ESPN's Britt McHenry seems to act like a bitch to a parking lot attendant -- but was it justified?

[lol wow]

We get it bro Ur super fat and scammed a handicap placard

[lol wow]

WAS OBV TALKING TO THE slizz

[Dan Druff]

The state of California, which has 1/9 of this country's entire population, also says you should be able to park in an open-to-the-public, free lot without getting towed, provided you don't hog up the space for more than an hour.

I think that a carefully-researched state law in the biggest state of the nation carries a lot of weight over the opinion of a few forum posters who believe that business owners should have the right to run a tow for profit scam because it's "their property".

If you want to make the MORAL argument that it's not right to park in a lot of a business that you're not using, I can understand that, but it's also not a realistic argument. If you couldn't find any other parking, and you only needed to park for 5-10 minutes, you would park in that nearby lot 100% of the time, as would I.

The problem here with your position is that towing is a very serious violation of personal property, as basically it's granting the legal right to a third party to take something (very valuable) from you without your permission. So towing laws were crafted in most states to be a last resort -- something you only are allowed to do when all lesser options are exhausted. And in no states were towing laws drafted with the intent that the person calling for the tow should make a PROFIT from the situation. There should absolutely never be a situation where you are making reliable money from getting cars towed from your property.

California recognized all of this (as did many other states), which is why they required an hour to pass before the person can be towed from a private-but-open-to-everyone-for-free lot, thus largely killing the ability for tow trucks to lie in wait and victimize otherwise well-meaning parkers.

It is hilarious that you are still arguing against my points, even after I posted proof that California has already researched the exact problem I'm presenting, and came up with the exact solution I posted.

Literally every other state laughs at California. Legally, most courts won't even recognize precedents set in California. It's well known that California is one of the worst run states in our country. California is literally a joke. So all these justifications regarding "California did it" fall on deaf ears. In fact, I would use the same argument- "California did it" , so it's most likely wrong

Druff, your argument against towing is essentially the same reason I'm against the parking thing. Here is a paragraph you just typed, but edited for me:


The problem here with your position is that parking, or using someone's property, is a very serious violation of personal property, as basically it's granting the legal right to a third party to use something (very valuable) of yours without your permission.

I can't fathom the stance of forcing me to allow you to park on my property? It's my property! I clearly can decide who I do and don't want there. It's basic property rights.

Lol @ you can't believe I disagree with you because California already decided such and such. So are you saying you agree with EVERYTHING on the books in California? I mean, it all is not to be disagreed with right?

It's not just California.

Lots of other states have similar or identical laws on the books, as well.

Earlier in this thread you mocked my idea of requiring a minimum time to pass before towing as ridiculous. And then it turns out that (unbeknownst to me at the time I posted it), this EXACT solution to the problem was enacted into law in California and many other states.

While business owners can claim that the parking lot is "their property", a vehicle owner can also claim that their car is THEIR property.

So there needs to be protection on both ends. Again, towing is supposed to be a last resort, not a shady trick where lot owners can profit by grabbing cars left in their lot for a few minutes.

The bottom line is that a very large percentage of these after-hours or lie-in-wait tows were cases of predatory behavior for profit, rather than open-to-the-public parking lot owners being upset that their lot was being clogged by non-patrons.

Why does a privately owned but free parking lot have to tolerate non-patrons parking there for less than an hour? They don't. They can post a security guard there to tell people to leave, and if they refuse, at that point it becomes trespassing or at the very least an offense where a tow can be called for immediately. Or they can accept the fact that a few people parking there for a few minutes is part of what comes with having an open parking lot in a very busy and parking-challenged area. Towing should never be authorized by a property owner for profit, but only out of a legitimate need to remove vehicles when all other options are exhausted.

An hour is very reasonable. If I went and parked my car and blocked your home's driveway right now, you wouldn't be able to get rid of my car in less than an hour. By the time you called the police and got the towing company down there, it would be at least an hour until you got rid of my car. So if an hour is a reasonable response time for a private citizen, it should also be good enough for a large parking lot with lots of spaces (likely after hours when they're not needed anyway.)

Lawmakers in California and elsewhere (correctly) determined that it is more important to discourage predatory and shady behavior by towing companies and parking lot owners than it is to make sure lot owners can get "unauthorized" cars out of their lots in less than an hour.

