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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
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    It seems like you are saying I don't need to read that because my mind is made up. You also say that in a year's time anyone can find time to get an id. Once again how do you know what a poor person can or can't do. I love how people of means are so acquainted with what it is like to live with zero resources. Of course it does not matter since republicans do not try to pass legislation that would have any negative affects on themselves. I see you complain when you can't go to any doctor under Obama care. Sucks having limited options like the poor doesn't it. I guess wealthy people should not have to do leg work. You want a poor person to make who knows how many bus transfers so your republican agenda can be adhered to.
    See, the above is class warfare nonsense which dismisses one's ability to have empathy for the poor.

    If obtaining ID required monthly trips to the DMV or a recurring monthly expense of $15, I would agree with you that the very poor might have a problem with it.

    But that's not the case.

    We're talking about a one-time fee of $15. We're talking about a one-time effort to get down to the DMV to get the ID. I have a very hard time believing that anyone, regardless of how poor, could not do both of these things on a one time basis, within a year's time.

    It sounds powerful to say, "$15 seems like nothing to you, but you haven't been dirt poor and don't realize how much money that really can be to someone", but that is complete nonsense. Everyone in the US can afford a one-time $15 fee. This isn't a third-world country where some people make $2.67 per week. In the US, even the poorest people regularly spend sums like $15.

    And again, Republicans are typically not against waiving these ID fees for the very poor, so why do you keep harping on this?

    Look, it's very simple.

    Democrats know that the vast majority of those without ID will vote for their candidates. Even if they know deep down that the voter ID is not violating anyone's rights, and that obtaining ID is not actually burdensome, they will keep claiming that it is denying the rights of minorities and poor people because that's what they have to say in order to fight new voter ID efforts. That's how politics works. You say whatever you have to in order to further your party's interests.

    People claiming that ID is so difficult to obtain are simply grasping at straws. The truth is that most people without ID just don't feel like getting it, for whatever reason. Maybe they are philosophically against ID, maybe they are creatures of habit and don't feel like getting one, and maybe they've already established a lifestyle without one and don't see a need to get it. But the bottom line is that this is a conscious choice, rather than a matter of inaccessibility.

    What is the point of having laws about who can and can't vote, if there is no way to verify the identity of the people voting?

    If you're not going to require ID, we might as well let kids, felons, and duplicate voters show up to the polls. Why have the illusion of, "You can't do this" when in reality all of them actually can if they want to?

    It makes me sick to listen to you try to speak for the poor. You don't have a fucking clue.

    And before you without a doubt defend yourself, you make it seem like you have a clue how easy it is for anyone besides yourself to just "take a day" and head off to the DMV. Poor people are desperate. They don't just have a day to go to the DMV, and of all things spend money while not making any in return. You don't know how good you have it my friend.

    You also try to generalize shit, like anyone can afford 15$. OK, no... First of all it's not just 15$. Are you walking to the DMV? How do you know where the DMV is and how much time and money it takes to get to one? you don't. You're just generalizing shit to help it fit your argument.

     
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