Police officer grabs female high school student out of desk & slams her to ground -- justified?

[4Dragons]

Jails are filled with the mentally disturbed.

The police cannot assume each unruly person they deal with is mentally disturbed.

We don't even have evidence that this girl was mentally disturbed. Sounds like a a lot of assumptions are being thrown around in order to make the girl sound more victim-like.

Would your opinion about this change if you learned that the girl did not have mental/emotional handicaps, and was simply being a defiant bitch?

It's in the approach. You approach the situation as a disturbed child, not as a perp that could be dangerous. You can't know the former in advance, but if the situation is with a minor and they're not attacking someone at that moment or even accused of it, you would hope that decorum would dictate a softer approach.

[Dan Druff]

I don't see any downward force. I see him lifting her off the desk and putting her on the floor. In fact, it looks like he's not even completely dropping her, but rather just putting her down quickly.

How come we haven't heard of any major or even medium-grade injuries if this force was so terrible?

I think we're at the point of counting how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. I see it as an attack on someone who was mentally unstable and you see it differently. I will concede that she needs to not be in public school if you concede that he shouldn't deal with juvenile offenders. But I guess that doesn't matter because his fate is already decided and his boss didn't see it your way.

He had to be removed because of the publicity. It was his boss' only play.

The most I will concede here is that the officer used a little too much force in removing her, but she clearly made the situation worse on her own by fighting him from the very start (look at the video again, and you will see plenty of evidence of this).

And again, she caused her own fate here. As I didn't see the officer's actions to be too over-the-top, I think she still got what she deserved, especially since no real injuries seem to have been suffered (or I'm sure we would have heard about it by now).

[RegGaymer]

Who gives a fuck. I'm sure she'll get over it.

If a drunk guy in a pub sits there and refuses to leave when asked, then I'm sure the bouncer would act with as much force as the officer used and nobody would bat an eyelid.

That being said: Druff is probably a fascist racist.

[Dan Druff]

Nobody was beaten up. She was lifted out of her desk, put on the ground, then handcuffed.

Todd, as your biggest mark here, shut it down. Lifted out of her desk? Did you miss the part where he just up and tosses her backwards, desk and all? he didn't grab at her arm and try to remove her from the room, he tried to injure her. Obviously.

He tossed he after she was kicking at him after the first takedown.

Watch the video again.

He didn't just grab and toss her for fun.

[4Dragons]

I think we're at the point of counting how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. I see it as an attack on someone who was mentally unstable and you see it differently. I will concede that she needs to not be in public school if you concede that he shouldn't deal with juvenile offenders. But I guess that doesn't matter because his fate is already decided and his boss didn't see it your way.

He had to be removed because of the publicity. It was his boss' only play.

The most I will concede here is that the officer used a little too much force in removing her, but she clearly made the situation worse on her own by fighting him from the very start (look at the video again, and you will see plenty of evidence of this).

And again, she caused her own fate here. As I didn't see the officer's actions to be too over-the-top, I think she still got what she deserved, especially since no real injuries seem to have been suffered (or I'm sure we would have heard about it by now).

I would hope my government would treat social ills with the whole toolbox, not treat everything as being solvable with a hammer.

[DJ_Chaps]

Does anyone think a police officer should be involved in school discipline? He wasn't arresting her, he was "removing" her from the class.

And remember, some of you pretend to be small government conservatives. Republicans need that reminder more and more these days.

How do you know she wasn't going to be arrested after being removed?

Cuz no crime was committed?

[dwai]

I think we're at the point of counting how many angels will fit on the head of a pin. I see it as an attack on someone who was mentally unstable and you see it differently. I will concede that she needs to not be in public school if you concede that he shouldn't deal with juvenile offenders. But I guess that doesn't matter because his fate is already decided and his boss didn't see it your way.

He had to be removed because of the publicity. It was his boss' only play.

The most I will concede here is that the officer used a little too much force in removing her, but she clearly made the situation worse on her own by fighting him from the very start (look at the video again, and you will see plenty of evidence of this).

And again, she caused her own fate here. As I didn't see the officer's actions to be too over-the-top, I think she still got what she deserved, especially since no real injuries seem to have been suffered (or I'm sure we would have heard about it by now).

YOU'RE OUT OF YOUR MIND SIR.

[DJ_Chaps]

Todd, as your biggest mark here, shut it down. Lifted out of her desk? Did you miss the part where he just up and tosses her backwards, desk and all? he didn't grab at her arm and try to remove her from the room, he tried to injure her. Obviously.

He tossed he after she was kicking at him after the first takedown.

Watch the video again.

He didn't just grab and toss her for fun.

The first takedown, yes, which in itself was use of excessive force. The desk and all went flying over with her. he literally threw her over desk and all. Just another gorilla with a badge. Subhuman IQ I reckon, as well.

[RegGaymer]

Alright, just watched the video and I'd say that looked excessive. Unless she kicked him in the nuts or sumat.

[Dan Druff]

100% if I was in a Subway and caused a disturbance because the owner wouldn't let me have my tomatoes on the side, and then I refused to leave the establishment, resulting in situation like depicted in this video, everyone would be cheering that I got what was coming to me.