[BetCheckBet]

Literally every other state laughs at California. Legally, most courts won't even recognize precedents set in California. It's well known that California is one of the worst run states in our country. California is literally a joke. So all these justifications regarding "California did it" fall on deaf ears. In fact, I would use the same argument- "California did it" , so it's most likely wrong

Druff, your argument against towing is essentially the same reason I'm against the parking thing. Here is a paragraph you just typed, but edited for me:


The problem here with your position is that parking, or using someone's property, is a very serious violation of personal property, as basically it's granting the legal right to a third party to use something (very valuable) of yours without your permission.

I can't fathom the stance of forcing me to allow you to park on my property? It's my property! I clearly can decide who I do and don't want there. It's basic property rights.

Lol @ you can't believe I disagree with you because California already decided such and such. So are you saying you agree with EVERYTHING on the books in California? I mean, it all is not to be disagreed with right?

It's not just California.

Lots of other states have similar or identical laws on the books, as well.

Earlier in this thread you mocked my idea of requiring a minimum time to pass before towing as ridiculous. And then it turns out that (unbeknownst to me at the time I posted it), this EXACT solution to the problem was enacted into law in California and many other states.

While business owners can claim that the parking lot is "their property", a vehicle owner can also claim that their car is THEIR property.

So there needs to be protection on both ends. Again, towing is supposed to be a last resort, not a shady trick where lot owners can profit by grabbing cars left in their lot for a few minutes.

The bottom line is that a very large percentage of these after-hours or lie-in-wait tows were cases of predatory behavior for profit, rather than open-to-the-public parking lot owners being upset that their lot was being clogged by non-patrons.

Why does a privately owned but free parking lot have to tolerate non-patrons parking there for less than an hour? They don't. They can post a security guard there to tell people to leave, and if they refuse, at that point it becomes criminal trespassing. Or they can accept the fact that a few people parking there for a few minutes is part of what comes with having an open parking lot in a very busy and parking-challenged area. Towing was never meant for this. Towing is not supposed to be about profiteering or punishment. It's to remove vehicles that are not supposed to be there, and are likely to be there for awhile.

An hour is very reasonable. If I went and parked my car and blocked your home's driveway right now, you wouldn't be able to get rid of my car in less than an hour. By the time you called the police and got the towing company down there, it would be at least an hour until you got rid of my car. So if an hour is a reasonable response time for a private citizen, it should also be good enough for a large parking lot with lots of spaces (likely after hours when they're not needed anyway.)

Lawmakers in California and elsewhere (correctly) determined that it is more important to discourage predatory and shady behavior by towing companies and parking lot owners than it is to make sure lot owners can get "unauthorized" cars out of their lots in less than an hour.

This is actually not true druff. The legislation you posted says regarding residential areas cars can be towed immediately. They are say the same about hotels and a few other places.

[Dan Druff]

The hour rule is the dumbest fucking "law" I've ever heard. Imagine you own a business next door to a very popular restaurant. Essentially there's nothing you can do about people parking in your lot, blocking spaces for your customers? That's absurd, it's your property! I'd actually listen to this with the caveat that it's after your posted business hours. But when your business is open? C'mon.....

WRONG.

You can stop people from parking in your lot by posting a security guard in the lot, and informing people to move their cars if they attempt to leave the property. In fact, some lots actually do this, and they have no parking issues.

By only hiring "security" (tow companies) if they MAKE money from patrolling the lot, these business owners are saying, "People parking in our lot isn't a big deal, but I'm willing to pretend it is if I can get them towed and make some money off of it."

BTW, as I said, most of this stuff does happen after hours, because these business owners want to be sure they are only victimizing non-patrons, and are afraid they might shoot themselves in the foot if they accidentally get legit patrons towed.

[Dan Druff]

It's not just California.

Lots of other states have similar or identical laws on the books, as well.

Earlier in this thread you mocked my idea of requiring a minimum time to pass before towing as ridiculous. And then it turns out that (unbeknownst to me at the time I posted it), this EXACT solution to the problem was enacted into law in California and many other states.

While business owners can claim that the parking lot is "their property", a vehicle owner can also claim that their car is THEIR property.

