Main event hands

[ShadyJ]

Another hand earlier:

Blinds 100/200
I have QsTs and make it 500. One flatter in late pos, one call from SB.

Flop KhJh3s

I consider check/calling, but both players up against me aren't very aggro and I feel they won't raise me with most holdings, so I'm better off representing a hand for later trapping purposes if I hit.

I fire like 1100, late pos calls, SB folds.

I am thinking in my head, "Offsuit 9 on turn please, offsuit 9 on turn please!"

Turn: 9d



I consider check-raising but my opponent is on the passive side and I'm afraid he won't semi-bluff a flush draw. So I fire 4k into him. He calls.

River: Ah

Awful.

That card sucks for two reasons. It makes the flush, and it scares my opponent in several ways if he DOESN'T have the flush.

I consider value-betting and then folding to a raise, but I am so concerned he was calling down with a flush draw (sure looked like it) that I decided just to check and probably call if he bet.

He immediately checked and turned over KsJs for top 2. Action killer river, for sure, but should I have bet it? I still think check/calling was probably the right play there.

I think c/c is best. b/f is gross and b/c is bad. Depending on opp you could do all 3 its really opp dependent.

[ShawnFanningsLimpDick]

Druff it pains me to say this but you have no No-Limit game at all at the moment and you might as well be lighting $10K on fire. You've posted half-a-dozen hands where you mangled the play horribly and I'm sure there were more. You're still thinking in terms of "trapping" in a hand where as soon as the villain showed strength you folded (Nice trap!). Bet for value, or bet as a bluff, don't "trap". Your opponents aren't good enough that they need to be "trapped". Next year put in some hours playing 1/2 NL before playing the Main Event so that you'll remember how the fish think and play.

[son of lockman]

Same spaz from the hand above makes it 850.

I haven't heard the word ''spaz'' used since before you were born. Where did you learn it?

[Dan Druff]

Earlier 2 tough hands:

I had 21k coming into the final hand before the break. 50/100 blinds. Early position makes it 250, I find AA in the BB. Folds to me, I make it 800, he calls.

Flop: AcQs3c



I bet 1100. He calls.

Turn 5d.

I want to bet here, but I'm thinking the flop call means he has either an ace or flush draw, and my a check looks like I'm waving the white flag with TT/JJ/KK. So I check.



He checks.

River Js.

I bet 4k. He thinks for a minute or two and calls. I show AA, he yells, "FUCK!!! FUCK!!"

Then he turns to his friend (who was ready to walk with him during break) and says, "I had AQ. I could've lost way more."

He then tweeted about the hand, so I'm pretty sure he wasn't lying. (He wasn't aware I was reading his Twitter.)

After the break he told me he was going to re-raise me if I bet the turn. Damn.

Would you have bet that turn or tried for a check-raise?

I'm kinda thinking now that betting would be better, as it would induce a raise from AQ/QQ/33, and he would be committed enough by that raise to call my shove at that point. But on the other hand, if he has a flush draw here and bets it, then I can get him committed in that way, and perhaps if he has a naked A.

Never ever check. You have to much limti holdem in your game your always looking to c/r or raise but nlhe is about value betting and this spot is the absolute nuts to value bet him to death. If you do c/r your hand is face up and he can fold a ton of hands that he would still call a bet with. The only real hand he calls a c/r with is a fl draw so if it hits then u b/f and if it misses u c/c or c/r river.

You're probably right, and this is actually a recent development.

This is because I have incorporated a lot more tricky check-raising into my LHE game in the past 2 years, so I can confuse my opponents to never know whether I'm checking due to weakness or because I'm trying to get them to bet with the worse hand, get raised, and call down because people don't like folding in LHE.

The problem is that people DO like folding in NL, so this style doesn't translate well.

I wasn't doing things like this in 2010 (when I finished 88th) and 2011 (when I finished over 100k first day).

This will be a mistake I won't repeat next year.

[Dan Druff]

Druff it pains me to say this but you have no No-Limit game at all at the moment and you might as well be lighting $10K on fire. You've posted half-a-dozen hands where you mangled the play horribly and I'm sure there were more. You're still thinking in terms of "trapping" in a hand where as soon as the villain showed strength you folded (Nice trap!). Bet for value, or bet as a bluff, don't "trap". Your opponents aren't good enough that they need to be "trapped". Next year put in some hours playing 1/2 NL before playing the Main Event so that you'll remember how the fish think and play.

