Gun Laws

[Muck Ficon]

So it's better to have criminals with guns than law abiding citizens....yeah that makes sense.

Lots of 'law abiding' citizens, turn out to be criminals and murders.


What is your point?

You of all people to comment on this lol.

[BCR]

These mass shootings are more an indictment of our pathetic mental health care system than anything else. More likely to be some dislusioned white kid. The vast majority of other murders are gang/poverty related.

The conceal and carry crowd are largely irrelevant. I don't think they move the needle either way to any significant degree preventing or causing murders. Basically a wash.

As far as guns in America, that genie is never getting put back in the bottle. It would take 150 years, and by then, society is more likely to change than legislation. America has less murders per capita than it did 50 years ago. It's never been safer post Industrialized Revolution despite media coverage. Simply Google the numbers and it's pretty staggering the drop. We have more guns than people in the country. That takes a long time to walk back, even if the will was there, which it isn't.

It's like skin cancer in the desert or pollution in China. If you live here, it's just part of the equation.

[Prime]

These mass shootings are more an indictment of our pathetic mental health care system than anything else. More likely to be some dislusioned white kid. The vast majority of other murders are gang/poverty related.

The conceal and carry crowd are largely irrelevant. I don't think they move the needle either way to any significant degree preventing or causing murders. Basically a wash.

As far as guns in America, that genie is never getting put back in the bottle. It would take 150 years, and by then, society is more likely to change than legislation. America has less murders per capita than it did 50 years ago. It's never been safer post Industrialized Revolution despite media coverage. Simply Google the numbers and it's pretty staggering the drop. We have more guns than people in the country. That takes a long time to walk back, even if the will was there, which it isn't.

It's like skin cancer in the desert or pollution in China. If you live here, it's just part of the equation.

There are a shitload of dislusioned white kids over here as well..When they snap they might be able to stab a couple of people.

20 years ago nobody thought getting rid of our guns would stop shootings either.

It basically sounds like its just accepted as part of every day life over there and something that can never be fixed.

[garrett]

Lots of 'law abiding' citizens, turn out to be criminals and murders.


What is your point?

You of all people to comment on this lol.

By definition that Chattanooga shooter, would probably be described as a 'law abiding' gun owner. no?

[Muck Ficon]

These mass shootings are more an indictment of our pathetic mental health care system than anything else. More likely to be some dislusioned white kid. The vast majority of other murders are gang/poverty related.

The conceal and carry crowd are largely irrelevant. I don't think they move the needle either way to any significant degree preventing or causing murders. Basically a wash.

As far as guns in America, that genie is never getting put back in the bottle. It would take 150 years, and by then, society is more likely to change than legislation. America has less murders per capita than it did 50 years ago. It's never been safer post Industrialized Revolution despite media coverage. Simply Google the numbers and it's pretty staggering the drop. We have more guns than people in the country. That takes a long time to walk back, even if the will was there, which it isn't.

It's like skin cancer in the desert or pollution in China. If you live here, it's just part of the equation.

There are a shitload of dislusioned white kids over here as well..When they snap they might be able to stab a couple of people.

20 years ago nobody thought getting rid of our guns would stop shootings either.

It basically sounds like its just accepted as part of every day life over there and something that can never be fixed.

Smaller population makes it easier to control. The US has over 10 times the population of Australia.

[Prime]

There are a shitload of dislusioned white kids over here as well..When they snap they might be able to stab a couple of people.

20 years ago nobody thought getting rid of our guns would stop shootings either.

It basically sounds like its just accepted as part of every day life over there and something that can never be fixed.

Smaller population makes it easier to control. The US has over 10 times the population of Australia.

750 million people live in europe. What are the gun death stats there?

[limitles]

These mass shootings are more an indictment of our pathetic mental health care system than anything else. More likely to be some dislusioned white kid. The vast majority of other murders are gang/poverty related. AGREED

As far as guns in America, that genie is never getting put back in the bottle. It would take 150 years, and by then, society is more likely to change than legislation. America has less murders per capita than it did 50 years ago. It's never been safer post Industrialized Revolution despite media coverage. Simply Google the numbers and it's pretty staggering the drop. We have more guns than people in the country. That takes a long time to walk back, even if the will was there, which it isn't.

