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    Quote Originally Posted by vegas1369;215883[QUOTE

    Not only did I know this would be your answer, but I also had a strong suspicion you would tie yourself in to having some "inside" info because of your Chicago connections...lol

    Oswald acted alone, he was the lone gunman. Whether or not he was influenced by the Russians/Cubans or some other communist organization is definitely debatable, but in the end will never be proven. Unfortunately Ruby robbed the world of ever having a chance of knowing the truth on this issue. One thing is for sure, Oswald was a crackpot and no evidence whatsoever points to anyone else shooting the president.

    Ruby also acted alone, and even admitted so on his deathbed. He simply wanted to be the guy that killed the guy that killed the president, and foolishly thought this would make him a hero in Americas eyes. Chicago had nothing to do with it.
    Couple things I've thought for a while now. The Warren commission was a failure. A new attempt to discover the truth should be made utilizing today's technology but most of the "players" are likely long dead and the money it would take to open it all up again could be spent in many more worthwhile ways.

    I believe Lee Oswald did not act alone and that's why I think he was not the lone gunman.
    Why leave such a momentous effort to one man, considering the distance involved in the shooting, the moving target etc?

    Ruby may well have acted alone but he was no saint from what I've heard. If Oswald was "meant" to be caught, then getting rid of him would certainly make sense.

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    I'll never forget driving over to the Sands with Frank & Angie as we heard the news on my car radio.

    Frank's face went pale and started mumbling something about Lucky Luciano & Momo Giancana still being upset with him for failing to deliver Kennedy to them after the election.

    We still went to the bar to meet Sammy & Dean as was out habit prior to the show. But the look on their faces told me they "knew who done it".

    Damn I miss my '63 Belvedere. I hate talking about the assassination because it always reminds me of that car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shea View Post
    Couple things I've thought for a while now. The Warren commission was a failure. A new attempt to discover the truth should be made utilizing today's technology but most of the "players" are likely long dead and the money it would take to open it all up again could be spent in many more worthwhile ways.

    I believe Lee Oswald did not act alone and that's why I think he was not the lone gunman.
    Why leave such a momentous effort to one man, considering the distance involved in the shooting, the moving target etc?

    Ruby may well have acted alone but he was no saint from what I've heard. If Oswald was "meant" to be caught, then getting rid of him would certainly make sense.
    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
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    I'd say good luck in the freeroll but I'm pretty sure you'll go on a bender to self-sabotage yourself & miss it completely or use it as the excuse of why you didn't cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shea View Post
    Couple things I've thought for a while now. The Warren commission was a failure. A new attempt to discover the truth should be made utilizing today's technology but most of the "players" are likely long dead and the money it would take to open it all up again could be spent in many more worthwhile ways.

    I believe Lee Oswald did not act alone and that's why I think he was not the lone gunman.
    Why leave such a momentous effort to one man, considering the distance involved in the shooting, the moving target etc?

    Ruby may well have acted alone but he was no saint from what I've heard. If Oswald was "meant" to be caught, then getting rid of him would certainly make sense.
    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shea View Post
    Couple things I've thought for a while now. The Warren commission was a failure. A new attempt to discover the truth should be made utilizing today's technology but most of the "players" are likely long dead and the money it would take to open it all up again could be spent in many more worthwhile ways.

    I believe Lee Oswald did not act alone and that's why I think he was not the lone gunman.
    Why leave such a momentous effort to one man, considering the distance involved in the shooting, the moving target etc?

    Ruby may well have acted alone but he was no saint from what I've heard. If Oswald was "meant" to be caught, then getting rid of him would certainly make sense.
    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    from the pictures and movies they show Secret Service agents walking behind the car, this photo might have been taken close to the angle Oswald had
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    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    I hate getting into these 'how many angels can you fit on the head of a pin' arguments, but he had training after the military, and even if he hadn't, being a mediocre shot doesn't mean you automatically miss that shot, even when quickly reloading. Not that anyone would have lived after the first round anyway. To me a not very good marksman means he aimed for center mass and he hit him in the face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
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    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    My comment was really only about the distance. Anybody who tries to claim that's a tough shot(the first shot that killed him) is fucked in the head. I'm sure I'd be considered a terrible shot by military standards & don't handle rifles on a consistent basis but with a rifle with good sights I'd hit the target on my first shot every time from that distance.

