Police officer grabs female high school student out of desk & slams her to ground -- justified?

[Dan Druff]

They had no reaction likely because they had seen this crazy bitch act up time and time again, and weren't surprised that she finally got what was coming to her.

You say the parents should have been called. How do you know they could be reached? Or that they could get down there quickly? For many parents it would take over an hour to get down to the school, even if they left work immediately.

I don't have sympathy for someone forcibly removed when they are intentionally disrupting something and planting themselves where they shouldn't be. I'm not saying they should shoot the person or do something way over-the-top, but an "aggressive removal" (which is what I would call this) is fine, and in fact might teach the person a good lesson.

Once again, if you are going to be an asshole and disrupt something with no regard for everyone else there, you have to accept the consequences of injuries you might suffer when you're forcibly removed.

You can't create a disturbance, refuse to leave, disobey police orders, and then cry that you weren't gently escorted out in the most sensitive way possible.

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Yes, lots of "quiet" teenagers are asked to leave class and subsequently refuse to do so.

Sounds legit.

[ToasterOven]

They had no reaction likely because they had seen this crazy bitch act up time and time again, and weren't surprised that she finally got what was coming to her.

You say the parents should have been called. How do you know they could be reached? Or that they could get down there quickly? For many parents it would take over an hour to get down to the school, even if they left work immediately.

I don't have sympathy for someone forcibly removed when they are intentionally disrupting something and planting themselves where they shouldn't be. I'm not saying they should shoot the person or do something way over-the-top, but an "aggressive removal" (which is what I would call this) is fine, and in fact might teach the person a good lesson.

Once again, if you are going to be an asshole and disrupt something with no regard for everyone else there, you have to accept the consequences of injuries you might suffer when you're forcibly removed.

You can't create a disturbance, refuse to leave, disobey police orders, and then cry that you weren't gently escorted out in the most sensitive way possible.

If I can't presume her parents can be called then you can't presume she has form for this type of behaviour.

IF she was just having a very bad day and had no previous..... Would that much force still be justifiable? Because you're presuming a lot of things.

She's in foster care because her mother recently died. As good a reason as any to beat up a high schooler.

[GrenadaRoger]

well, I think the problem is the age for mandatory schooling is too high--lower it to age 12 from 18...by middle school it's obvious that many kids don't want to be there, so don't require them to attend...when you take away the requirement and start expelling, most of the attitude problems will straighten up, the real criminals will be gotten rid of and the atmosphere will be much improved.

[dwai]

druff you're wrong on this, fuck that n-word cop, hope he dies in a ditch somewhere.

[RealTalk]

Still waiting for the critics to give a good suggestion how to handle this.

All we have so far is "call the parents", which isn't a viable solution for reasons I already stated.

You have to use force to remove someone who will not move. Period.

This had to get physical in some way. For some reason a lot of people don't want to accept this, and feel that the girl should have been able to basically create a long standoff and ruin everyone else's right to an education while she does.

Sorry, life shouldn't work that way. If you are disrupting something and will not leave, the police should have a right to forcibly remove you.

im sure the class proceeded normally and the children really learned a lot after she was removed.

again druff, no one disagrees that she can and most likely should have been removed. the issue is the proper amount force required to do so for a trained 240 lb officer to remove a 14 yr old girl from her desk/classroom, and the technical application of that force.

deputy dipshit obviously didnt follow proper procedures as the sheriff has thrown him under the bus and he has been fired. but yes im sure this is all a leftwing conspiracy to start a race war against white police.

[Dan Druff]

If I can't presume her parents can be called then you can't presume she has form for this type of behaviour.

IF she was just having a very bad day and had no previous..... Would that much force still be justifiable? Because you're presuming a lot of things.

She's in foster care because her mother recently died. As good a reason as any to beat up a high schooler.

Nobody was beaten up. She was lifted out of her desk, put on the ground, then handcuffed.

You're acting like the officer just walked up to her and clocked her in the face.

