As soon as you get lawyers involved, no-one wins except the lawyers.
As soon as you get lawyers involved, no-one wins except the lawyers.
So true.Originally Posted by Belly Buster
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" - 'King Henry VI'. (Act IV, Scene II) William Shakespeare.
While I enjoy SixToe's view of this whole thing, it is fairly silly to think that Dutch came out ahead in this whole thing somehow. I mean, if Mason had like a $60K a year income and spent that much on lawyers for a judgment he likely won't ever see, sure, Dutch wins the moral victory I guess. But that isn't the case, not by a longshot.
Mason is cold, humorless, vindictive, and a pretty f'n solid business man. He vigorously defends his intellectual property, like all good businesses would. Dutch is a terrible business man, and far from a sympathetic character, IMO. Dutch threw a rock at the 2p2 giant, or maybe just threw a rock that happened to hit the giant, and the giant smashed him for it. Sure it took some effort for the giant, but not a whole lot relatively, and the giant got satisfaction from it.
the giant won.
Pete, in general I am a big fan, but you being such a Dutch Boyd sympathizer is kind of annoying. Even if with the payment processor issue he is still ultimately responsible for paying those players and he had multiple opportunities to since then and still never made even a small effort to correct any of it, and he openly lied to his users. He also clearly registered that domain for either the potential to make profit or maliciously, either way it was wrong and he deserves to go through whatever he goes through over it.
Same goes for you dumb fuck.
It's LOL at the random gems you can find that Jasep posted in the past doing a forum search looking for some relevant topic name to post something under.
The only reason I'm bumping this is it came through for a Mason forum search and the Juan post made it a must bump.
Anyways, isn't Mason is just one of the most socially awkward individuals ever?
Some of the stuff he says in this interview is full of shit he don't care about other sites besides 2+2 like he claims.
http://t.co/5MRYOy0sKa
Dutch Boyd Owes Two Plus Two $60K After U.S. District Court Upholds 2012 Judgement
May 05, 2014
After a more than five-year legal battle, Dutch Boyd is being forced to pay up.
On Friday, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a March 2012 judgement against Boyd, claiming he acted in bad faith in registering the domain name "twoplustwopoker.com." Two years ago, U.S. District Court Judge Kent Dawson ruled that the two-time World Series of Poker bracelet winner's infringement was "deliberate and willful," awarding Two Plus Two Publishing LLC. $25,000 in statutory damages and $33,985 in attorney fees.
"[It's] definitely a bad beat," Boyd told PokerNews on Monday. “I guess there is one more person rooting for me to have a really successful Series this summer.”
Two Plus Two first filed suit against Boyd and Anthony Scocozza in December of 2009, claiming the defendants' actions, "disrupted or are intended to disrupt Two Plus Two’s business by, among other things, diverting web users away from Two Plus Two’s Web sites and forums."
Mason Malmuth, owner of Two Plus Two, denied comment, saying that he will release a statement on the popular "News Views and Gossip" forum. He then wrote the following on the forum:
"We'll be making a statement in the near future. But we're very happy with this decision."
This isn't Boyd's first notable off-the-felt incident; in 2012 he publicly sold a 14k gold bracelet that he won in a preliminary event in the 2008 Five Diamond poker series held at Bellagio.
"It's a nice looking (sic) bracelet, but I've never worn it," he wrote at the time. "So I'm selling it to raise some Christmas cash."
Bryan Micon will quit smoking marijuana forever before Dutch Boyd pays Mason Malmuth $60,000.
Mason Malmuth's net worth does not mitigate his foolishness in spending @$34,000 to win control over a $10 domain name he already owned. There is no way around this.
Just because he has money, that makes his behavior OK, something to be admired? That's like saying if he boycotted Charmin over a minor beef and decided to wipe his ass with rolls of $100 bills, that's fine with you because he's wealthy and derived satisfaction flushing shit-stained C-notes down the toilet.
Even though there was no damage to 2plus2 while Boyd controlled the domain name and Dutch transferred the $10 name to Mason's lawyers, Malmuth imprudently continued to spend great gobs of money chasing a ten dollar name he already owned.
He was NOT protecting his 'intellectual property' and he was certainly NOT behaving like a wise businessman. It's reasonable to imagine Dutch felt that Malmuth was acting like a bully shakedown artist as he demanded $15,000 to make the problem go away.
Mason left Dutch no option except to defend himself and thereby win in the end.
My comments about Dutch Boyd being defrauded by payment processors were only meant to balance other posters' one-sided criticisms about that incident. It's important to know the full story.
Dutch may have pursued an ill-advised IM strategy with that $10 domain name but there was never any 'malice'. It's crucial to remember Boyd made no money with the domain name AND RETURNED IT TO MASON long before the lawsuit was filed.
You seem to believe Dutch deserved to be a victim of what some feel is legal extortion. I do not.
Well sooner or later, that Charmin toilet paper roll is gonna be worth more than those $100 bills, anyways.
If you assume any publicity is good publicity, Mason picked a good target and got his 34k worth. Any extra personal satisfaction he may have felt in sinking Dutch was just added value. Plus, you know Mason has sued enough people to have some friendly lawyers working on his behalf. I highly doubt he is out $34k.
If you 'assume' your aunt has a big pair of balls, well then, she's actually your uncle.
If you 'assume' Mason Malmuth's lawyers worked pro bono, your uncle has a fool for a nephew.
LOL. Sad but true.Well sooner or later, that Charmin toilet paper roll is gonna be worth more than those $100 bills, anyways.
Dick the Butcher, the anarchist buffoon? Fitting.
Jack Cade: "There shall be in England seven half-penny loaves sold for a penny: the three-hoop'd pot shall have ten hoops; and I will make it felony to drink small beer: all the realm shall be in common; and in Cheapside shall my palfrey go to grass: and when I am king,- as king I will be ... I thank you, good people:- there shall be no money; all shall eat and drink on my score; and I will apparel them all in one livery, that they may agree like brothers, and worship me their lord."
Dutch the Boyd: "The first thing we do... let's steal intellectual property for lulz and profit!"
Here is another quote: "The lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client."
Losing on summary judgment in a case such as this is Sofa King pathetic! (what's the standard? all he needed to do is raise a question of materal fact to require a jury trial?)
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