    He never really hit anything he was aiming for with the other shots, it doesn't matter because JFK was dead with the first one, so what difference does it make "in the time they were shot" or the gun was "for a lefty"? It's been proven countless times that it was easily doable to shoot that many shots in that timeframe even with a wrong handed gun. The aim will suffer but WTF difference does it make when the first shot was all that was needed?
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    I'd say good luck in the freeroll but I'm pretty sure you'll go on a bender to self-sabotage yourself & miss it completely or use it as the excuse of why you didn't cash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
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    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    My comment was really only about the distance. Anybody who tries to claim that's a tough shot(the first shot that killed him) is fucked in the head. I'm sure I'd be considered a terrible shot by military standards & don't handle rifles on a consistent basis but with a rifle with good sights I'd hit the target on my first shot every time from that distance.

    He never really hit anything he was aiming for with the other shots, it doesn't matter because JFK was dead with the first one, so what difference does it make "in the time they were shot" or the gun was "for a lefty"? It's been proven countless times that it was easily doable to shoot that many shots in that timeframe even with a wrong handed gun. The aim will suffer but WTF difference does it make when the first shot was all that was needed?
    The sequence of events and amount of shots fired in the time outlined in the Warren report illustrate flaws in the "official" story.

    FTR, I believe Oswald intended to kill the president but didn't act on his own. Any scenario where Oswald didn't act alone = conspiracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
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    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    Oswald was a good shot and the gun was right handed. Still no man has ever dupicated those shots that day. Which should mean that several others were involved.

    Half of Kennedy's head was blown away in the back and straight shots like Oswald was making don't do that. They leave much smaller entrance wounds and massive exit wounds. That shot came from an angle. Where the grassy knowl was. And where 60% of the people turned to look after they heard the gunfire. Kennedy's head is also seen lurking backwards. A rear shot wouldn't do that.

    And the magic bullet. Never in my life have I ever retrived a fired bullet and not seen a mark on it. Something is incredible about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post
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    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    My comment was really only about the distance. Anybody who tries to claim that's a tough shot(the first shot that killed him) is fucked in the head. I'm sure I'd be considered a terrible shot by military standards & don't handle rifles on a consistent basis but with a rifle with good sights I'd hit the target on my first shot every time from that distance.

    He never really hit anything he was aiming for with the other shots, it doesn't matter because JFK was dead with the first one, so what difference does it make "in the time they were shot" or the gun was "for a lefty"? It's been proven countless times that it was easily doable to shoot that many shots in that timeframe even with a wrong handed gun. The aim will suffer but WTF difference does it make when the first shot was all that was needed?
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it was the third of three or more shots that killed Kennedy.

    Oswald apparently missed everything with his first shot. An air ball.

    "(a) Scientific analysis


    In investigating this aspect of the case, the committee relied heavily on the scientific analysis of physical evidence, and again the conclusions of the forensic pathology panel were relevant. The panel concluded that the two bullets that struck the President came from behind and that the fatal head shot was moving in a downward direction when it struck the President. (53) 7 Thus, forensic pathology provided reliable
    able evidence as to the origin of the shots: The gunman who fired the shot that hit President Kennedy and Governor Connally at approximately frame 190 of the Zapruder film fired from behind, and the gunman who fired the shot that hit the President in the head at frame 312 was positioned above and to the rear of the presidential limousine. "

    "The strongest element in the case against Lee Harvey Oswald was the Warren Commission's conclusion that his rifle had been found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository building. Yet Oswald never owned a 7.65 Mauser. When the FBI later reported that Oswald had purchased only a 6.5 Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, the weapon at police headquarters in Dallas miraculously changed its size, its make and its nationality. The Warren Commission concluded that a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, not a 7.65 German Mauser, had been discovered by the Dallas deputies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LLL View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Hockey Guy View Post

    Have you ever been to the site of the assassination? It's fucking tiny & way smaller than I ever imagined.