So there needs to be protection on both ends. Again, towing is supposed to be a last resort, not a shady trick where lot owners can profit by grabbing cars left in their lot for a few minutes.

The bottom line is that a very large percentage of these after-hours or lie-in-wait tows were cases of predatory behavior for profit, rather than open-to-the-public parking lot owners being upset that their lot was being clogged by non-patrons.

Why does a privately owned but free parking lot have to tolerate non-patrons parking there for less than an hour? They don't. They can post a security guard there to tell people to leave, and if they refuse, at that point it becomes criminal trespassing. Or they can accept the fact that a few people parking there for a few minutes is part of what comes with having an open parking lot in a very busy and parking-challenged area. Towing was never meant for this. Towing is not supposed to be about profiteering or punishment. It's to remove vehicles that are not supposed to be there, and are likely to be there for awhile.

An hour is very reasonable. If I went and parked my car and blocked your home's driveway right now, you wouldn't be able to get rid of my car in less than an hour. By the time you called the police and got the towing company down there, it would be at least an hour until you got rid of my car. So if an hour is a reasonable response time for a private citizen, it should also be good enough for a large parking lot with lots of spaces (likely after hours when they're not needed anyway.)

Lawmakers in California and elsewhere (correctly) determined that it is more important to discourage predatory and shady behavior by towing companies and parking lot owners than it is to make sure lot owners can get "unauthorized" cars out of their lots in less than an hour.

This is actually not true druff. The legislation you posted says regarding residential areas cars can be towed immediately. They are say the same about hotels and a few other places.

You didn't read what I wrote.

You CAN get me towed immediately in the above bolded situation, but you don't have a tow truck waiting next to your house.

By the time you call the police, get the tow authorized, and get the towing company down there, an hour or more will have passed.

These businesses only get cars towed so quickly because they have already set up a lie-in-wait towing scheme where a truck is hiding on premises.

That's why this "immediate tow" crap is so ridiculous. NO ONE gets an immediate tow, mostly due to the time required to get it done, unless they already have a lie-in-wait tow truck waiting to engage in predatory behavior.

[Dan Druff]

Since jsearles thinks California's "1 hour tow" law is too lenient, perhaps we should take a look at the laws in his conservative home state of Missouri.

When present, the owner, lessee, or property/security manager of the
private property (must be a full-time employee of the business entity) may
authorize an ABV be removed without law enforcement authorization when
parked in a restricted/assigned area when:

 A sign (not less than 17” X 22” in size) is displayed in plain view of all
entrances to the property. The sign must:
• Contain lettering not less than one inch in height;
• Prohibit public parking and indicate that unauthorized ABVs will be
removed at the owner's expense;
• Disclose the maximum fee for all charges related to towing and
storage; and
• Contain the telephone number of the local law enforcement agency
or a 24-hour emergency hotline, which the owner of the ABV may call
to receive information regarding the location of the towed ABV.

 The ABV is left unattended on owner-occupied residential property
with four residential units or less, the appropriate law enforcement
agency has been notified, and ten hours have elapsed since that
notification; or

 The ABV is left unattended on private property, the appropriate law
enforcement agency has been notified, and 96 hours has elapsed since
that notification.

 A general agreement between a business/individual and a towing
company to tow vehicles at their discretion is not acceptable, except in
the case of an ABV parked within 15 feet of a fire hydrant or in a fire lane
designated by a Fire Department or the State Fire Marshall.

http://dor.mo.gov/forms/Abandoned_Vehicle_Manual.pdf

(ABV stands for "abandoned vehicle", which by Missouri law simply means any parked vehicle where the driver is not present.)

So in Missouri, you can't tow a vehicle for 96 hours in your private parking lot!

Furthermore, parking lot owners cannot enter any kind of deal with towing companies to decide who they tow on their own.

So Missouri took this whole problem several steps further than California, and has completely smacked down these towing scams.

Care to keep arguing this, or do you want to keep getting owned by the cold hard facts?

[thesparten]

Even in small parking lots in the Bronx were there are only say 6 spots for a dry cleaners, a laundromat and a news stand just to drop off and pick up you shouldn't be towed instantly. If big dick parks and drops my boxers off but then runs a cross the street to the pizzeria to get me a slice doesn't mean I just lost my car. That's ridiculous. If people abuse it that's one story but if the sign says 5 minutes and it's been 6 and my car is on a tow truck line that predatory. It's like the speed limit keeps on Getting lowered, we all know that's not for safety but to create an atmosphere were more revenue can be collected without actually calling it taxes. (Obamacare v supreme court).. it's criminal. You will find no one more supportive of small business then me on this forum but fair is fair..