Her troubled home situation is irrelevant, nor was the officer aware of it (nor did he have to be).

When someone is creating a disruption and won't leave, you need to use physical force to remove them. Not a hard concept to grasp.

[ToasterOven]

Druff going full retard in this thread.

[Lord of the Fraud]

If I can't presume her parents can be called then you can't presume she has form for this type of behaviour.

IF she was just having a very bad day and had no previous..... Would that much force still be justifiable? Because you're presuming a lot of things.

She's in foster care because her mother recently died. As good a reason as any to beat up a high schooler.

Let's be honest. If you was shown the video then asked what you thought Druff would think? You would bet everything you own on him saying it was totally justifiable.

No heart whatsoever. Just a swinging brick.

[Dan Druff]

Still waiting for the critics to give a good suggestion how to handle this.

All we have so far is "call the parents", which isn't a viable solution for reasons I already stated.

You have to use force to remove someone who will not move. Period.

This had to get physical in some way. For some reason a lot of people don't want to accept this, and feel that the girl should have been able to basically create a long standoff and ruin everyone else's right to an education while she does.

Sorry, life shouldn't work that way. If you are disrupting something and will not leave, the police should have a right to forcibly remove you.

im sure the class proceeded normally and the children really learned a lot after she was removed.

again druff, no one disagrees that she can and most likely should have been removed. the issue is the proper amount force required to do so for a trained 240 lb officer to remove a 14 yr old girl from her desk/classroom, and the technical application of that force.

deputy dipshit obviously didnt follow proper procedures as the sheriff has thrown him under the bus and he has been fired. but yes im sure this is all a leftwing conspiracy to start a race war against white police.

It's not a conspiracy. Stop putting words in my mouth. It's the media playing up on the "shocking" situation in order to get ratings, and they are counting on this because of the consistent anti-police rhetoric we keep hearing in 2015. This is just using existing flames to cook what they have brought to the table.

The deputy could have used a bit less force to remove her, but I don't find the amount used to be outrageous. I don't find myself with any sympathy for people like this, provided the response to them isn't too over-the-top. And by over-the-top, I mean shooting her, severely beating her, or anything else that was likely to cause extreme injury. A rough removal is not over-the-top, and in fact was deserved given what crap she was pulling there.

You reap what you sow.

If we are going to focus on police abuse, we should be shining the light on bullshit practices aimed at law-abiding citizens, such as civil forfeiture traffic stops.

Tired of seeing criminals and disruptive assholes playing victim.

[SrslySirius]

It's not that difficult to pull a 14 year old girl out of a desk and calmly remove her from the room, especially if you're jacked like this cop. Shoving the desk over and throwing her to the ground is excessive and unnecessary.

If it gets your dick hard to see an insolent teenager get a reality check, fair enough I guess. Me, I'd rather see it handled a little more professionally.

[RealTalk]

solid read

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Yes, lots of "quiet" teenagers are asked to leave class and subsequently refuse to do so.

Sounds legit.

lol so we have your imaginary scenario of what "probably" happened, and then when an account from a person who was actually there...druff obv right lol

[Dan Druff]

She's in foster care because her mother recently died. As good a reason as any to beat up a high schooler.

Let's be honest. If you was shown the video then asked what you thought Druff would think? You would bet everything you own on him saying it was totally justifiable.

No heart whatsoever. Just a swinging brick.

I don't understand your point. So you're saying that you know my social and political viewpoints after observing me here for over 14,000 posts and 3 1/2 years? Good job, I guess.

I can also predict your reaction to any news story about America. As can just about anyone else here. But that doesn't really say anything besides the fact that your resentment for America's establishment is well known.

[4Dragons]

She's in foster care because her mother recently died. As good a reason as any to beat up a high schooler.

Nobody was beaten up. She was lifted out of her desk, put on the ground, then handcuffed.

You're acting like the officer just walked up to her and clocked her in the face.

Her troubled home situation is irrelevant, nor was the officer aware of it (nor did he have to be).