    I'm not even any kind of markman/hunter but I'd make that shot 10 times out of 10 as long as the gun sights were true. Seriously.

    It's not like the vehicle was going very fast. The route the vehicle was on prevented that.
    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    Huh? Lefty? with the bolt on the right side? how? the shells eject to the right side (a left handed shooter would have the ejected shells hit him)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shea View Post
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    My comment was really only about the distance. Anybody who tries to claim that's a tough shot(the first shot that killed him) is fucked in the head. I'm sure I'd be considered a terrible shot by military standards & don't handle rifles on a consistent basis but with a rifle with good sights I'd hit the target on my first shot every time from that distance.

    He never really hit anything he was aiming for with the other shots, it doesn't matter because JFK was dead with the first one, so what difference does it make "in the time they were shot" or the gun was "for a lefty"? It's been proven countless times that it was easily doable to shoot that many shots in that timeframe even with a wrong handed gun. The aim will suffer but WTF difference does it make when the first shot was all that was needed?
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it was the third of three or more shots that killed Kennedy.

    Oswald apparently missed everything with his first shot. An air ball.

    "(a) Scientific analysis


    In investigating this aspect of the case, the committee relied heavily on the scientific analysis of physical evidence, and again the conclusions of the forensic pathology panel were relevant. The panel concluded that the two bullets that struck the President came from behind and that the fatal head shot was moving in a downward direction when it struck the President. (53) 7 Thus, forensic pathology provided reliable
    able evidence as to the origin of the shots: The gunman who fired the shot that hit President Kennedy and Governor Connally at approximately frame 190 of the Zapruder film fired from behind, and the gunman who fired the shot that hit the President in the head at frame 312 was positioned above and to the rear of the presidential limousine. "

    "The strongest element in the case against Lee Harvey Oswald was the Warren Commission's conclusion that his rifle had been found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository building. Yet Oswald never owned a 7.65 Mauser. When the FBI later reported that Oswald had purchased only a 6.5 Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, the weapon at police headquarters in Dallas miraculously changed its size, its make and its nationality. The Warren Commission concluded that a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, not a 7.65 German Mauser, had been discovered by the Dallas deputies."

    the distance of the first shot was 85 yards, with a scope and a bolt action rifle providing lower recoil (as opposed to a semi-auto), an easy shot imho...also, even thought the target was moving, the target was moving away in a straight line, so little adjust/correction was needed by Oswald to keep his aim on target...again an easy shot...Oswald, as his military record indicates and was noted in the Warren Commission report, was a good shot when he was motivated In qualifying as a Marine, Oswald would have been tested at 200, 300 and 500 yards with a M-1 rifle, he qualified as sharpshooter when he knew he would get bonus pay for doing so and he had not yet decided to leave the service...the M-1, because it is a semi-auto has more recoil that an bolt action rifle--the energy from the firing is recycled back into the rifle to chamber the next round--that results in more recoil when firing and less accuracy at distance...the bolt action rifle exhausts much of the firing energy and thus is steadier (the next round is chambered by the shooter operating the bolt).

    per the Discovery Channel analysis

    "One shot hit the president at the base of his neck. The bullet traveled through his neck and out through the base of his throat. Another shot hit the president in the back of his head. This was the fatal bullet. The assassin had fired three shots in just a few seconds -- estimates range from around four to eight seconds"


    indeed, the third shot (second to hit Kennedy) was a coup de gras fatal one, but the first shot had hit Kennedy's spinal cord woudl have caused permanent paralysis and probably would have led to death also

