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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    We have a lull in the action.

    How you enjoying your net neutrality regulation win Druff? Unintended consequences. Time Warner Comcast merger etc, etc. government never helps. Some catch on a little slower than others. Thought Obamacare woulda driven this point home for you.

    Got a fresh example of regulation, light touch or otherwise.

    How those online poker players in NJ & Nevada enjoying government protection?

    Do you think they would rather be playing on unLicensed ACR or SWC now?
    You're joking, right? I'm sure you realize I was against net neutrality, so it's not a "win", though perhaps you're trying to demonstrate that I'm being contradictory with wanting regulation of online poker and none for the internet.

    I already explained that, though. Government regulation is a must with online poker, because it involves player money and the extreme importance of fairness and honesty in the game. There is no way that the free market can effectively regulate it. Full Tilt might be still stealing from us to this day (and still sitting with everyone's respect) if Black Friday hadn't happened in 2011.

    The NJ/Nevada legalized rooms are failing for three reasons. First, they are being run very poorly. I don't know if you read Melissa Burr's essay about the various reasons the NJ poker rooms were struggling, but she was on point. They just aren't doing things right. Second, the regulations were written by idiots, and are burdensome to the sites. But honestly, the troublesome regulations are more of an excuse for the site managers to use for their own failures. Third, and most importantly, everyone involved underestimated the huge population requirement necessary for online poker to succeed. Nevada's population is far too small, and even New Jersey's is too small. One-state poker rooms won't work, except in large states like California, where still there will only be room for 1 or 2 rooms/networks to thrive. This is simply because only a very small fraction of the population wants to regularly play online poker, especially with all of the hurdles to get verified and make a deposit.

    Anyway, I never said government regulation of online poker would be easy. It has to be done right, or it will be a disaster, and so far it hasn't been done right. But it has to be done. The brick and mortar casinos are regulated, and while there's plenty of corruption, for the most part the casinos operate freely and the average patron doesn't run into obnoxious hurdles while attempting to gamble, nor is there much interference in the free market. Regulating online casinos needs to be done similarly, but they can't just use the same blanket procedures because online is a completely different animal.

    If the government(s) wanted to do it right, they would consult with various people in the industry, including longtime online poker employees and longtime players like me. The problem with bureaucrats is that they don't do smart things like this, and instead think they can read a brief on the industry and then write their own effective regulations without help.

    The above might sound like I'm arguing against regulation, but I'm not. Regulation IS necessary. Without it, online poker will continue to be a disaster, filled with scams, scandals, cheats, and thefts. But if regulation isn't done right, it will also be a disaster. So we will have to see what happens. Hopefully they correct their course before online poker is completely choked out of the US.
    Druff, did you see my post about Fantasy Sports and regulation? #865 http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...l=1#post343651

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithbk View Post
    I must be a bit too obstinate for my own good. I don't see how online poker is illegal. So, I get what Druff is saying: it's gaming - if it's not regulated, it's not legal. Oh, I understand the DOJ busted it up. And I see that the UIGEA leads us in that direction. But that Act never said online poker was illegal. It was just assumed that the Wire Act did. But of course, it doesn't after all. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...rnet-gambling/)

    Anyhoo, that gets me to thinking about Fantasy Sports. This, of course, has an interesting carve-out in UIGEA. (If anyone knows that story, please do tell.) It's legal. Is it regulated? I wondered that, so I asked the nice folks at FanDuel.

    Hello,

    Thank you for submitting a support ticket. We are strictly regulated by the Fantasy Sports Trade Association (http://www.fsta.org/) and the Government, in accordance with the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA).

    Fantasy Sports is considered a game of skill and received a specific exemption from the 2006 Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act (UIGEA). FanDuel uses exactly same rules as season long fantasy sports game, the only difference is that our games last only a day. Thanks to fantasy sports being specifically excluded from laws affecting online sports betting, FanDuel is not illegal in any way.

    We hope this clears up any concerns that you may have, but please let us know if you have any other questions.

    Thanks,

    John

    Thank you for playing FanDuel.
    I looked up the FSTA. It said nothing about being a regulatory body. LOL. So, I asked "Does the FSTA or Federal Govt have specific licensing requirements? Are they interested in segregation of player funds, types of games of you can offer, etc.?"