[jsearles22]

Since jsearles thinks California's "1 hour tow" law is too lenient, perhaps we should take a look at the laws in his conservative home state of Missouri.

When present, the owner, lessee, or property/security manager of the
private property (must be a full-time employee of the business entity) may
authorize an ABV be removed without law enforcement authorization when
parked in a restricted/assigned area when:

 A sign (not less than 17” X 22” in size) is displayed in plain view of all
entrances to the property. The sign must:
• Contain lettering not less than one inch in height;
• Prohibit public parking and indicate that unauthorized ABVs will be
removed at the owner's expense;
• Disclose the maximum fee for all charges related to towing and
storage; and
• Contain the telephone number of the local law enforcement agency
or a 24-hour emergency hotline, which the owner of the ABV may call
to receive information regarding the location of the towed ABV.

 The ABV is left unattended on owner-occupied residential property
with four residential units or less, the appropriate law enforcement
agency has been notified, and ten hours have elapsed since that
notification; or

 The ABV is left unattended on private property, the appropriate law
enforcement agency has been notified, and 96 hours has elapsed since
that notification.

 A general agreement between a business/individual and a towing
company to tow vehicles at their discretion is not acceptable, except in
the case of an ABV parked within 15 feet of a fire hydrant or in a fire lane
designated by a Fire Department or the State Fire Marshall.

http://dor.mo.gov/forms/Abandoned_Vehicle_Manual.pdf

(ABV stands for "abandoned vehicle", which by Missouri law simply means any parked vehicle where the driver is not present.)

So in Missouri, you can't tow a vehicle for 96 hours in your private parking lot!

Furthermore, parking lot owners cannot enter any kind of deal with towing companies to decide who they tow on their own.

So Missouri took this whole problem several steps further than California, and has completely smacked down these towing scams.

Care to keep arguing this, or do you want to keep getting owned by the cold hard facts?

Nice try Druff! You forget I work in security. Obviously parking laws and laws pertaining to abandoned vehicles are vastly different. I'm out right now, but I'll eviscerate you later when I'm on a computer.

But suffice it to say you're an idiot if you think no vehicle is legally towed in Missouri for 96 hours!

[Sloppy Joe]

Since jsearles thinks California's "1 hour tow" law is too lenient, perhaps we should take a look at the laws in his conservative home state of Missouri.



http://dor.mo.gov/forms/Abandoned_Vehicle_Manual.pdf

(ABV stands for "abandoned vehicle", which by Missouri law simply means any parked vehicle where the driver is not present.)

So in Missouri, you can't tow a vehicle for 96 hours in your private parking lot!

Furthermore, parking lot owners cannot enter any kind of deal with towing companies to decide who they tow on their own.

So Missouri took this whole problem several steps further than California, and has completely smacked down these towing scams.

Care to keep arguing this, or do you want to keep getting owned by the cold hard facts?

Nice try Druff! You forget I work in security. Obviously parking laws and laws pertaining to abandoned vehicles are vastly different. I'm out right now, but I'll eviscerate you later when I'm on a computer.

But suffice it to say you're an idiot if you think no vehicle is legally towed in Missouri for 96 hours!

Most people trolling Druff is entertaining, to varying degrees.

JSearles trolling Druff is insufferable on a massive level.

[4Dragons]

Nice try Druff! You forget I work in security.

Sick brag.

[SrslySirius]

Nice try Druff! You forget I work in security. Obviously parking laws and laws pertaining to abandoned vehicles are vastly different.

"Sorry, you can't tow this car. I'm not actually parked there. I'm just abandoning it for a few hours."

[Dan Druff]

Since jsearles thinks California's "1 hour tow" law is too lenient, perhaps we should take a look at the laws in his conservative home state of Missouri.



http://dor.mo.gov/forms/Abandoned_Vehicle_Manual.pdf

(ABV stands for "abandoned vehicle", which by Missouri law simply means any parked vehicle where the driver is not present.)