    page 82 of the Warren Commission Report

    Description of Rifle

    The bolt-action, clip-fed rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository, described more fully in appendix X, is inscribed with various markings, including "MADE ITALY," "CAL. 6.5," "1940" and the number C2766.126 (See Commission Exhibit Nos. 1303, 541(2) and 541 (3), pp. 82-83.) These markings have been explained as follows: "MADE ITALY" refers to its origin; "CAL. 6.5" refers to the rifle's caliber; "1940" refers to the year of manufacture; and the number C2766 is the serial number. This rifle is the only one of its type bearing that serial number.127 After review of standard reference works and the markings on the rifle, it was identified by the FBI as a 6.5-millimeter model 91/38 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.128 Experts from the FBI made an independent determination of the caliber by inserting a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter cartridge into the weapon for fit, and by making a sulfur cast of the inside of the weapon's barrel and measuring the cast with a micrometer.129 From outward appearance, the weapon would appear to be a 7.35-millimeter rifle, but its mechanism had been rebarreled with a 6.5-millimeter barrel.130 Constable Deputy Sheriff Weitzman, who only saw the rifle at a glance and did not handle it, thought the weapon looked like a 7.65 Mauser bolt-action rifle.131 (See chapter V, p. 235.)
    Thus, the Commission addressed the 7.65 Mauser v 6.5 Carcano matter....

    Also, within 24 hours of finding the rifle on the 6th floor, the FBI had traced it to its manufacturer/assembler in Brooklyn, it's mail order sale by Klein Sporting Goods of Chicago to A. Hidel of Texas (A Hidel, alias of Oswald)
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    Quote Originally Posted by son of lockman View Post
    Still no man has ever dupicated those shots that day. Which should mean that several others were involved.
    Dude! Seriously, do you ever research anything before spewing out more nonsense? It has been duplicated successfully countless times!

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    Here Sonny, do some reading...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F....sination_rifle

    CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. Oswald's rifle was not used in this test. The targets were color-coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%).

    Quote Originally Posted by son of lockman View Post
    Still no man has ever dupicated those shots that day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son of lockman View Post

    Yeah I know I was the only one around here then. Delaware was also until all you bums chased him away. Times were better then and kids brought up better. Get whipped with the belt when you did something wrong. Or have your mouth washed out with Ajax when you cussed.
    ahhhhh, the good old days. nothing says power like making your child gargle w/ ajax as a punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegas1369 View Post
    Here Sonny, do some reading...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F....sination_rifle

    CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. Oswald's rifle was not used in this test. The targets were color-coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%).

    Quote Originally Posted by son of lockman View Post
    Still no man has ever dupicated those shots that day.
    The Warren Commission allowed that from first to last shot, 8.3 seconds might have passed...also the Warren Commission concluded that while 3 shots were most likely fired, is was possible only 2 shots were fired by Oswald...contributing significantly to the 3 shot conclusion were 3 spent cartridges found on the 6th floor of the Depository, although it was allowed that the first cartridge ejected could have been an empty casing kept in the chamber by Oswald for the sole purpose of keeping the chamber clean and dust free with no risk of accidental firing...thus, prior to firing Oswald may have ejected the empty cartridge many seconds before firing the first of two live cartridges and would have had up to 8.3 seconds to fire the 2nd shot
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrenadaRoger View Post
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    Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it was the third of three or more shots that killed Kennedy.

    Oswald apparently missed everything with his first shot. An air ball.

    "(a) Scientific analysis


    In investigating this aspect of the case, the committee relied heavily on the scientific analysis of physical evidence, and again the conclusions of the forensic pathology panel were relevant. The panel concluded that the two bullets that struck the President came from behind and that the fatal head shot was moving in a downward direction when it struck the President. (53) 7 Thus, forensic pathology provided reliable
    able evidence as to the origin of the shots: The gunman who fired the shot that hit President Kennedy and Governor Connally at approximately frame 190 of the Zapruder film fired from behind, and the gunman who fired the shot that hit the President in the head at frame 312 was positioned above and to the rear of the presidential limousine. "

    "The strongest element in the case against Lee Harvey Oswald was the Warren Commission's conclusion that his rifle had been found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository building. Yet Oswald never owned a 7.65 Mauser. When the FBI later reported that Oswald had purchased only a 6.5 Italian Mannlicher-Carcano, the weapon at police headquarters in Dallas miraculously changed its size, its make and its nationality. The Warren Commission concluded that a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano, not a 7.65 German Mauser, had been discovered by the Dallas deputies."