    Hi Brian,

    John forwarded along your email. First off, let me correct a previous statement made by John. FanDuel is an active member of the FSTA, we are not "strictly regulated" by the FSTA.

    With that being said FanDuel acts in accordance with government regulation (specifically the UIGEA). One specific regulation is that we must include at least two separate events (2 games for example) to be considered a "game of skill".

    While I am unsure of specific regulations regarding segregation of funds, FanDuel does hold all player funds in a segregated account. This quote is from our CEO Nigel Eccles during a recent AMA (ask me anything) thread:

    "Player funds are kept separate from our operational funds. We bank with Santander and Square One. More importantly our accounts are audited annually by an independent auditor (Marcum) and their report is reviewed by our audit committee which is made up of our non-exec investment directors. The investment directors represent major blue chip funds like Comcast Ventures and Shamrock Capital.

    My point I wanted to make above is that it isn’t enough to keep player funds separate from operational funds. A company could do that and enter into a liability that bankrupted itself. In a bankruptcy situation players become another creditor along with other suppliers. What I was trying to say above was we do keep player funds separate but we also ensure that they are never at risk."

    Full contents of this thread can be found here in which Nigel answers other industry related questions: https://rotogrinders.com/threads/my-...-381899?page=6

    This is all of the information that we are able to provide at this time, hopefully this has been helpful. Please feel free to reach out to our support team with any future FanDuel support related questions.

    Best,

    Dylan Kidder
    Customer Support Manager
    FanDuel.com

    Thank you for playing FanDuel.
    Interesting? Please feel free to fill in the blanks for me.

    Cliffs for the TLDR among us:
    - how is online poker illegal, exactly?
    - is fantasy sports really regulated?
    - FanDuel says, "Yeah... not so much."
    Yeah, you raise a good point. Fantasy Sports doesn't seem to be regulated.

    This will probably be addressed when the first major scandal eventually happens.

    I also think the daily fantasy sports market is a lot smaller overall than the online poker market, especially at middle and higher stakes.

    I just don't see the point of anyone debating whether or not online poker can self-regulate successfully. It can't. This was a legitimate argument in 2006, but we've seen too many major scandals (the Full Tilt one was a $300 million scandal) to where it's clear the "let the market take care of itself" method didn't work.

    If the daily fantasy sports companies are more responsible, perhaps it's different in that case. I do think it attracts a different element than poker, both from the operator and player standpoint. Poker seems to attract a lot of shady people, probably because it's tied in with gambling and hustling.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smithbk View Post
    I must be a bit too obstinate for my own good. I don't see how online poker is illegal. So, I get what Druff is saying: it's gaming - if it's not regulated, it's not legal. Oh, I understand the DOJ busted it up. And I see that the UIGEA leads us in that direction. But that Act never said online poker was illegal. It was just assumed that the Wire Act did. But of course, it doesn't after all. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...rnet-gambling/)

    Anyhoo, that gets me to thinking about Fantasy Sports. This, of course, has an interesting carve-out in UIGEA. (If anyone knows that story, please do tell.) It's legal. Is it regulated? I wondered that, so I asked the nice folks at FanDuel.



    I looked up the FSTA. It said nothing about being a regulatory body. LOL. So, I asked "Does the FSTA or Federal Govt have specific licensing requirements? Are they interested in segregation of player funds, types of games of you can offer, etc.?"

    Hi Brian,

    John forwarded along your email. First off, let me correct a previous statement made by John. FanDuel is an active member of the FSTA, we are not "strictly regulated" by the FSTA.

    With that being said FanDuel acts in accordance with government regulation (specifically the UIGEA). One specific regulation is that we must include at least two separate events (2 games for example) to be considered a "game of skill".

    While I am unsure of specific regulations regarding segregation of funds, FanDuel does hold all player funds in a segregated account. This quote is from our CEO Nigel Eccles during a recent AMA (ask me anything) thread:

    "Player funds are kept separate from our operational funds. We bank with Santander and Square One. More importantly our accounts are audited annually by an independent auditor (Marcum) and their report is reviewed by our audit committee which is made up of our non-exec investment directors. The investment directors represent major blue chip funds like Comcast Ventures and Shamrock Capital.

