does it really matter which make/model of assault rifle he used? I'm not advocating one side or the other in the inevitable upcoming gun debate (although I do find it disconcerting that this guy was able to legally buy something that he used to kill dozens of people).
I just don't see how the particular make/model of the semi-automatic assault rifle he used matters. But I'm genuinely interested to hear someone explain the relevance of this new info and how it could possibly affect any aspect of the gun debate.
You're also not allowed to correct people when they call it an automatic.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.
It shoots 700 rounds a minute too lol
Like the reporter told Alan Grayson: show me an AR-15 (or any simi-auto) that you can fire 700 rounds a minute, and I will give you $50,000
very very surprised they're not using the term long guns here. they love that term in the media as of late. (since Sandy hook)
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1) you cant have a debate on something if youre not describing the subject correctly, and you sure as hell cant legislate without using correct nomenclature. there are huge differences between semi-auto, auto, and bolt action/single shot for example. perhaps more than anyone else here, you should be aware of the potential ramifications of taking legislature to congress that the NRA can describe as nonsensical and inaccurate and be 100% technically correct in doing so. that legislation wont get passed, period.
2) if you say hes using an AR-15, and you find hostages with front-facing gunshot wounds from an AR-15, and the swat team uses AR-15s, and all that goes on the record as 'killed by gunmen' but in reality the gunman was using a totally different make/caliber gun, what you have are a bunch of hostages quietly murdered by Florida McSwatfags and that right there is something Id want to know about if I woke up today shopping for funeral homes for my kid/husband/wife. no can tell me that a bunch of upjumped traffic cops with military hardware thought real hard about what they were aiming at after they *breached the clubs walls with c4 and confronted an active shooter hiding behind a wall of fags with weapons hot*. and thats conversation is coming, believe me.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
i saw a tweet which actually kinda blew my mind... it described the shooting more or less as an american citizen just slaughtered a club full of gays. when you strip away the islam jibber jabber and get down to the stone facts, its safe to say big changes are coming; you just dont fuck with queens. they are easily one of the most effective and motivated political movements in the nation and have something like 40+ years of political connections to work with.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
It absolutely does. Personally, it matters to me as I have weapons, and I don't wish for ignorant laws to be put in place based on misinformation and fear. The media loves bringing the AR-15 "assault rifle" into the spotlight before the bodies are even cold. Damn right im going to correct it
1) he didn't use an assault rifle. The media loves saying this term. Hell, im pretty sure they made it up. Assault rifles have been banned in this country for YEARS. Pretty much why the assault weapons ban from 1993 - 2004 did absolutely nothing to curtail assault weapons...because there wasn't much of any - hence it expired without being renewed.
Simply put, an assault rifle is capable of selective fire ( semi auto, 3 round burst and/or full auto). An AR is not an assault rifle, nor was the weapon that the shooters used. Notice I said SHOOTERS, which ill get to in a minute.
Anyway, everyone of course thinks the AR is some big scary weapon, when believe it or not, it is actually relatively low powered. Yes, it is semi auto and you can shoot 1 round for every trigger pull, but thats the same thing you can do with many rifles and handguns these days - and many of those models are much higher powered than an AR. Many areas don't even allow the AR-15 for deer hunting or other game (only small game), because it would take several rounds to put down an animal humanely.
Now on to talk about what actually happened there. Of course this is only my opinion, but something smells very fishy as far as the timeline of events as well as how many rounds this guy supposedly fired. Im not much of a conspiracy guy at all and normally roll my eyes at the stuff, but this situation smells bad.
So let me see if i have this right: A shooter walks into the nightclub and shoots 103 people in under 7 minutes at 2 am. Most of the people hit were shot with multiple rounds, there were reports of several dozen rounds fired in the air and dozens of rounds missing....
Three hours LATER, he engages in a gunfight with 9 officers...this supposedly lasts nearly an hour...
so lets add this up: One shooter in under 7 minutes reloaded his weapon 30 times with 30 rd mags, fires 1000 rounds of .223, takes a 3 hour break, and then engages in a gun battle with police lasting nearly an hour, of which the swat team described as a "hail of bullets"?
Many people don't realize how heavy 30 magazines are fully loaded...plus you're carrying the weapon and any other "tools". I would venture to say that 30 mags alone were over 40 lbs, oh and i forgot this guy fired MORE rounds in the gun battle with police that lasted an hour. The numbers just don't add up. What was this guy doing, carrying a 40+ lb ammo can and reloading his weapon with one hand!? And there is no tactical vest that I know of that will comfortably fit 30 magazines plus everything else.
No no no, im not buying it. There were at least 2 shooters and quite possibly even 3, and they escaped. Why is the media and police not mentioning this? who knows, maybe they don't want to scare the public or scare them away.