I know you are trying to help here and not troll, but I think you are being a bit too harsh here.

I posted 6 hands here, but I definitely didn't mangle all of them. There are 3 hands which I think were not played right, and the other three were done correctly, in my opinion.

1) AA vs AQ on AQx board: I should have bet the turn instead of checked in attempt to trap

2) QT (straight) vs KJ (top 2) on board where 3rd heart hit river: Correct. Bet for value the whole way (though if I put him on top 2, which was impossible, I would have bet bigger) and then checked river with intent to call.

3) K7 (BB) on K764 board against 50s-white-guy on button: Correct. After 3-bet-check-raising flop, fold turn when white guy raises my 12k to 25k on seemingly blank 4. Pretty sure he had 66 here. Nothing else makes sense, and watching him play after that confirmed that he was tight and didn't seem to run moves on people.

4) AQ on button vs ?? against aggro kid in BB: I should have either 4-bet pre or just called flop. More importantly, I should have checked behind with the Q turn (then snap-called river), since it was a way ahead/way behind situation.

5) Q8s on button vs loose-aggro spaz Euro, flop 883: I should have shipped the turn, putting him on a naked Ad or AA/AT with Ad -- either way I was ahead, and even if behind I likely had 10 outs.

6) AT vs 55 on AT5 flop (bust hand): Correct. This was a cooler and I didn't have enough chips to fold on the turn, even though the player was older and seemed straightforward. The 9 on the turn made it too possible he had A5/A9/AT and I didn't have enough chips to lay it down.


So while I definitely could have played 3 of these better (especially #5 which would have netted me an extra 50k chips), I didn't mangle 6 out of 6 hands.

[tyde]

of course I'm not 'trolling' , but honestly Todd...

after all these years playing poker, haven't you learned yet that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a fuck about bad beat stories ?

we've all suffered horrible beats and misplayed hands

time to lock it up imo

[Dan Druff]

of course I'm not 'trolling' , but honestly Todd...

after all these years playing poker, haven't you learned yet that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a fuck about bad beat stories ?

we've all suffered horrible beats and misplayed hands

time to lock it up imo

Anyone who hates these threads can just refrain from opening them.

Also, there is very little poker content here, so a thread like this every so often is fine, especially when it's about a major event like the WSOP.

[tony bagadonuts]

of course I'm not 'trolling' , but honestly Todd...

after all these years playing poker, haven't you learned yet that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a fuck about bad beat stories ?

we've all suffered horrible beats and misplayed hands

time to lock it up imo

C'mon guy, there aren't many poker threads on this forum, I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands than bullshit trolling.

You're a better player than you get credit for, so let's hear it son.

[tyde]

of course I'm not 'trolling' , but honestly Todd...

after all these years playing poker, haven't you learned yet that nobody, and I mean NOBODY, gives a fuck about bad beat stories ?

we've all suffered horrible beats and misplayed hands

time to lock it up imo

C'mon guy, there aren't many poker threads on this forum, I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands than bullshit trolling.

You're a better player than you get credit for, so let's hear it son.

wasn't trolling at all

I don't just find hand history discussion all that interesting

I guess it's therapeutic to vent when you get sucked out on, or play a hand questionably...but for the listener, bad beat stories just simply aren't that compelling, or particularly interesting

I suppose I'd do the same thing if I busted out of the main on a bad run of beats

but I'm the point now where I just try to put losing hands behind me and move on to the next one

wasn't there at a guy at the Rio a few years back during the main event that was charging people like 50 bucks to let them bitch about bad beats ? lol I think that dude cleaned up

[tyde]

I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands

ok I surrender

which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?

serve it up Bags

[simpdog]

I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands

ok I surrender

which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?

serve it up Bags

Damn Mexicans are lazy. Pick one of the 6 hands.

[tyde]

i go broke there on the K7 hand.

imo the button is making a play, or has aces, or a set.

and you have nut outs for all of that with the two kings + ace of diamonds.

so fuck him, shove and pray because if you stack up, thats deep run equity.

this is why you continuously reiterate your general disdain for any kind of poker discussion and play Badugi and O8 (on occasion), when you aren't beating off furiously to God knows what kind of sick ass shit

because you're a neanderthal at holdem

nice of you to suddenly become interested in poker discussion though

great timing

do yourself a favor and never play a single hand of NLHE ever again

[tony bagadonuts]

I'm actually more interested in your thoughts on the hands

ok I surrender

which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?

serve it up Bags

Fuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.