    My point I wanted to make above is that it isn’t enough to keep player funds separate from operational funds. A company could do that and enter into a liability that bankrupted itself. In a bankruptcy situation players become another creditor along with other suppliers. What I was trying to say above was we do keep player funds separate but we also ensure that they are never at risk."

    Full contents of this thread can be found here in which Nigel answers other industry related questions: https://rotogrinders.com/threads/my-...-381899?page=6

    This is all of the information that we are able to provide at this time, hopefully this has been helpful. Please feel free to reach out to our support team with any future FanDuel support related questions.

    Best,

    Dylan Kidder
    Customer Support Manager
    FanDuel.com

    Thank you for playing FanDuel.
    Interesting? Please feel free to fill in the blanks for me.

    Cliffs for the TLDR among us:
    - how is online poker illegal, exactly?
    - is fantasy sports really regulated?
    - FanDuel says, "Yeah... not so much."
    Yeah, you raise a good point. Fantasy Sports doesn't seem to be regulated.

    This will probably be addressed when the first major scandal eventually happens.

    I also think the daily fantasy sports market is a lot smaller overall than the online poker market, especially at middle and higher stakes.

    I just don't see the point of anyone debating whether or not online poker can self-regulate successfully. It can't. This was a legitimate argument in 2006, but we've seen too many major scandals (the Full Tilt one was a $300 million scandal) to where it's clear the "let the market take care of itself" method didn't work.

    If the daily fantasy sports companies are more responsible, perhaps it's different in that case. I do think it attracts a different element than poker, both from the operator and player standpoint. Poker seems to attract a lot of shady people, probably because it's tied in with gambling and hustling.
    Stop with your B.S, POKERSTARS, POKERSTARS has proved online can run and run RIGHT without the fucking U.S government
    -Allergic to the struggle

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4BET View Post
    Stop with your B.S, POKERSTARS, POKERSTARS has proved online can run and run RIGHT without the fucking U.S government
    One successful example in a sea of counterexamples.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4BET View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by smithbk View Post
    I must be a bit too obstinate for my own good. I don't see how online poker is illegal. So, I get what Druff is saying: it's gaming - if it's not regulated, it's not legal. Oh, I understand the DOJ busted it up. And I see that the UIGEA leads us in that direction. But that Act never said online poker was illegal. It was just assumed that the Wire Act did. But of course, it doesn't after all. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/nathanva...rnet-gambling/)

    Anyhoo, that gets me to thinking about Fantasy Sports. This, of course, has an interesting carve-out in UIGEA. (If anyone knows that story, please do tell.) It's legal. Is it regulated? I wondered that, so I asked the nice folks at FanDuel.



    I looked up the FSTA. It said nothing about being a regulatory body. LOL. So, I asked "Does the FSTA or Federal Govt have specific licensing requirements? Are they interested in segregation of player funds, types of games of you can offer, etc.?"



    Interesting? Please feel free to fill in the blanks for me.

    Cliffs for the TLDR among us:
    - how is online poker illegal, exactly?
    - is fantasy sports really regulated?
    - FanDuel says, "Yeah... not so much."
    Yeah, you raise a good point. Fantasy Sports doesn't seem to be regulated.

    This will probably be addressed when the first major scandal eventually happens.

    I also think the daily fantasy sports market is a lot smaller overall than the online poker market, especially at middle and higher stakes.

    I just don't see the point of anyone debating whether or not online poker can self-regulate successfully. It can't. This was a legitimate argument in 2006, but we've seen too many major scandals (the Full Tilt one was a $300 million scandal) to where it's clear the "let the market take care of itself" method didn't work.

    If the daily fantasy sports companies are more responsible, perhaps it's different in that case. I do think it attracts a different element than poker, both from the operator and player standpoint. Poker seems to attract a lot of shady people, probably because it's tied in with gambling and hustling.
    Stop with your B.S, POKERSTARS, POKERSTARS has proved online can run and run RIGHT without the fucking U.S government
    WTF is your problem. Full Tilt, Ultimate Bet, and Absolute Poker were fucking train wrecks. Then there was Dutch Boyd's operation.