Forget the right to bear arms angle for a minute and think about these mass shootings.
Yes the person carrying out such an act is mentally unstable. But the chances of anyone killing a number of people within minutes is drastically reduced there isn't a weapon that allows them to do so. With out these killing machines, killing a group single handedly is a long sh
You can argue that there are alternative ways of committing mass murder but it's not as easy as you might think. People can make bombs but buying a killing machine at your local hardware store and planning an attack is a much easier option. Think grocery shopping while hungry.....impulse buying.

Re: the constitution, it was written some time ago, when the nation had just fought for independence and there was no certainty future challenges might arise. And a gun at that time did not include the killing machines available today.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." That doesn't exactly fit, but in the same vein, doing nothing about a problem will not correct it.

As far as stats go, In 1996 the NRA successfully lobbied Congress to stop funding the CDC’s research on gun violence. This led to reducing the CDC’s funding of gun violence by the exact dollar amount that had been spent the previous year.
The legislation said.”None of the funds made available for injury, prevention and control at the CDC may be used to advocate gun control. In 2012, this was expanded to include all health and human service agencies.”

Independent scientic studies were effectively stopped for several years.

[thesparten]

Gun laws only affect the law abiding like pot laws..

If a sick fuck wants one, he will get one..

Arguing anything else is a false argument.. And only perpertarates an ideology which uses these instances as a false rational..

The media rarely portrays the actually numbers, fact and the reasoning behind shooting..

You can no longer argue these horrific events are portrayed by the media without ideologicle INTENT..

There is rarely if ever a mainstream report that shows how many lives were saved by "almost" victims who pulled there weapon..that number is in thousands, hmmm??

The current government goes out of its way to appease other cultures but traditional American culture is attacked by design and insidious coordination with insidious INTENT buy elites who are well armed..

Only a fool would think anything else, really dude

[limitles]

First you have to account for the fact that the U.S. Reports its murder rate including suicide and most every other country excludes suicide from their murder rate. That drops the number of "murders" from like 14,000 to about 6,000.

Then there is one distinct difference between America and most comparable countries (Western Europe and Australia), the number of black people in the U.S. Black people are about 15% of the population but they commit between 50%-55% of all murder.

Murder in America isn't a gun problem it's a race and gang problem.

A 1992 CDC study showed that if you had a gun in the home there was 5 times greater chance of suicide, A similar study in 2003 showed access to a gun made someone 3 times more likely to commit suicide than without. 80-90% of suicide attempts with guns are successful.

What percentage of mass shootings/killings are attributed to non whites?

[shortbuspoker]

So it's better to have criminals with guns than law abiding citizens....yeah that makes sense.

Can you explain to me why the gun deaths over here have reduced significantly since our gun buy back scheme? It wasnt the crooks selling back their guns...

20 years later we don't have innocent people getting shot by criminals with guns.

Possibly because when an armed criminal confronts an unarmed victim said victim gives them whatever they want. You are correct in the sense that a criminal is far less likely to shoot a robbery victim when there is little to no chance that the victim has a gun.

[shortbuspoker]

What percentage of mass shootings/killings are attributed to non whites?

To that end what is worse, a white guy killing 10 people all at once every 6 months or 10 black people being killed one at a time every week in Chicago?

The number ten is of course hyperbole to emphasize a point.

[limitles]

Gun laws only affect the law abiding like pot laws..

If a sick fuck wants one, he will get one..

Arguing anything else is a false argument.. And only perpertarates an ideology which uses these instances as a false rational..

The media rarely portrays the actually numbers, fact and the reasoning behind shooting..

You can no longer argue these horrific events are portrayed by the media without ideologicle INTENT..

There is rarely if ever a mainstream report that shows how many lives were saved by "almost" victims who pulled there weapon..that number is in thousands, hmmm??

The current government goes out of its way to appease other cultures but traditional American culture is attacked by design and insidious coordination with insidious INTENT buy elites who are well armed..

Only a fool would think anything else, really dude

Gun laws only affect the law abiding? I'd be surprised to hear that the majority of "mass shooters", NPI, had lengthy criminal records if any. So until their sick deeds were accomplished, they were considered law abiding citizens.

