Druff on that next level shit where dupes are only made obvious if they are a dupe of a dupe.
I'm so 2000 and late when a druff nigga pisses himself.
#fergalicious
Druff on that next level shit where dupes are only made obvious if they are a dupe of a dupe.
I'm so 2000 and late when a druff nigga pisses himself.
#fergalicious
im just saying, this site appears to move the goal posts for 'scammer' in ways that make me really uncomfortable.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
like if marty had sex with winnie because he was real into winnie and winnie wanted it, hes a dogfucker.
if marty had sex with winnie because he was drunk and lonely, hes still a dogfucker.
so this whole 'garret isnt a scammer because hes a simpleton' tangent really doesnt fly for me.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
There is so much fuzzy thinking in this thread I hardly know where to begin...
1) Garrett wouldn't risk getting banned from PFA because he posts here a lot and has been around a while:
Except he's already done this on other forums. I don't know how much he posted on the other forums, or how long he was around, but he got banned from them for just this kind of shady shit. So he's no stranger to being a poster and then 86'd. There are plenty of other poker forums if he got kicked off this one. Some where they might not even know his backstory and troll him relentlessly...
2) It was only 50.00, if this was an attempt to roll, it would've been more, like thousands of dollars:
Is there anyone on this site that would of played garrett for thousands of dollars? I mean really, maybe he could of got the amount up to 100 (or at least 63) but that's about it.
3) He's just dumb, not shady. But then he's also smart, because he's smart enough to know he wouldn't get the money:
First off great contrary thinking here... I'm not in the business of mind policing people, and I can't read thoughts. I honestly don't care what anyone thinks when doing anything. What you think is your business. What you do and say however, are up for scrutiny. He said the money was escrowed, it wasn't. He said he had backers, he didn't. He entered into a match on condition on escrow, when the money hadn't been escrowed. Then after the match, HE ASKED FOR THE MONEY.
4) There was no victim, so there was no scam:
So because someone failed at pulling something off he wasn't scamming? I guess every guy who said no to PSUmike at the airport proves that he's not a scammer. Can you believe they charge people for attempted murder? I mean where's the victim!
Look, in the end, I can't say for sure whether or not garrett would of payed if he lost, no one can. I have never claimed to know what he would have done. All I can say is that he lied about posting money for a match, then lied about why, then played the match under false pretenses. One would almost say, fraudulent pretenses, which, related to a game of poker. So he committed a poker fraud, on site called poker FUCKING fraud alert. That's my point, I've made it, Druff made his ruling, and that's the last I'll ever say on the subject.
Originally Posted by Daredevil
Shut up Daredevil
dont let him hurt you daredevil.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
I like everything you said except, please, type "would have". Its not Would Of. Spelled Would've.
I didn't say garrett needed to play for thousands of dollars. But if this were an attempted freeroll, you would think he would have done something for at least $200. You know... a sum of money which is more substantial than $50, but not so high to where everyone would immediately panic and throw up a red flag. The upside is just way too low here, even for garrett.
There's no way to tell for sure, but this is how I think it went down in garrett's head:
"Fuck these assholes on PFA! None of them are anywhere near the world class player I am! I bet they would stop talking shit to me if I own them heads up!"
"Oh wow, adamantium is ready to play me! Sweet! I'm gonna make this guy look soooo stupid! Good thing I have plenty of money on my DFS account. I'll just hit a withdrawal into Paypal and ship it to Druff."
<garrett accepts the match with adamantium>
<requests cashout from DFS site>
<cashout is delayed>
"FUCK! I can't get my money as fast as I thought! Hmmm... well, if I tell them what's happening, everyone will laugh at me for being a broke fuck, because they don't understand everything I've been through. And I do have the money! And I am going to send it to Druff, as soon as I get it! Ummm.... I know! I'll say that I have a backer and that my backer is sending the money to Druff. I'll send all the proof to Druff about my withdrawal problems, and surely he will see I'm telling the truth and trust that I was going to pay even after I lost."
<beats adamantium in the match>
"YES! I am fucking world class like I thought! Well, now I finally have the money, so I'll ship it to Druff as a formality so he can pay me. In fact, I'll ship a little bit more than $50 to prove I am not low on money. Ummm.. $63, yeah that will work."
respectfully, the more appropriate narrative is:I didn't say garrett needed to play for thousands of dollars. But if this were an attempted freeroll, you would think he would have done something for at least $200. You know... a sum of money which is more substantial than $50, but not so high to where everyone would immediately panic and throw up a red flag. The upside is just way too low here, even for garrett.
There's no way to tell for sure, but this is how I think it went down in garrett's head:
"Fuck these assholes on PFA! None of them are anywhere near the world class player I am! I bet they would stop talking shit to me if I own them heads up!"
"Oh wow, adamantium is ready to play me! Sweet! I'm gonna make this guy look soooo stupid! Good thing I have plenty of money on my DFS account. I'll just hit a withdrawal into Paypal and ship it to Druff."
<garrett accepts the match with adamantium>
<requests cashout from DFS site>
<cashout is delayed>
"FUCK! I can't get my money as fast as I thought! Hmmm... well, if I tell them what's happening, everyone will laugh at me for being a broke fuck, because they don't understand everything I've been through. And I do have the money! And I am going to send it to Druff, as soon as I get it! Ummm.... I know! I'll say that I have a backer and that my backer is sending the money to Druff. I'll send all the proof to Druff about my withdrawal problems, and surely he will see I'm telling the truth and trust that I was going to pay even after I lost."