    You can't pick one major operation as a success and ignore the other toxic sites around it.

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    My point is let pokerstars back and fuck the rest of them crooks

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I also think the daily fantasy sports market is a lot smaller overall than the online poker market, especially at middle and higher stakes.
    Ooh, surely this can be determined! I would like to see those statistics.

    A quick search garnered too many "reviews." WSJ says "More than 33 million Americans play fantasy sports, which has mushroomed into a $3.3 billion industry."

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fantas...014-1401893587

    Bloomberg - "a recent survey showed that 70 percent of FanDuel’s players don’t partake in conventional sports betting or play poker for money." That sounds like a bigger market demographic, but I could be wrong.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...fantasy-sports
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post

    Second, the regulations were written by idiots, and are burdensome to the sites.

    Anyway, I never said government regulation of online poker would be easy. It has to be done right, or it will be a disaster, and so far it hasn't been done right.

    If the government(s) wanted to do it right, they would consult with various people in the industry, including longtime online poker employees and longtime players like me. The problem with bureaucrats is that they don't do smart things like this, and instead think they can read a brief on the industry and then write their own effective regulations without help.
    Despite all evidence to the contrary you still maintain government regulation is the answer. You got your wish - it's regulated. How the fuck is that working out? Your faith in our political process has us at opposite ends.

    On the other hand, I have faith in the intelligence of our citizens. Coincident with the technology that makes online gaming possible there also exists a marvelous medium for disseminating information about poker sites.

    I imagine someone might someday create a site that investigates potential poker fraud and offer their experience derived from studying and editorializing about the fraud & mistakes that have occurred.

    Someone should incorporate the words Poker Fraud in the site's name somehow. It would add credibility if this site had been around for a while.

    Someone should contact HaleyH for ideas.

    The first non-affiliate, non-whore poker site review & listing.

    Such an authority might demand open accounting if the firm is private. If the firm is public, such as PokerStars or PartyPoker, close monitoring of their practices and books would be performed and opinions posted.

    It grieves me that many poker players gave their lives. They did not die in vain. We are all wiser.

    I am not willing to entrust my freedom to the morons who require millions of dollars to become elected. Politicking with Sheldon Adelson & Pappas and other lobbyists..... sweet jesus, just look at the results.

    Trust me. Regulation by American lawmakers of an industry where large sums of cash are involved will never go well.

     
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    Antigua PM warns US that WTO stalling will force him to employ “remedies”

    Such remedies include the legal right to offer royalty-free digital downloads of American corporations’ intellectual property.

    http://calvinayre.com/2015/03/01/bus...ng-him-to-act/

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    Antigua PM warns US that WTO stalling will force him to employ “remedies”

    Such remedies include the legal right to offer royalty-free digital downloads of American corporations’ intellectual property.

    http://calvinayre.com/2015/03/01/bus...ng-him-to-act/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reno View Post
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    Antigua PM warns US that WTO stalling will force him to employ “remedies”

    Such remedies include the legal right to offer royalty-free digital downloads of American corporations’ intellectual property.

    http://calvinayre.com/2015/03/01/bus...ng-him-to-act/
    So we are supposed to believe that after 11 years Antigua is suddenly losing their patience days after Micon's arrival?

    Micon gonna create an international incident.

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    To follow up on my post about Fantasy Sports and regulation - #865 http://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sho...l=1#post343651:

    DraftKings customer support was less impressive. I tightened up my request from the FanDuel experience. Got all the "Specific licensing requirements... segregation of player funds, types of games of DK can offer, etc.?" in the initial request. The result was underwhelming.

    Hi Brian,

    We are a US-based skill games company, and all of our contests are operated 100% legally under United States and Canadian law. The US Government and 45 of the 50 states consider fantasy sports a game of skill. We do not allow residents of Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, or Washington to participate in our contests due to state-specific regulation against cash prize awards. We also require our users to be 18 years of age or older (19 in Alabama and Nebraska). We take the legal status of our contests very seriously.