[simpdog]

ok I surrender

which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?

serve it up Bags

Fuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.

WOAH Tyde called your bluff tbag. Good read Tyde.

[tyde]

ok I surrender

which hand(s) in particular would you like to discuss ?

serve it up Bags

Fuck if I know dude I didn't read that shit.

ROFL Bags

[tyde]

Druff

this is how you play A/Q

http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...308_74543DAAA1

[tyde]

here's how you play pocket deuces


http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hand...179_28954C449C

[tyde]

lol same guy too

[ShadyJ]

Druff it pains me to say this but you have no No-Limit game at all at the moment and you might as well be lighting $10K on fire. You've posted half-a-dozen hands where you mangled the play horribly and I'm sure there were more. You're still thinking in terms of "trapping" in a hand where as soon as the villain showed strength you folded (Nice trap!). Bet for value, or bet as a bluff, don't "trap". Your opponents aren't good enough that they need to be "trapped". Next year put in some hours playing 1/2 NL before playing the Main Event so that you'll remember how the fish think and play.

I know you are trying to help here and not troll, but I think you are being a bit too harsh here.

I posted 6 hands here, but I definitely didn't mangle all of them. There are 3 hands which I think were not played right, and the other three were done correctly, in my opinion.

1) AA vs AQ on AQx board: I should have bet the turn instead of checked in attempt to trap Yes

2) QT (straight) vs KJ (top 2) on board where 3rd heart hit river: Correct. Bet for value the whole way (though if I put him on top 2, which was impossible, I would have bet bigger) and then checked river with intent to call. Dont remember this one

3) K7 (BB) on K764 board against 50s-white-guy on button: Correct. After 3-bet-check-raising flop, fold turn when white guy raises my 12k to 25k on seemingly blank 4. Pretty sure he had 66 here. Nothing else makes sense, and watching him play after that confirmed that he was tight and didn't seem to run moves on people. Agreed

4) AQ on button vs ?? against aggro kid in BB: I should have either 4-bet pre or just called flop. More importantly, I should have checked behind with the Q turn (then snap-called river), since it was a way ahead/way behind situation. Yes but I dont think you have to check behind turn unless your not calling a raise. Checking behind and calling river is better then b/f turn

5) Q8s on button vs loose-aggro spaz Euro, flop 883: I should have shipped the turn, putting him on a naked Ad or AA/AT with Ad -- either way I was ahead, and even if behind I likely had 10 outs. Im ok with calling to keep his bluffs in. I think shoving here is correct only because we know his hand. The one thing I didnt think of until after I posted sometimes weak passive fish will lead a small flush there because they dont want to see a 4th diamond, so if you call and a d hits you can turn your hand into a bluff against the right opponent. fyi dont do it in low stakes cash because they wont fold theyd rather call and show how they were ahead then fold.

6) AT vs 55 on AT5 flop (bust hand): Correct. This was a cooler and I didn't have enough chips to fold on the turn, even though the player was older and seemed straightforward. The 9 on the turn made it too possible he had A5/A9/AT and I didn't have enough chips to lay it down. Super standard


So while I definitely could have played 3 of these better (especially #5 which would have netted me an extra 50k chips), I didn't mangle 6 out of 6 hands.

If I had to rate which hand you played the worst it would be #4. You really butchered it especially when you folded.

[GrenadaRoger]

I've had 4 difficult hands this day 1.

Here are 2 that happened in the past hour. I don't think anyone at the table reads this forum, and the day is just 2 hours away from being over, so fuck it.

Hand #1:
BB with Kd7d
150/300/25
50k stack

UTG makes it 700. 2 cold callers. You call 400.

Flop Kc7s6c
You check
UTG bets 1400
Cutoff folds
Button (white guy, 50s with about 70k) makes it 3200
You re-pop to 8k
UTG grimaces and folds after thinking
Button calls

Turn 4d
You bet 12k
Button makes it 25k

You have 29k behind.

??????

flop re raise for 8k was wrong...either call, shove or fold...calling keeps pot small enough to get away cheap later, but raise to 8k bloats pot and puts a lot of your stack in.....if i though utg is predictable, button probably does too and could be making a move...trip sixes possible, but so is K6, 9c8c, 5c4c, enough range to consider a shove....