When someone is creating a disruption and won't leave, you need to use physical force to remove them. Not a hard concept to grasp.

I like how it's not ok to beat up on retards, unless a cop does it? You don't see that as a little hypocritical? Being body slammed on a cement floor is no joke, i'm actually surprised her head didn't open.

[Dan Druff]

Yes, lots of "quiet" teenagers are asked to leave class and subsequently refuse to do so.

Sounds legit.

lol so we have your imaginary scenario of what "probably" happened, and then when an account from a person who was actually there...druff obv right lol

What are you saying here?

That this was a quiet girl who shouldn't have been removed in the first place?

This "firsthand" account makes no sense, unless the girl was quiet every day and just flipped out on the day this happened.

Either way, it doesn't matter. If someone creates a disturbance and won't leave when asked (even by police), then a rough forcible removal is their fault, not the cop's fault.

Perhaps this cop is overaggressive and has his own issues, but this girl isn't a victim.

[dwai]

lol@druff even thinking this is remotely normal and justified

[simply1]

Still waiting for the critics to give a good suggestion how to handle this.

All we have so far is "call the parents", which isn't a viable solution for reasons I already stated.

You have to use force to remove someone who will not move. Period.

This had to get physical in some way. For some reason a lot of people don't want to accept this, and feel that the girl should have been able to basically create a long standoff and ruin everyone else's right to an education while she does.

Sorry, life shouldn't work that way. If you are disrupting something and will not leave, the police should have a right to forcibly remove you.

I'm normally inclined to agree with your reasoning skills but I just think you're way off here Druff. Given what we can see on the video and the little we know about the back story picking her up, body slamming her and throwing her across the room did not at all seem necessary. Given his size and strength he needed about 5% of that effort to get the job done.

And ya, as a father of three (two teenagers) and the son of a cop I have some insight.

Agree some force was probably needed but this was beyond overkill.

I don't need to beat the shit out of my kids to ensure they have the right amount of fear of their Dad.

Sorry, but you're way off-base on this one.

[dwai]

i bet druff is the type to let the police walk all over him in situations, search his car. lololol protect your rights jewboy

[Dan Druff]

Nobody was beaten up. She was lifted out of her desk, put on the ground, then handcuffed.

You're acting like the officer just walked up to her and clocked her in the face.

Her troubled home situation is irrelevant, nor was the officer aware of it (nor did he have to be).

When someone is creating a disruption and won't leave, you need to use physical force to remove them. Not a hard concept to grasp.

I like how it's not ok to beat up on retards, unless a cop does it? You don't see that as a little hypocritical? Being body slammed on a cement floor is no joke, i'm actually surprised her head didn't open.

Come on. She wasn't body slammed. Watch the video again.

He lifted her up, and then put her on the ground, without her body being above desk level. He did not "body slam" her in any way, and in fact if you watch the first motion closely, you can already see her struggling. Then you can see her foot going up trying to kick him, at which point he grabs her and throws her to the other side of the room (again, not high up, but more to get her out of the way of everyone else). That's where she was in most danger of getting injured, but it's pretty clear she was already fighting him at this point.

You're making it sound like he lifted her 6 feet in the air and slammed her on the floor like Hulk Hogan did to Roddy Piper.

[Dan Druff]

i bet druff is the type to let the police walk all over him in situations, search his car. lololol protect your rights jewboy

If I have nothing to hide, I will let them search my car. I don't have to, but if it will diffuse a situation quicker, yes I would allow it.

Other than that, I always try to keep any contact with police safe and non-threatening. If I have any complaints, I will make them later through a legal process.

Fighting with police is not "protecting" anything, and will just worsen the situation.

[Dan Druff]

I'm not even saying that the cop handled it perfectly. He didn't. He could have used less force to get her out, though I think it would have escalated from that point anyway, given the way she was acting.

But this wasn't racism, and the girl wasn't a victim. She doesn't deserve an ounce of sympathy here.