    Best,

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    Looks like a template response. I think one of the pages on the website was more thorough (if not well-written.)

    DRAFTKINGS IS A US COMPANY
    HEADQUARTERED IN BOSTON, MASS
    Operating in full compliancy with the Federal UIGEA law passed in 2006.
    Hassle-Free Cash-Outs
    Payments processed immediately following withdrawal.
    DRAFTKINGS GUARANTEES SECURITY OF PLAYER FUNDS
    Account balances held in segregated account and not used for operational expenses.

     
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    WHOEVER CREATED THIS TREAD IS A BOSS

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacosta24 View Post
    WHOEVER CREATED THIS TREAD IS A BOSS


    amen muck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The problem with bureaucrats is that they don't do smart things like this, and instead think they can read a brief on the industry and then write their own effective regulations without help.
    The major problem is that regulation isn't even written by them, it's written by underlings who are essentially aspiring corporate lobbyists. The legislation will always have flaws, even once legal, sadly.

    The closest that the US will ever get to having pre-2011 is if Pokerstars sets up shop in CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizzmoney View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    The problem with bureaucrats is that they don't do smart things like this, and instead think they can read a brief on the industry and then write their own effective regulations without help.
    The major problem is that regulation isn't even written by them, it's written by underlings who are essentially aspiring corporate lobbyists. The legislation will always have flaws, even once legal, sadly.

    The closest that the US will ever get to having pre-2011 is if Pokerstars sets up shop in CA.
    Lobbyist usually write the bill. It's kind of a full service business. They write the proposed bill, provide the compaign funding/bribes and line up the boys and coach it through.

    Comes down to who has the deepest pockets. Enter PokerStars. California is a pretty fucked up state. Pennsylvania may actually beat them out.

    But pre-2011? Nostalgia and wet dreams.