    the distance of the first shot was 85 yards, with a scope and a bolt action rifle providing lower recoil (as opposed to a semi-auto), an easy shot imho

    per the Discovery Channel analysis

    "One shot hit the president at the base of his neck. The bullet traveled through his neck and out through the base of his throat. Another shot hit the president in the back of his head. This was the fatal bullet. The assassin had fired three shots in just a few seconds -- estimates range from around four to eight seconds"


    indeed, the third shot (second to hit Kennedy) was a coup de gras fatal one, but the first shot had hit Kennedy's spinal cord woudl have caused permanent paralysis and probably would have led to death also

    page 82 of the Warren Commission Report

    Description of Rifle

    The bolt-action, clip-fed rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository, described more fully in appendix X, is inscribed with various markings, including "MADE ITALY," "CAL. 6.5," "1940" and the number C2766.126 (See Commission Exhibit Nos. 1303, 541(2) and 541 (3), pp. 82-83.) These markings have been explained as follows: "MADE ITALY" refers to its origin; "CAL. 6.5" refers to the rifle's caliber; "1940" refers to the year of manufacture; and the number C2766 is the serial number. This rifle is the only one of its type bearing that serial number.127 After review of standard reference works and the markings on the rifle, it was identified by the FBI as a 6.5-millimeter model 91/38 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.128 Experts from the FBI made an independent determination of the caliber by inserting a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter cartridge into the weapon for fit, and by making a sulfur cast of the inside of the weapon's barrel and measuring the cast with a micrometer.129 From outward appearance, the weapon would appear to be a 7.35-millimeter rifle, but its mechanism had been rebarreled with a 6.5-millimeter barrel.130 Constable Deputy Sheriff Weitzman, who only saw the rifle at a glance and did not handle it, thought the weapon looked like a 7.65 Mauser bolt-action rifle.131 (See chapter V, p. 235.)
    Thus, the Commission addressed the 7.65 Mauser v 6.5 Carcano matter....

    Also, within 24 hours of finding the rifle on the 6th floor, the FBI had traced it to its manufacturer/assembler in Brooklyn, it's mail order sale by Klein Sporting Goods of Chicago to A. Hidel of Texas (A Hidel, alias of Oswald)
    Honestly, the Warren Commission has been regarded as a farce by most so I wouldn't bother qouting anything from it. A normally easy shot becomes a lot more difficult when you are President hunting as evidenced by Oswald missing everything with his first shot.
    I'm certainly on board with Oswald participating and maybe responsible for the fatal shot
    but he was clearly off his rocker and there is so much anecdotal evidence that more than three shots were fired.

    People on the scene not only heard the evidence, there were many who
    smelled the evidence in the form of gunpowder and that smell isn't travelling
    from the sixth floor to street level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by son of lockman View Post
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    It's the amount of shots in the time they were shot. Oswald wasn't a good marksman based on military records and he was using a gun fit for a lefty.
    Oswald was a good shot and the gun was right handed. Still no man has ever dupicated those shots that day. Which should mean that several others were involved.

    Half of Kennedy's head was blown away in the back and straight shots like Oswald was making don't do that. They leave much smaller entrance wounds and massive exit wounds. That shot came from an angle. Where the grassy knowl was. And where 60% of the people turned to look after they heard the gunfire. Kennedy's head is also seen lurking backwards. A rear shot wouldn't do that.

    And the magic bullet. Never in my life have I ever retrived a fired bullet and not seen a mark on it. Something is incredible about that.
    Nonsense. Have you been on the tour? The 6th floor of the book depository was exactly perfect for the shot, which wasn't tough for a trained marksman which Oswald was.

    Did many people have motivation to kill Kennedy? Of course, but motivation alone does not make it so.

    A conspiracy of this magnitude would have too many moving parts, a Rube Goldberg device.

    Too many people would have to have been involved which means a lot of potential loose lips.