Because this involves a minor who is also female and black, and because the cop in question is muscular and menacing-looking, the girl has been cast into the victim role.

Now we have all kinds of ridiculous assumptions and excuses for her, casting mental illness upon her, believing she was seriously injured, and even claims that she was always quiet and well-behaved (but somehow was asked to leave class despite that).

If we could at least have some acknowledgement that this girl was likely just a punk who was disrupting class because of her own issues at the moment, and then agree that the cop could have handled it with a bit less force, that would be great.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Unless it was against himself. Has anyone ever known Druff to side against the cops or authority in general?


No wonder America has the highest incarceration numbers on the planet.

[Lord of the Fraud]

Alright, just watched the video and I'd say that looked excessive. Unless she kicked him in the nuts or sumat.

You've been in Warrington too long.

[RegGaymer]

Unless it was against himself. Has anyone ever known Druff to side against the cops or authority in general?


No wonder America has the highest incarceration numbers on the planet.

Unless it's related to poker, then he prefers to act as the authority.

[Dan Druff]

Unless it was against himself. Has anyone ever known Druff to side against the cops or authority in general?


No wonder America has the highest incarceration numbers on the planet.

On several radio shows, I have chastised cops and the government for civil forfeiture violations.

In these situations, innocent citizens were targeted and their property was basically stolen from them.

Notice that I was defending innocent people being abused by police/government, and not criminals or assholes who create a problem and then expect gentle, coddling treatment by police.

[DJ_Chaps]

100% if I was in a Subway and caused a disturbance because the owner wouldn't let me have my tomatoes on the side, and then I refused to leave the establishment, resulting in situation like depicted in this video, everyone would be cheering that I got what was coming to me.

Because this involves a minor who is also female and black, and because the cop in question is muscular and menacing-looking, the girl has been cast into the victim role.

Now we have all kinds of ridiculous assumptions and excuses for her, casting mental illness upon her, believing she was seriously injured, and even claims that she was always quiet and well-behaved (but somehow was asked to leave class despite that).

If we could at least have some acknowledgement that this girl was likely just a punk who was disrupting class because of her own issues at the moment, and then agree that the cop could have handled it with a bit less force, that would be great.

Let's take your outlook for a second, Todd. That this girl was just another unruly sheboon in the making. Do you really need a juiced up mongoloid with a badge to come rough her up? She has broken no laws. If school admin couldn't handle it, they should go find jobs bagging groceries for fucks sake.

[Dan Druff]

He tossed he after she was kicking at him after the first takedown.

Watch the video again.

He didn't just grab and toss her for fun.

The first takedown, yes, which in itself was use of excessive force. The desk and all went flying over with her. he literally threw her over desk and all. Just another gorilla with a badge. Subhuman IQ I reckon, as well.

I'm not seeing it.

Just watched again, and he lifted her out of the desk, and bent down to put her on the floor (did not even freefall-drop her out of his arms).

Where are you seeing everything flying?

I'm only seeing that in the second party when she kicks at him, and he grabs her and throws her to the other side of the room, which topples the desk.

[TheXFactor]

Cops enjoy beating the shit out of black people.

[GrenadaRoger]

schools, particularly US public schools, are in a number of ways like a prison--the students have little choice in being there: it's the law, and if they don't show up, a truant office will come round to enforce attendance. And they have to be in designated classrooms at certain times of the day and to behave in a certain way--there is no choice about that to them.

as a result, a lot of problem kids are there, ones private schools won't accept; those problem kids encourage others to act up as well---and for a public school teacher, classroom management (staying in control) is way more important than subject knowledge; I've taught in LA Unified, I've seen the problem kids, dealt with them, and left them for another career

so I say let's just not insist that kids go to school so long...remove those that don't want to be there...

you do that and students like this girl aren't in the classroom or on the campus---she stays at home

[DJ_Chaps]

The first takedown, yes, which in itself was use of excessive force. The desk and all went flying over with her. he literally threw her over desk and all. Just another gorilla with a badge. Subhuman IQ I reckon, as well.

I'm not seeing it.

Just watched again, and he lifted her out of the desk, and bent down to put her on the floor (did not even freefall-drop her out of his arms).

Where are you seeing everything flying?

I'm only seeing that in the second party when she kicks at him, and he grabs her and throws her to the other side of the room, which topples the desk.

You don't see the desk getting thrown over with her in it? Are you watching an edited version on ChimpOut? :P

[El Gallo]

I have no idea how anyone thinks it's ok to beat up a student or that she deserved it... what is wrong with some of you? What should he have done? I'm not a police officer, they're the experts, but what Sargent Slam shouldn't do under any circumstance is beat up a 16 year old girl... Can we agree on that? That if the girl is not being violent that getting your ass kicked should not be in the realm of possibilities? And even if she was being violent (which she wasn't) that a huge man has better options than what he did.

I can't dead lift 600 pounds but I could subdue a 115 pound girl without getting violent and acting like some kind of bad ass... I hope the cop does jail time