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    02/24/2015 $3.30 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout], $5K Gtd $3.00+$0.30 1133/2319 $0.00
    02/24/2015 $11 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $6K Gtd $10.00+$1.00 49/700 $23.80
    02/24/2015 $8.80 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $5K Gtd $8.00+$0.80 358/844 $0.00
    02/24/2015 $13.50 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Knockout], $10K Gtd $12.50+$1.00 511/966 $0.00
    02/22/2015 The Hotter $44 [Turbo], $80K Gtd $40.00+$4.00 647/2539 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $7.50 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $5K Gtd $6.82+$0.68 695/1756 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $82 Weekly HORSE, $5K Gtd $75.00+$7.00 24/102 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $27 Daily HORSE, $2K Gtd $24.55+$2.45 44/116 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Weekly HORSE Sat: $27 HORSE [Hyper-Turbo], 1 Seat Gtd $26.47+$0.53 6/6 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Weekly HORSE Sat: $27 HORSE [Hyper-Turbo], 1 Seat Gtd $26.47+$0.53 5/9 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Weekly HORSE Sat: $5.50+R HORSE [Turbo], 1 Seat Gtd $5.00+$0.50 4/15 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $215 Sunday Million, $1M Gtd $200.00+$15.00 4192/7034 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $10.20 NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $10.00+$0.20 29/45 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $22 NLHE [Turbo], 1 Seat Gtd $20.00+$2.00 96/151 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $10.20 NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $10.00+$0.20 30/49 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $11+R NLHE [Turbo], 1 Seat Gtd $10.00+$1.00 39/79 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $10.20 NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $10.00+$0.20 25/40 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $27 Daily FL Hold'em, $1K Gtd $24.55+$2.45 26/63 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $10.20 NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $10.00+$0.20 7/46 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $9+R NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $8.82+$0.18 16/28 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $10.20 NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $10.00+$0.20 33/45 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $9+R NLHE [4-Max, Hyper-Turbo] $8.82+$0.18 10/19 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $11 Sunday Storm, $300K Gtd $10.00+$1.00 558/35411 $102.69
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $7.50 NLHE [Turbo, Deep, Re-Entry], 1 Seat Gtd $6.82+$0.68 360/707 $0.00
    02/22/2015 Sunday Million Sat: $1.65+R NLHE [3x-Turbo], 3 Seats Gtd $1.50+$0.15 90/692 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $82 Weekly NL Single Draw 2-7, $2K Gtd $75.00+$7.00 13/23 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $5.10 NL Hold'em [Hyper-Turbo], $3K Gtd $5.00+$0.10 514/749 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $8.80 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Zoom], $3K Gtd $8.00+$0.80 60/436 $15.34
    02/22/2015 $27 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout], $12.5K Gtd $24.55+$2.45 208/660 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $3.30 NL Courchevel H/L [Turbo], $300 Gtd $3.00+$0.30 58/138 $0.00
    02/22/2015 $3.30 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout], $5K Gtd $3.00+$0.30 886/2504 $0.00
    02/21/2015 $5.50 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $8K Gtd $5.00+$0.50 307/2016 $0.00
    02/21/2015 $2.70 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Knockout], $10K Gtd $2.50+$0.20 292/5769 $5.30
    02/21/2015 The Big $11, $65K Gtd $10.00+$1.00 3622/9071 $0.00
    02/19/2015 $11 NL Hold'em [Time: 15 Minutes] $10.00+$1.00 59/124 $0.00
    02/19/2015 $1.10+R NL Hold'em [2x-Turbo], $4K Gtd $1.00+$0.10 540/1045 $0.00
    02/19/2015 $5.50 NL Hold'em [Time: 60 Minutes] $5.00+$0.50 48/61 $0.00
    02/18/2015 The Hot $5.50 [Turbo], $10K Gtd $5.00+$0.50 450/2914 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $7.50 NL Omaha H/L [6-Max, Hyper-Turbo, 1R1A], $500 Gtd $7.35+$0.15 43/88 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $1.10+R NL Hold'em [3x-Turbo], $24K Gtd $1.00+$0.10 1940/3830 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $2.20 NL Hold'em [6-Max, Turbo], $3K Gtd $2.00+$0.20 889/1890 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $4.40 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout], $15K Gtd $4.00+$0.40 1485/4272 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $11 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $14K Gtd $10.00+$1.00 686/1508 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $16.50 NL Hold'em [Turbo], $18K Gtd $15.00+$1.50 227/1338 $0.00
    02/18/2015 The Hot $7.50 [Turbo], $15K Gtd $6.82+$0.68 2128/3939 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $27 Daily Stud H/L, $1.5K Gtd $24.55+$2.45 41/76 $0.00
    02/18/2015 $11 NL Hold'em [Time: 15 Minutes] $10.00+$1.00 23/121 $22.87
    02/18/2015 $10.50 NL Hold'em [Heads-Up, Turbo, Super-Knockout] $10.00+$0.50 10/90 $0.00
    02/17/2015 $1.10+R NL Hold'em [3x-Turbo], $24K Gtd $1.00+$0.10 670/3902 $0.00
    02/17/2015 $11 NLHE [6-Max, Turbo, 5-Stack] $10.00+$1.00 14/96 $12.48
    02/16/2015 $4.40 NL Hold'em [Turbo, Progressive Super-Knockout], $15K Gtd $4.00+$0.40 556/4256 $0.00
    02/16/2015 $27 Daily Stud H/L, $1.5K Gtd $24.55+$2.45 4/86 $200.57
    02/16/2015 Spin & Go Daily Challenge: All-in Shootout 1, $10,000 Added $0.00+$0.00 1426/18273 $1.50
    02/15/2015 The Hotter $5.50 [Turbo], $20K Gtd












     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyde View Post
    yea micon is definitely rolling in cash


    Marty, how is Stars treating you? Not so well recently huh? I understand tournament variance and all of that, but damn you are running ice fucking cold! Over your last 100 tournaments you have min cashed 3 times? You spent thousands of dollars in buy ins at these LOL $3, $5, $7, and $11 levels and you have cashed a total of $123? Thats pretty embarrassing. And god only knows how much you have dumped off in the cash games.

    So go ahead and tell us how much cash you are rolling in. *Yawn* We all know if you arent already broke, its only a matter of time. And by a matter of time, we are talking in days and weeks, not months.

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    It's hilarious that we as a society think everyone can be a dr, a lawyer, an engineer. Some people are just fucking stupid. Why can't we just accept that?

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