    In the end, there are just anecdotes like what you presented in your earlier post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick O'Shea View Post
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    the distance of the first shot was 85 yards, with a scope and a bolt action rifle providing lower recoil (as opposed to a semi-auto), an easy shot imho

    per the Discovery Channel analysis

    "One shot hit the president at the base of his neck. The bullet traveled through his neck and out through the base of his throat. Another shot hit the president in the back of his head. This was the fatal bullet. The assassin had fired three shots in just a few seconds -- estimates range from around four to eight seconds"


    indeed, the third shot (second to hit Kennedy) was a coup de gras fatal one, but the first shot had hit Kennedy's spinal cord woudl have caused permanent paralysis and probably would have led to death also

    page 82 of the Warren Commission Report

    Description of Rifle

    The bolt-action, clip-fed rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository, described more fully in appendix X, is inscribed with various markings, including "MADE ITALY," "CAL. 6.5," "1940" and the number C2766.126 (See Commission Exhibit Nos. 1303, 541(2) and 541 (3), pp. 82-83.) These markings have been explained as follows: "MADE ITALY" refers to its origin; "CAL. 6.5" refers to the rifle's caliber; "1940" refers to the year of manufacture; and the number C2766 is the serial number. This rifle is the only one of its type bearing that serial number.127 After review of standard reference works and the markings on the rifle, it was identified by the FBI as a 6.5-millimeter model 91/38 Mannlicher-Carcano rifle.128 Experts from the FBI made an independent determination of the caliber by inserting a Mannlicher-Carcano 6.5-millimeter cartridge into the weapon for fit, and by making a sulfur cast of the inside of the weapon's barrel and measuring the cast with a micrometer.129 From outward appearance, the weapon would appear to be a 7.35-millimeter rifle, but its mechanism had been rebarreled with a 6.5-millimeter barrel.130 Constable Deputy Sheriff Weitzman, who only saw the rifle at a glance and did not handle it, thought the weapon looked like a 7.65 Mauser bolt-action rifle.131 (See chapter V, p. 235.)
    Thus, the Commission addressed the 7.65 Mauser v 6.5 Carcano matter....

    Also, within 24 hours of finding the rifle on the 6th floor, the FBI had traced it to its manufacturer/assembler in Brooklyn, it's mail order sale by Klein Sporting Goods of Chicago to A. Hidel of Texas (A Hidel, alias of Oswald)
    Honestly, the Warren Commission has been regarded as a farce by most so I wouldn't bother qouting anything from it. A normally easy shot becomes a lot more difficult when you are President hunting as evidenced by Oswald missing everything with his first shot.
    I'm certainly on board with Oswald participating and maybe responsible for the fatal shot
    but he was clearly off his rocker and there is so much anecdotal evidence that more than three shots were fired.

    People on the scene not only heard the evidence, there were many who
    smelled the evidence in the form of gunpowder and that smell isn't travelling
    from the sixth floor to street level.

    I've read the Warren Commission report entirely....most people haven't and i strongly suspect you haven't either...so i would not cite "most people's opinion" as a very convincing arguement (hell, a lot of people haven't read a book of any kind since leaving high school)

    the report was not the product of a hand picked 10 man committee of politicians as a lot of people think...the report was put together by a large staff of professionals and the data collected by the staff was extensive and analyzed completely through by an army of investigators and attornies (over 100) who were supported by a similar number of administrative workers...that staff was hired and its work overseen by the 10 man committee who approved the final report...the crime scene analysis was very convincing imho...

    as for smelling gunpowder at street level, that is often cited as evidence that Secret Service Agent George Hickey accidently fired the shot that split open Kennedy's skull...Hickey was riding in the car behind Kennedy and there are pictures of him holding an assult rifle after Kennedy was first hit...the theroy is that in picking up the assult rifle after hearing the first shot, Hickey accidentally discharged his rifle and that bullet struck Kennedy...the actions of the Secret Service afterward preventing an autopsy at Parkland Hospital and the interference with autopsy performed in Washington by two inexperienced military surgeons give rise to speculation of a cover up of Hickey being an accidental shooter...Hickey, who died about 10 years ago, always denied shooting as have the Secret Service
    Last edited by GrenadaRoger; 11-27-2013 at 03:31 AM.
    (long before there was a PFA i had my Grenade & Crossbones avatar at DD)

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