LOL Canada: Trudeau to stop bombing ISIS

[Dan Druff]

This isn't nation building. That accusation held merit for the Iraq invasion, but not for bombing missions against terrorist groups.

If we let the countries listed above handle ISIS, nothing will get done. This isn't a matter of getting involved in other nations' affairs. ISIS is a sworn enemy of the United States. We don't need to wait for another 9/11-sized disaster (or worse) before taking them seriously.

"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

[sonatine]

Yeah not to sound hawkish but what happens in the middle east wont stay in the middle east.

[Crowe Diddly]

"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

[Baron Von Strucker]

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

Since we have a time machin..: how about going to were it all presumably started when Sir Winston Churhill gifted the Jews Israel? Or did that really not happen??

[Dan Druff]

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

[ToasterOven]

"nothing will get done" is pretty lol. What happened to Republicans?

What will happen is these groups will kill each other, occupy each others attention and time, and not worry so much about us. Otherwise known as successful foreign policy throughout the history of the USA.

You can't say that you honestly believe that if we ignore the ISIS problem it will go away.

If you could go back to the 1990s and dictate foreign policy, how would you handle al Qaeda?

No, but Republicans are talking about troops in that fight. Did they learn nothing from the last decade? Of course, I know the answer, they didn't learn and don't care.

Giving logistical help and even air cover is fine. ISIS sucks, but Turkey, Saudi, Iran all have military assets that can fight ISIS on the ground. Any army we put in the middle east creates as much of a problem as it can possibly solve.

And Crowe had it right. Don't even arm al queda in Afganistan to begin with.

Republicans should have the same theory about terrorists that they do with mass shootings. If a shooter/terrorist is intent on doing harm, it's terrible, but you can't do anything about it. That's the price of freedom. Up to now, the solution has been spend 100's of billions of dollars a year.

[Crowe Diddly]

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

The Boston Marathon bombing doesn't count?

So, 2 years.

[Lord of the Fraud]

What's going on with ISIS is complete fucking bullshit.


Those fuckers are armed to the teeth with American weapons... weapons that were 'sold' to the Iraqi army after a bullshit war which was designed partly to enrich the companies who made this weaponry.... All paid for using the natural wealth that is Iraqi oil.


ISIS only came to rise in the first place because of that bullshit war. And I'll say it again - it was a war that was partly designed to make certain American companies with close ties to American politicians very, very rich.


So privately, i can see the new Canadian PM concluding that his lovable neighbors should be cleaning up their own fucking mess. Especially considering they're the one's who created AND profited from this whole mess.


Also, the Canadian PM won a large majority on the premise that the Canadian military would pull back in the Middle East.


He has a mandate for this.

[Krypt]

If we're smart, we'll let IRAN take out ISIS.

[limitles]

Give peace a chance man.......

[thesparten]

What's going on with ISIS is complete fucking bullshit.


Those fuckers are armed to the teeth with American weapons... weapons that were 'sold' to the Iraqi army after a bullshit war which was designed partly to enrich the companies who made this weaponry.... All paid for using the natural wealth that is Iraqi oil.


ISIS only came to rise in the first place because of that bullshit war. And I'll say it again - it was a war that was partly designed to make certain American companies with close ties to American politicians very, very rich.


So privately, i can see the new Canadian PM concluding that his lovable neighbors should be cleaning up their own fucking mess. Especially considering they're the one's who created AND profited from this whole mess.


Also, the Canadian PM won a large majority on the premise that the Canadian military would pull back in the Middle East.


He has a mandate for this.

Unlike l.o.t.f... I can conclude much of this is accurate, albeit no all..

That just show th he ugly group think of the left. They are not capable of understanding anything without an ideological.filter...or they rationalize there euthanasia and Margaret sanger, Fabian society mindsets.. they will lie to u for what they believe to be the greater good.. they are not mentally stable enouph to agree with a conservative on anything..

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[DJ_Chaps]

lol at worthless canadians being like BRO WE HAD THAT ONE GOOD SNIPER BRO canada you are a pussy nation who cant afford fighter pilots but you dine out on like 11 year old afghan stories

Can you please do PFA a favor and re-enroll in kindergarten? Then read a fucking book. Can't afford fighter pilots.... god damn you are a fucking mongoloid.

[DJ_Chaps]

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

Thank to yankee neocon support.

[MumblesBadly]

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

Druff, 9/11 happened because the FBI was horribly mismanaged domestic investigations from terrorism suspects., while the CIA also ducked up. In case you missed the reporting of this fact from about a dozen years ago, read it and weep over the deadly incompetence.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/24/us...ia-lapses.html

[MumblesBadly]

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

Also, watch this Frontline report from 2002. It discusses how one of its special agents, who was a maverick and sidelined by the bureaucratic idiots running the FBI's terrorism unit, was on the trail of Al Qaeda, and warned about it, but was ignored and left the agency due to a minor security lapse that ruined his FBI career. Again, bureaucratic incompetence allowed 9/11, not a failure to be more militaristic.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

[hongkonger]

It's not about money.

It's about a crippling fear of collateral damage, so they are backing off of the bombing and letting other countries take the blame if anything bad happens (while still reaping the benefits if the other countries manage to weaken ISIS via these bombings).

This strategy was used in the 1990s against Osama bin Laden -- basically to ignore him and engage him very minimally, and hope he'll go away. You see how that worked out.

He masterminded a plot that killed 3,000 Canadians?

[hongkonger]

Druff I think you're taking Trudeau's quote out of context. We already discussed this in the election thread.

Canada will do so in a responsible way, IE not spending m/billions of dollars.

We will sit back and let others fight the battle and provide support along the way. This is how Canada should operate, we are not a military power by any means.

"... in a responsible way" seems to mean "We will let everyone else spend the money, bear the brunt of civilian death controversies, while we enjoy the same benefits from their efforts as if we were involved."

I think that's bullshit. It's like a class group project where one guy says, "You know, I'll sit this one out, but I support the work you guys are doing, and I'm sure you'll get all of us a good grade!"

It is understandable that Canada doesn't have the military that the US does, but they should at least contribute their fair share, unless they are philosophically opposed to the bombing.

And/or unless Canadians don't want their military involved in it, which by all indications they mostly don't.

[hongkonger]

If the time machine is still available, why not just go back to the 80s and not arm the mujahideen and all the Islamic militants in the first place?

I knew someone would say this.

That's a different discussion for a different time.

I'm trying to demonstrate that we have a recent history (2001) example of a horrible consequence to our country which occurred largely due to ignoring an obvious and growing terror group.

We also have a 14-years-running streak of zero organized terror attacks against the US, which is pretty amazing given our large population, expansive land, and the list of angry Islamic fundamentalists who hate us.

This is in part thanks to the change in policy where we keep going after the terror groups and leave them on the defensive, rather than unmolested where they can train fighters and suicide bombers out in the open.

We also have a decades long streak of 10K+ people being murdered every year, mostly by guns, and a roughly 2-decade long streak of weekly random mass shootings by young white male losers. This is a MUCH more likely cause of violent death for Americans, and it is a problem that is easily solved, and to solve it would cost nearly nothing compared to how much the US spends on the Pentagon/intelligence/surveillance complex, with zero collateral damage and without generating more hatred of us.