Last edited by Gordman; 06-14-2016 at 01:27 PM.
BTW, anyone please correct me if I gave wrong information on my above post, but that is the way I understood it.
Is there any talk about the 3 muslim somali guys who took hostages at a walmart in Texas today?
rumdick I'm also not advocating one side or the other, but here's a piece of an article from redstate:
http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2016...tive-building/Only one tiny problem. Omar Mateen did not use an AR-15:
Now this Sig is every bit as dangerous as an AR-15. It is sold in a semi-auto version to sportsmen and in full automatic by assorted special operations forces worldwide. The point is that it is not and AR-15 and no one, other than the media, ever claimed it was an AR-15. In fact, there is no humanly possible way it could be mistaken for an AR-15. This is not a mistake. This is a narrative. It is designed to build a consensus that the AR-15 is uniquely dangerous and contrive to outlaw it. Once that is accomplished the cry will be raised to outlaw similar weapons.
And in regards to SWAT hitting people with bullets:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime...382673091.htmlOn Monday, Orlando Police Chief John Mina and other law enforcement officers offered new details about the shooting, including the possibility that some victims may have been killed by officers trying to save them.
"I will say this, that's all part of the investigation," Mina said. "But I will say when our SWAT officers, about eight or nine officers, opened fire, the backdrop was a concrete wall and they were being fired upon."
A law enforcement source close to the investigation who asked not to be named because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly said a crowd of up to 300 people and the complex layout of the dance club may have resulted in some patrons being struck by gunfire from officers.
I dont agree with the theory that there were multiple shooters because not a single witness has suggested this was the case.
But I enthusiastically agree that the narrative presented makes exactly no sense at all. My gut is telling me the gunman killed about 15-20 people and the rest of the casualties and 80% of the shots fired came from swat.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
that's quite possible. I thought I remember reading somewhere that one girl who was shot multiple times insisted there was more than one guy - then again, sigh...it brings up the possibility of the swat team.
I dont agree with the theory that there were multiple shooters because not a single witness has suggested this was the case.
But I enthusiastically agree that the narrative presented makes exactly no sense at all. My gut is telling me the gunman killed about 15-20 people and the rest of the casualties and 80% of the shots fired came from swat.
Sorry, Conservatives, Alan Grayson and Bernie Sanders Are Right About Automatic Weapons
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one.
It shoots 700 rounds a minute too lol
Like the reporter told Alan Grayson: show me an AR-15 (or any simi-auto) that you can fire 700 rounds a minute, and I will give you $50,000
Florida Democratic Congressman Alan Grayson is being mocked for saying that the AR-15 used in Sunday’s mass shooting in Orlando could fire 700 rounds per minute, with one conservative even offering to donate $50,000 to charity if Grayson could achieve that rate of fire with a semi-automatic AR-15. The basis of this criticism is that no human being could possibly pull the trigger fast enough to squeeze off that many rounds. As is often the case, reality is not the conservatives’ friend:
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4...c-weapons_news
Some of the people in these videos are using an accessory, called a “slide stock,” that helps the shooter to fire more quickly, while others are using a technique called “bump fire” that uses the kick from the weapon to quickly fire rounds, but none of the semiautomatic weapons in that video were modified for automatic fire. Pay up.
Last edited by GambleBotsSatire; 06-14-2016 at 01:41 PM.
As much as I hate the fucking police, in situations like this you are going to have some shit happen, like innocents dying in the confusion of a mass terrorist attack on hundreds of people. Despite whatever training they had there is no way they are prepared for something like this. In Orlando of all places.
I am sure they should have done some things differently, but these things never work out by the book and you just have to deal with it.
I would guess 4/5 were killed by the sand n-word.
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/crime...382673091.htmlAn off-duty Orlando police officer working at the club was investigating an underage drinker outside when he heard gunshots inside, according to the law enforcement source. The off-duty officer ran inside the club and traded gunfire with Mateen, backed up soon by three other Orlando police officers, the source said.
Together, the officers fired at Mateen, who retreated into a bathroom toward the rear of the club.
Not true. There are many people in the club claiming there was more than one shooter.
I dont agree with the theory that there were multiple shooters because not a single witness has suggested this was the case.
But I enthusiastically agree that the narrative presented makes exactly no sense at all. My gut is telling me the gunman killed about 15-20 people and the rest of the casualties and 80% of the shots fired came from swat.
Not true. There are many people in the club claiming there was more than one shooter.
All Ive heard on the subject are blind attributions and not one single verifiable post/comment.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
https://www.youtube.com/embed/VvDFI2Ll4pI
All Ive heard on the subject are blind attributions and not one single verifiable post/comment.
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