<beats adamantium in the match>
"YES! I am fucking world class like I thought! Well, now I finally have the money, so I'll ship it to Druff as a formality so he can pay me. In fact, I'll ship a little bit more than $50 to prove I am not low on money. Ummm.. $63, yeah that will work."
IM SO FUCKING BLAZED, OMG.. IM GOING TO BEAT THIS CLOWN SO IT DOESNT MATTER IF I SHIP OR NOT, LETS FUCKING ROLL. "YEAH I SHIPPED, I GOT BACKERS, WHATEVER LETS PLAY."
and that's scamming.
"Birds born in a cage think flying is an illness." - Alejandro Jodorowsky
"America is not so much a nightmare as a non-dream. The American non-dream is precisely a move to wipe the dream out of existence. The dream is a spontaneous happening and therefore dangerous to a control system set up by the non-dreamers." -- William S. Burroughs
oh yeah, 1 question before you shut the fuck up...
Why, after refusing to play without it, did adamantium give up his demand for proof of escrow?
scumbag bully
This is kind of a strawman argument. I don't think anyone is saying this was a premeditated attempt at theft.
It's much more similar to an Edog or Chino situation, where they assume everything will work out and aren't too concerned about what happens if they lose. Carelessness and dishonesty, and maybe (but who knows for sure) good intentions. It's still fraud.
I don't see how that part is relevant.
oh yeah, 1 question before you shut the fuck up...
Why, after refusing to play without it, did adamantium give up his demand for proof of escrow?
scumbag bully
adamantium did his part -- he sent the $50 to me on time.
The burden is not on him to determine the veracity of garrett's claims of also escrowing.
After he sent his money, he had a right to play based upon garrett's statement and then invalidate the results if he lost.
Is that a freeroll? Yes, it is. But it's not his fault, because the freeroll was created by garrett lying.
I don't see how that part is relevant.
adamantium did his part -- he sent the $50 to me on time.
The burden is not on him to determine the veracity of garrett's claims of also escrowing.
After he sent his money, he had a right to play based upon garrett's statement and then invalidate the results if he lost.
Is that a freeroll? Yes, it is. But it's not his fault, because the freeroll was created by garrett lying.
We actually agree on most of this, gimme my rep back and i'd green ya one!
But, I never said it's adamantium's fault.
The point is that there were restrictions in place to prevent this from happening and had it not been for your scumbag co-host, the match never goes off.
what is an escrow if not verified?
They agreed to play W/OUT proof of escrow (against pfa rules that bets must be escrowed, but not a scam)
Garrett's thinking was more like, 'i want to play these chumps and if i explain to Druff that the money's on its way that'll be good enough as long as i pay if i lose'
The difference is that Edog and Chino were borrowing large sums of money to where it would be difficult or impossible to pay back, barring some huge poker scores.This is kind of a strawman argument. I don't think anyone is saying this was a premeditated attempt at theft.
It's much more similar to an Edog or Chino situation, where they assume everything will work out and aren't too concerned about what happens if they lose. Carelessness and dishonesty, and maybe (but who knows for sure) good intentions. It's still fraud.
Garrett looked like he was legitimately withdrawing the $50 to pay for this, but got delayed and chose to lie about the delay instead of just postponing the match. I can't be sure of this, but that's sure as hell what looks likely from my perspective.
Garrett is also exactly the sort of person to make excuses for losing or feign misunderstanding, like he did in the heads up tournament. Without escrow, there's a good chance he never honors the bet. The fact that he sent the money after winning signifies nothing, especially since he ended up asking for his winnings.
He can do all this shady stuff without technically being a deliberate scammer because he'd think he's in the right. I bring put up the aforementioned guys not to compare dollar amounts, but intent. They weren't outright stealing, just delusional and sleazy.
Maybe withdraw 50 dollars from the vast portfolio of the worker's Party and stick a fork in this thread.
Okay let's say it wasn't a scam (it was, but let's say). He more or less freerolled the guy by lying. Regardless of what his final intention was, he lied. For a site that is called "poker fraud alert", the owner seems to think certain things are "reasonable" and not a scam. A perfect point is what Jsearles did to vegas (who fyi has been a long standing member of this community, wayyy before Jsearles and has done more good than Jsearles can ever do). He scammed vegas, at best he freerolled him, but no it was a scam. You let him post here, but even you admit it was a freeroll. I dont think you should ban Garrett anymore because than we'd all lose our fun, HOWEVER you should label him as a scammer/freeroller like we did in the old days on NWP/DD. He should not get away with this, and you making an argument that he is retarded and couldn't understand what he was doing is wrong, doesn't nullify the fact of what he did. He lied, many people do, but he lied about money/bet on your site that is called "poker fraud alert". Not labeling him in one way or another takes away from the spirit of what this site is for and makes you look like a hypocrite Todd.
Would anyone be in the "Garrett isn't batshit crazy" camp? Doubt it. Therefore not guilty by reason of insanity seems appropriate
Also the fact that so many grown ass men have spent so much time arguing over $50 is hilarious
I'd say give Garrett the liar, scumbag, retard title but the titles here don't mean shit. Hell mine says "can't post"
It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?
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