Palms is banning all poker players from blackjack games

[Sitting Out]

I assume this is being done by facial recognition, i.e., made famous through tv appearances. Poker players don't exactly wear a sign "I play poker."

The only plausible reason might be is that high rolling poker players would tend not to spew off their BR based on their poker experience, which in turn would cause high variances that a casino doesn't wish to incur. That's a stretch though.

[Bootsy Collins]

Next they will ban Allen Kessler from even stepping foot on the property.

[PLOL]

I assume this is being done by facial recognition, i.e., made famous through tv appearances. Poker players don't exactly wear a sign "I play poker."

I'm not sure if you're leveling, or just incredibly retarded.

[ErickAA]

Druff,

Do you know, does the Palms have a particularly favorable set up for a +EV player they are particularly worried about being exploited? Like single deck with deep penetration or something like that? Either way, it is obviously LOL to blanket ban poker players, but do they have a set-up where they need to be legitimately concerned about giving away too much EV to smart players?

[Dan Druff]

Druff,

Do you know, does the Palms have a particularly favorable set up for a +EV player they are particularly worried about being exploited? Like single deck with deep penetration or something like that? Either way, it is obviously LOL to blanket ban poker players, but do they have a set-up where they need to be legitimately concerned about giving away too much EV to smart players?

Haven't been in there for awhile.

Their double deck game was beatable, but not especially great. It didn't seem to have much heat from the pit staff, which was a plus.

I ran really bad there, which kinda made me lose my enthusiasm for playing there (dumb reason, but it's the truth.) Also, as I said, there was nothing special about the conditions.

I can't stress enough that there are VERY FEW poker players who can play a +EV blackjack game. Many know the basics of card counting, but I've observed so many leaks and mistakes that it's hilarious that they actually think they're playing a positive expectation strategy.

As a rule of thumb, when you think about a poker player at blackjack, ask yourself, "Does this player seem like a Bill Chen math type?" If the answer is yes, he's probably a winning player. If the answer is no or "probably not", then it's almost 100% that he's a -EV player. The only real exception that I remember is Hollywood Dave, but that's because he was a blackjack player before he was a poker player.

[Dan Druff]

I should also point out that, in general, casinos LOVE what I refer to as "pseudo advantage players".

The guy in this article is a pseudo advantage player.

The card counter with enough leaks or tilt problems to make him -EV is a pseudo advantage player.

People with ridiculous "betting systems" (which aren't properly attached to a mathematically correct strategy) are pseudo advantage players.

Simply put, a pseudo advantage player is someone who wrongly thinks he's found an edge to turn the tables on the casino, but in reality is playing a -EV game.

Casinos love this because these players will often keep gambling until their entire bankroll is shot, convinced that the long run will make them winners.

Pseudo advantage players are often quite arrogant, and they look down on people like me who get kicked out of casinos for card counting. They're convinced that their superior cover stories and acting skills are keeping them in the game.

[Belly Buster]

People with ridiculous "betting systems" (which aren't properly attached to a mathematically correct strategy) are pseudo advantage players.

Simply put, a pseudo advantage player is someone who wrongly thinks he's found an edge to turn the tables on the casino, but in reality is playing a -EV game.

Casinos love this because these players will often keep gambling until their entire bankroll is shot, convinced that the long run will make them winners.

Perhaps someone could give an example of a poker player who, maybe recently, has fallen victim to such a strategy?

[Sitting Out]

I assume this is being done by facial recognition, i.e., made famous through tv appearances. Poker players don't exactly wear a sign "I play poker."

I'm not sure if you're leveling, or just incredibly retarded.

not sure why you need to be so hostile with such an offensive remark (which btw adds nothing to the subject at hand other than providing an excuse for you to project a superior than thou attitude)

[Crowe Diddly]

I'm not sure if you're leveling, or just incredibly retarded.

not sure why you need to be so hostile with such an offensive remark (which btw adds nothing to the subject at hand other than providing an excuse for you to project a superior than thou attitude)

Sooooo, we're going with incredibly retarded I guess?

:P

[Steve-O]

not sure why you need to be so hostile with such an offensive remark (which btw adds nothing to the subject at hand other than providing an excuse for you to project a superior than thou attitude)

Sooooo, we're going with incredibly retarded I guess?

:P

I think he is implying that they probably just check their comp cards to see where the points are coming from

[Sitting Out]

Sooooo, we're going with incredibly retarded I guess?

:P

I'll go along with the retardation angle--I admit I don't know diddly about how casinos operate :d

[Prime]

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The Vegas Playboy Club is closing with the change in the ownership of the Palms. A new Vegas location will be announced shortly.

change of ownership might have something to do with it