Better Call Saul

[BCR]

I feel that.

Thing is, that wouldn't crush moral Jimmy's spirit.

The show is Breaking Bad:Saul and to a lesser degree Breaking Bad:Mike, and we're now taking the circular journey with them and how they broke bad. Basically the only twist is Saul is kind of born again moral. He was once Slippin Jimmy, then he finds inspiration in his brother, and when this show picks up we find a generally moral Jimmy trying to fight the good fight and wonder how he gets from A to B, because we already know what B is. Mike has the exact same arc. Like Slippin Jimmy, he was no angel, but what turns him from shady shake-down cop to killer? That's basically the show, same as BB.

You get the first glimpse with the crazy lady telling Saul he's the type of lawyer guilty people hire. But she's nuts, and part of him knows it's true and shes recognizing that he's a fellow hustler, but he's able to shake it off and generally do the right thing. He needs something to really skew his world, and his brother's approval is about the only thing we see him really care about, thus it has to be his betrayal to complete the loop.
For Mike, he got his son whacked.

Gilligan clearly wants to pound into our heads that anyone can be any of these guys with a bad break. For Walt-terminal cancer, for Mike- causing son's death, for Jimmy- his brother's betrayal. His brother sitting him down and giving him a pragmatic talk about the relative value of his degree wouldn't complete Gilligan's formulaic loop even if it's way more plausible. He wrote himself into a corner and you either abandon the formula or its the brother that has to fuck him.

My guess is that Gilligan is now quite rich, and he isn't going to have some junior writer freestyling with his characters, but as long as they keep it formulaic, he can simply peruse and rubberstamp the script. He doesn't have to live the show. It's as can't miss of a hit as possible with how good the actors are.

[sonatine]

Exactly. Like it doesnt ruin the show for me by any stretch of the imagination but I wish there was a way around it. Not, mind you, that I can come up with one.


And the moral Jimmy spirit crushing factor had totally escaped me, thats a huge solid read.

[lol wow]

lol its sposed to be like 2002 era fucking new mexico not exactly a hot bed for tier 1 law school graduates also youre the worst

[lol wow]

its fucking albequerque the blond cooze whos like the top gun in the firm apparently has a degree from unm its not unreasonable that he thought his brother would have his back

[lol wow]

also and to reiterate youre the wooooooooorst tine guy is handing them at least 40 percent of 20 million in whatever class action suit and his brother is such an autist that hes kiboshing him getting a business card and an offer really breh

[sonatine]

its fucking albequerque the blond cooze whos like the top gun in the firm apparently has a degree from unm its not unreasonable that he thought his brother would have his back

shes basically a paralegal. do you even watch the show or are you asleep by 10:30 every night because your withered testes cant keep you awake once the bingo hall shuts its doors.

[lol wow]

lol at basically a paralegal shes an associate and on the fast track to partner in big law in the querq

[sonatine]

also and to reiterate youre the wooooooooorst tine guy is handing them at least 40 percent of 20 million in whatever class action suit and his brother is such an autist that hes kiboshing him getting a business card and an offer really breh

oh right that totally makes sense except it doesnt at all because he had zero point zero issues stepping to him hard when he was in jail, nerd.

[sonatine]

guys its ok gare gets confused and has been watching Moonlighting the entire time

[lol wow]

dont even come at me with plots from episode 3 which ive already disregarded as not canon

[tyde]

I feel like a moron ripping the show after the first 2 episodes


lesson learned and I stand corrected


this is the most in-depth character study I've seen for a long time


Mike is GOD


and wow at Jimmy's rant


last episode was the best one yet

[lol wow]

its alright baby you were probably not at optimal tequila balance when you watched them

[sonatine]

dont even come at me with plots from episode 3 which ive already disregarded as not canon

literally

[Suicide King]

Like this is exactly what bothered me:

I dont buy for a second that Chuck would not have sat down Jimmie a long time ago and said "look, this is a top law firm, you have a toy diploma. Im here for you, but you have a lot to prove before you get a seat at this table." There is no universe where Chuck doesnt have that conversation with Jimmie. And when I discussed it with a lawyer friend today, they said that had bothered them from the second Jimmie showed up with his diploma. By the time you get a law degree, even a borderline fake one, you know youre not going to be batting with the big boys, for all the reasons Chuck outlined in his lecture to Jimmie last night.

I get that for the purposes of dramatic narrative, that couldnt happen. But it took me out of the moment watching it play out, nerds.

My wife was saying last night that nepotism in law firms is so rampant that his brother being a partner it would of been a no brainer his idiot brother would get a job no matter what degree he had. She also says the law lingo is top shelf compared to just about every show. She also loved the scene of him chasing the DA around trying to make a deal and he keeps repeating "petty with a prior". She's lived that same scenario.

[splitthis]

I have those highball glasses with gold money on them featured in opening credits.

[ThreeBet]

Like this is exactly what bothered me:

I dont buy for a second that Chuck would not have sat down Jimmie a long time ago and said "look, this is a top law firm, you have a toy diploma. Im here for you, but you have a lot to prove before you get a seat at this table." There is no universe where Chuck doesnt have that conversation with Jimmie.

Totally disagree. Based on the dynamic in their relationship, this is exactly how it would have happened. Chuck goes along with Jimmy's delusion of being a real lawyer in the same way Jimmy goes along with Chuck's irrational fear of electricity. It's a staple of their dysfunctional relationship.

[Flipper_Fair]

Great Show that is really getting into a groove. I can't wait to see what happens next. The characters are so complex and interesting. And the acting is top top. Highly Recommend

[Gordman]

FTR Sonatine, minus getting into the semantics of the episode, I did have a decent idea of what you were talking about. I'll admit I was simply "piling on" and attempting to add some humor - whether or not it was funny.... I will blame the bottle of Jaegermister on it.

I know I haven't said it or really contributed much myself to any convo's on the forum (mainly because I am lazy and usually preoccupied), but you do add some attentive points of view and sentiments to many issues. Not trying to suck some dick, but im just saying it like it is.

[sonatine]

FYI I got it, it was apropos.

[WillieMcFML]

FYI I got it, it was apropos.

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