Gun laws vary between being considered harsh or lax. So for instance, if using a gun while committing a crime was punishable by burning at the stake you might expect a decrease in the number of gun related incidences.

The statement regarding the media is a premise which I'll leave to you to prove.

[limitles]

What percentage of mass shootings/killings are attributed to non whites?

To that end what is worse, a white guy killing 10 people all at once every 6 months or 10 black people being killed one at a time every week in Chicago?

The number ten is of course hyperbole to emphasize a point.

Red Herring. The fact that weapons of mass destruction are obtained with relative ease is the the issue.
I was responding to a throw away stat from A. Brown re: % of murders committed by a certain race of people albeit against their own in most cases.

[lol wow]

i feel like if les could actually attract a woman hed end up being a cuck to a strong black man

[lol wow]

also lol at australians talking shit we get it your a faggy desert island thats good at at cricket and ur immigration problem is boats of malaysian people washing up and you make people quarantine their dogs for like 5 months cuz you people are bitches

[abrown83]

Mass Murder is a pop culture phenomenon in the U.S. people do it because they know they will get attention. Also I don't remember the last mass murder where it didn't come out the person was mentally ill.

Now when looking at the murder rate in the U.S. You have to look at a lot of factors.

First you have to account for the fact that the U.S. Reports its murder rate including suicide and most every other country excludes suicide from their murder rate. That drops the number of "murders" from like 14,000 to about 6,000.

Then there is one distinct difference between America and most comparable countries (Western Europe and Australia), the number of black people in the U.S. Black people are about 15% of the population but they commit between 50%-55% of all murder.

FBI reports White people killed about 2700 people in the U.S. But the reporting in the U.S. is funny and 700 of those murders were committed by Hispanics (mostly Mexicans). So that means White people in the U.S. killed about 2,000 people.

There are about 200 million white people in America and that means White people in America commit murder at about 1 per every 100,000 inhabitants in line with Australia and lower than pretty much every European country.

This while 41% of white people own a gun in the U.S.

Murder in America isn't a gun problem it's a race and gang problem.

Think again about it being due to race, David Duke. If similar figures were calculated for the period of alcohol Prohibition, the genius statistician would be blaming the violence on Jews, the Irish, and especially the Italians, all of whom are considered "white" by modern racial metrics.

I think this is attempt to basically say I don't like black people so I am turning the numbers.

That couldn't be farther from the truth.

You say it is a gang and drug problem regardless of race, except that Hispanics bring the drugs into the country and drive the entire drug trade in America and they kill people at a much lower rate.

Also look at comparable homicide rates between Africa as a whole and the United States African American population, you will find some strikingly similar numbers.

Then you could look at poverty as being a factor into actions, but the problem is there are millions of white people living in deep poverty as well, and guess what they don't kill each other at similar rates.

It is absolutely a cultural/race problem.

The problem is the general lack of respect for human life in the Black community might very well go back to being slaves and not be treated like people.

[4Dragons]

So it's better to have criminals with guns than law abiding citizens....yeah that makes sense.

Can you explain to me why the gun deaths over here have reduced significantly since our gun buy back scheme? It wasnt the crooks selling back their guns...

20 years later we don't have innocent people getting shot by criminals with guns.

People have guns here so we don't ever suffer what happened in Mao's China or Stalin's Russia. That you think that shit like that can't ever happen again is your own goddamn problem.

[limitles]

i feel like if les could actually attract a woman hed end up being a cuck to a strong black man

lol weeeeeeeeeee!

[ToasterOven]

Americans have decided on guns. Mass shootings are just part of the culture. They are like wild fires, tornadoes and hurricanes, just part of the environment.

We said the same shit in the last mass shooting thread.

[anonamoose]

People, not guns, were also the problem in australia, as well as everywhere else in the world.

When you take guns away from people this is what happens.

Yeah but you got to understand in that chart that people in the United States would rather pretend that their guns give them the reduced chance that they'll be one of those 600 rather than think that ok 400 less gun murders a year but now what happens if I'm one of the unlucky 200! I can't possibly protect myself!

What a lot of people also don't like to bring up is the fact that Mexico drug lords receive most of their weapons via legal purchase in the United States, but you know no one ever bothers to bring that up because it means nothing it's just Mexico. It's not like those cartels are harming people in the United States in any way.