Quote Originally Posted by garrett View Post
Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

I have to agree with anonamoose that you should have shoved in.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) You're already a few levels in and have less than starting stack. So you can't use the argument of, "I already have plenty of chips, there's no point to throw them away in what could be a race or KK/AA situation".

2) You don't have enough chips to play the hand through postflop, unless the board is terrible and you end up folding. And yet you won't get most action postflop unless you're either outflopped (or already behind KK/AA), or facing a hand like 99/TT/JJ (which would have called your preflop shove anyway). So all you're doing by flatting there is robbing yourself of postflop value while letting hands behind you catch up. It's not like you would have been able to fold to a shove on a 883 board.

3) You are well behind the chip average (especially after calling 1200 and not winning), so you might as well get it in and hope to win a race or already be ahead (or perhaps pick up the pot uncontested if he folds to your shove). Simply put, you need to win chips at this point.


Note that I defended your QT/AQ bustout hand, and 100% would have done the same as you in that spot.

This is just one of those times you shove it in with your QQ, hope you're not facing AA/KK, and hope you don't get outflopped otherwise. It's definitely not a lock to win by any means, but you have to win hands like that if you want to have a shot at even cashing, let alone hitting a big score.

Or, simply put, you're always 4-bet-shoving QQ in a non-Main-Event, non-Extended-Play WSOP tournament if you or your opponent has a stack well below average.
I was check raising thin, because I was actually tryign to get him off marginal hands, because most players in a WSOP 1k, would think, I am not c/r there without something better then there marginal holdings/ When he reraises, I know he doesn't have 1010/QQ (bc I have Q10) I can beat every AK AJ, A<9, and bluffs.

Its marginal, but yea I was playing for everything. Should I nit it up because I Might only get 1 chance at a WSOP event, I didnt ever think that, I know how to play poker and that was where I should be getting it in, over large sample size!
Do you understand what the purpose of betting is? You bet for value, you bet to make people pay to draw, or you bet to get an opponent off a better hand. You should in no instance ever be betting to get someone to FOLD a marginal hand that is worse than yours. You want to get paid by the marginal hand not lose value by making it fold. Anyway, we analyzed the hell out of this hand. This hand would have gone different and you'd still be in 90% of the time if you didn't totally nit up your QQ.