So in Missouri, you can't tow a vehicle for 96 hours in your private parking lot!

Furthermore, parking lot owners cannot enter any kind of deal with towing companies to decide who they tow on their own.

So Missouri took this whole problem several steps further than California, and has completely smacked down these towing scams.

Care to keep arguing this, or do you want to keep getting owned by the cold hard facts?

Nice try Druff! You forget I work in security. Obviously parking laws and laws pertaining to abandoned vehicles are vastly different. I'm out right now, but I'll eviscerate you later when I'm on a computer.

But suffice it to say you're an idiot if you think no vehicle is legally towed in Missouri for 96 hours!

Suffice to say that it's not surprising you never elevated past rent-a-cop status at your job.

From the same Missouri government site:

Abandoned property (ABV) is defined as any unattended motor vehicle, trailer, ATV, outboard motor, or vessel, whether or not operational, that is removed (or subject to removal) from public or private property.

Anyway, no matter what retarded interpretation you attempt which I quickly disprove, you have to admit that Missouri's towing laws are written specifically to thwart these kinds of towing scams.

They don't even let the towing company to decide who to tow -- something even California doesn't prevent.

How about just admitting that you're dead wrong on this one, and that most state governments have already recognized this scam and taken steps to prevent it?

I'm all for a business owner being able to remove assholes who use their lot for free parking (provided the person parking is leaving the vehicle there for awhile), but LOL @ you saying that you're totally fine with these awful tow-for-profit scams.

[Tellafriend]

5-7 dollar tip is absolutely standard. Anyone that tries to rationalize not tipping their barber is a n-word.

I trust you also tip the guy who changes your tires, cashes you out at the casino, accepts your payment at the grocery store, cuts your grass, or fixes your roof? You can't even "rationalize" why you are doing what you are bitching about other's not doing.

[Shizzmoney]

Looks like it ain't the first time McHenry went on tilt:

Last month, Sarah Sparkman, an Arkansas-based attorney, was having a conversation on Twitter about the sexualization of women in sports broadcasting. Sparkman, who majored in journalism in college, took issue with female journalists being branded more as sexual objects than for their talents.

Following an exchange between Sparkman and some of her followers, one person mentioned McHenry’s name. The person didn’t utilize McHenry’s Twitter handle (@BrittMcHenry) — so it didn’t pop up in her mentions feed — but the ESPN reporter apparently found it and jumped into the conversation.

http://awfulannouncing.com/2015/brit...n-twitter.html

[chinamaniac]

If you pull into a let's say a dental office parking lot somewhere after hours and there are signs there that say it is not okay to park there and violators will be towed etc... then I have no problem with them towing your vehicle.

Is it a little scummy, yes, but it is their property and you are parking in a tow zone. Drive around and find a place to park or pay for parking somewhere.

Otherwise

[big dick]

Is it just me who thinks this cunt isn't even that good looking?Sure she is better than average but nothing incredible imo

[simpdog]

If you pull into a let's say a dental office parking lot somewhere after hours and there are signs there that say it is not okay to park there and violators will be towed etc... then I have no problem with them towing your vehicle.

Is it a little scummy, yes, but it is their property and you are parking in a tow zone. Drive around and find a place to park or pay for parking somewhere.

Otherwise

While it's annoying I fully agree too.

The dentist pays for their parking lot. If someone's car drips shit all over they pay to fix the lot.

If your car explodes and starts a massive fire their insurance rates will go up.

Now if this is a shared lot the lines blur. If a pizza place has the 5 adjacent spots and a dentist has 5 beside them it doesn't make sense. Say its 9pm (dentist closed at 5pm) it doesn't make sense to have only the 5 assigned to the dentist. Whoever runs the lot is being a dick on purpose.

[chinamaniac]

Is it just me who thinks this cunt isn't even that good looking?Sure she is better than average but nothing incredible imo

 

[jsearles22]

If you pull into a let's say a dental office parking lot somewhere after hours and there are signs there that say it is not okay to park there and violators will be towed etc... then I have no problem with them towing your vehicle.

Is it a little scummy, yes, but it is their property and you are parking in a tow zone. Drive around and find a place to park or pay for parking somewhere.

Otherwise

I can't believe you are arguing here. Do you even know the State of California disagrees bro?